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Obama forms an exploratory committee...a run for the presidency next?
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Man this thread has really devolved.
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Man of Knowledge said:
What is your problem? That doesn't make him a bigot at all. What it shows is that he has a clear, consise and 100% correct view of church and state. The Bible is not the law of the land in this country. Morally and from a religious standpoint I have a problem with abortion, but from a political standpoint I support it to a certain extent. Because, once again, the Bible is not the Constitution of the US. The Constitution is the Constitution of the US
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Man of Knowledge said:
So because he's religious he's a bad choice. Give me a great. Man of Knowledge? More like closed minded...nevermind
GAF...
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Cheebs said:
This is something I can't get many Christians I know to understand. I'll never forget my time at a Christian private school. I was homeschooled at the time, but I played for their basketball team and also took a science class there. Anyway in around 7th grade I was hanging out with some guys on the team and we walked into the history teacher's classroom. School had been over for about an hour but the teacher was still in the room doing some work. I noticed George Bush posters were all over the walls alongside those of Lincoln, Washington, etc.
So I jokingly asked why his pic was on the wall considering it was a history class and sort was showed bias. At that point the teacher raised her head and said "because President Bush is a good, Christian man". At that point it seemed like a line had been crossed, and everyone in the room was on the other side. Randomly people started asking me questions about politics lol, the teacher and my fellow 7th/8th graders.
Joshua #1: You liked Gore?
Phoenix: Yeah, over Bush I guess
John: How come black people don't like President Bush?
Phoenix: Uh...
Noah: lol fuzzy math
Joshua #2: You're supposed to like President Bush though, he's a Christian
Then BAM. Gauntlet thrown down:
Teacher: Do you support abortion?
Phoenix: If we outlaw it the problem will get worse though
Teacher: Do you know exactly what abortion is?
Phoenix: Yes
Teacher: Maybe you should talk to Mr. Adams [school principle] about this and he can show you what abortion is
Now if someone said that to me today ("let me show you what abortion is"), I'd take it as a threat on my life lol. But as a dumb 7th grader I laughed it off, and left the classroom lol with my life. But after that news spread pretty quickly that I didn't like "President Bush"
It was funny though because all the black kids at the school (IE, 4 including me) didn't like Bush, and we were all far less fanatical than the white students. Today it's interesting for me to look back on that time and think about all the things that I simply didn't understand/see happening because of my age and wanting to hang out/have friends/etc
African American approval rating of Bush was 2% back uh like in 2005. His approval overall has fallen since then, I wonder if African American approval is enough to round down to 0% now.
But I had similar experiences in the Lutheran High School I went to. I was in a math honors class a year ahead of my grade and had an A and had something like this happened:
Kid 1: My dad and I went to a Bush rally last night.
Me: Oh? My dad took me to a Kerry one last week, it was cool
Teacher: Kerry? Jake, I am very disappointed in you. I thought you were a smart student. I thought you were better than that, you should know to trust a good Christian man.
But I had similar experiences in the Lutheran High School I went to. I was in a math honors class a year ahead of my grade and had an A and had something like this happened:
Kid 1: My dad and I went to a Bush rally last night.
Me: Oh? My dad took me to a Kerry one last week, it was cool
Teacher: Kerry? Jake, I am very disappointed in you. I thought you were a smart student. I thought you were better than that, you should know to trust a good Christian man.
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Cheebs said:
I know about 10 black Republicans:lol
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Cheebs said:
I can see maybe 1 being interested in him, but he's a hardcore republican. The other 9 wouldn't because of his stance on abortion/gay marriage lol.
LOL the day after the 2004 elections the entire college was pretty downbeat. I happened to see one of my friends (black republican chick, long dress and all) and asked her who she voted for. She said Bush, as I expected. So we're walking and we pass by this group of black people talking loudly about the election and one blurts out "we ****ed, man. we ****ed." So my friend stop and says "things will be fine I think. I voted for Bush..." and the dude is like "**** you lady":lol
I wanted to bust out laughing but I couldn't because she started crying and went home:lol
teruterubozu
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He admits he inhaled...and snorted too.
Oh yeah!
Oh yeah!
soundwave05
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He probably won't get many votes in the South ... then again, not like the Democrats would win any of those states anyway.
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JayDubya said:
Tell us what you really mean!
DeathbyVolcano
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Man of Knowledge said:
What the hell man.
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And see, I do believe in God, but whenever the Big Man makes his way into politics it becomes something a republic should never be based off of. Any candidate that tries his or her best to convey this while still sticking to their moral instincts and values is fine by me.
He's getting my vote.
He's getting my vote.
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BrandNew said:
I agree. Christianity, as well as Islam and many other religions, are deeply rooted in a set of sound moral judgement that I think can translate well to politics. And when I talk about morals I'm not referring to abortion. I'm talking more about honesty and things like that. Obviously one doesn't have to be religious to have those morals, but I like seeing religous people who are sound and firm on their beliefs. For all his failings as a president, Jimmy Carter was (and still is) a good man.
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I feel bad for him I hope he can take the heat
I'll vote for him though
I'll vote for him though
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Smiles and Cries said:
Really the only "heat" he's going to take is from some mostly conservative and (along with it) Republican states, but this next election is going to be so critical in terms of existing public opinion that this "heat" will probably be only a small factor. I can see some misinformed citizens being swayed to the other spectrum simply because of his name, which is unfortunate, but I'd like to think that the educated public is smart enough to realize what an effective politician he is.
And the fact that he's black...I guess some southernes will hate it, but I truly believe we're at the point where people are THAT sick of a current administration hat they'll vote the other way in spite. Just to say "well ****, let's try these guys."
America wasn't founded on christianity and wasn't even predominantly christian at the time, but the Second Great Awakening in the early 19th century did do a great deal get the majority of americans to be actively christian. The climate today is far different than it ever was in the late 18th century, so using Jefferson as an example doesn't apply.
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Diablos said:Dunno how strong of an indicator that is for the rest of the country, but hey, that's quite an improvement for a Senator who is widely perceived by many to be an evil liberal
Considering the fact that all she has to do is flip 100K votes in Ohio, she definately has a shot.
Problem is - there's absolutely no way in hell she escapes the DEM primary.
PhoenixDark said:
Wait, so you were bad *because* you didn't vote for Bush?
I'm from such a liberal part of the country the buildup was confusing to me at first.
Man, that sounds kind of scary. And I don't mean just because it's republican. I realize they're seventh graders, but the teacher said that you should like him because he is a 'good christian man'.
During college I kind of wanted to get out of my liberal bubble as I became more aware of it. It would be interesting to be put in that situation as an adult.
NY is one thing, Ohio, Florida and the like is a entirely different ballgameDiablos said:One interesting thing to note about Hillary:
Dunno how strong of an indicator that is for the rest of the country, but hey, that's quite an improvement for a Senator who is widely perceived by many to be an evil liberal
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