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avatar299 said:
for one, many of them are not white. Especially final fantasy.
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:lol the only FF i can think of with somewhat asian characters is FFX. Tidus looks like he is mixed and Wakka is the only one that is clearly asian.
 
Dark Octave said:
When was the last time you saw a blonde haired blue eyed Japanese person? They are usually supossed to be a hybrid of Japanese and white.
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So your excuse is Cloud. Are you serious?


Cloud's initial design was 'all back' slicked back hair, nothing spiky. To make him stand out more and have the 'image' of being protagonist, Nomura revised his hair to be pointy and bright blonde. The major antagonist Sephiroth, was also made to be a complete contrast with original Cloud. Sephiroth's design basis was 'Long Coat' and long silver hair.


http://flaregamer.com/b2article.php?p=81&more=1

Wow, an Asian designer original vision was an Asian main character. huh who would have imagined. Cloud was blonde because it made him stand out in a dark game, and SE was new with the technology.

But hey i'll give you cloud. What about Locke, kain, Squall, Vann? Those are all blond haired and blue eyed?


Yoshitaka Amano and Tetsuya Nomura are the 2 biggest art designers for Final fantasy entire history. Do yourself a favor and look them up before you make yourself look more like a fool.
 
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Tamanon said:
I don't believe that FOX news is conservative at all, I believe they are Republican. And I think you actually proved my own point with the whole John McCain/Ron Paul thing.

Again though, the FOX was brought up because you for some reason said that only Hillary/Obama supporters cared.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this point. FOX News is almost certainly conservative in bias. The fact that they (Hannity, the Weekly Standard morons, O'Reily, Cavuto, Coulter... etc) backed Romney, who tried to portray himself as the mainstream conservative candidate coroborates this. I'm pretty sure they covet the "Conservative" label, much more than the "Republican" label.
 
avatar299 said:
or are black people just not doing anything in the industry, and blaming white/asian people for not representing them?

Black people aren't represented in games, because they are not making them. That is not evidence of subconscious racism among 18-35 American consumers.
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I work in the industry and we have a lot of black people at my place.

Also search for "Unforgivabke" on youtube wildly creative and funny.
 
Welp, Pastorgate has made it's mark. Congratulations America, you get everything you deserve.

Edit: wait, that's pre-speech - still stupid but I'll withhold judgment until we can see the full effect.
 
SRG01 said:
Christ Almighty.
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Thank Fox News and the Republicans for that. The one thing Obama left out of his speech and one which is crucial, is asking the question of Americans: if you have a friend, family member, or co-worker who you heard directly or heard from other sources had made racial or anti-american remarks, what would you do? Do you disown them and have nothing to do with them? Or do you correct them, try to understand where their resentment came from, and live your life as an example of how your life doesn't have to be ruled by such things.

It would have been interesting to hear what those fair and balanced Fox News folks would say to that.

Their would either be a lot of backtracking and moving on to another subject or the hypocrisy would be ever so stifling.
 
ColdDeckEd said:
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this point. FOX News is almost certainly conservative in bias. The fact that they (Hannity, the Weekly Standard morons, O'Reily, Cavuto, Coulter... etc) backed Romney, who tried to portray himself as the mainstream conservative candidate coroborates this. I'm pretty sure they covet the "Conservative" label, much more than the "Republican" label.
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I think Tamanon is referencing the traditional and apparently obsolete definition of conservative: small government, fiscal responsibility, etc.
 
avatar299 said:
So your excuse is Cloud. Are you serious?


Cloud's initial design was 'all back' slicked back hair, nothing spiky. To make him stand out more and have the 'image' of being protagonist, Nomura revised his hair to be pointy and bright blonde. The major antagonist Sephiroth, was also made to be a complete contrast with original Cloud. Sephiroth's design basis was 'Long Coat' and long silver hair.


http://flaregamer.com/b2article.php?p=81&more=1

Wow, an Asian designer original vision was an Asian main character. huh who would have imagined. Cloud was blonde because it made him stand out in a dark game, and SE was new with the technology.

But hey i'll give you cloud. What about Locke, kain, Squall, Vann? Those are all blond haired and blue eyed?


Yoshitaka Amano and Tetsuya Nomura are the 2 biggest art designers for Final fantasy entire history. Do yourself a favor and look them up before you make yourself look more like a fool.
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Fool? Me? Your the only one here looking stupid. I know exaclty who these designers are. Every last one of those characters you metioned have caucasian features. Just like someone said earlier, you ARE dilusional. I'm convinced of that now. Do you really have any personal interest behind what you say or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

Last time I checked, Titus had blonde hair blue eyes, last time I checked, Cloud had blonde hair blue eyes, last time I checked, Squal had brown hair blue eyes, last time I checked, Zidane had blonde hair blue eyes (or green), last time I checked, Vann had blonde hair blue eyes. Every character from FFVI besides the asian guy and Shadow has blonde hair. Almost all of Amano's art is of Caucasian characters. Same for Tetsuya. The ratio of both of their Caucasian characters to asian is WAY off.

Go take your own advice and look into these designer's works. Figure out what your point in is simply going against everything I say, then insulting me, then come back and post when you can begin to make some sense.
 
bob_arctor said:
I think Tamanon is referencing the traditional and apparently obsolete definition of conservative: small government, fiscal responsibility, etc.
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Exactly. Apparently people have missed my diatribes against the waning of the Conservative movement and it being replaced by someone that wears the same shirt but uses it as an excuse to commit moral atrocities.
 
Meh. Looks like they've simply been switching places back and forth from week to week.

No need to say "Amurca iz stoopid" quite yet boys.

Don't worry, when it's apt to do so I'll be the first. :D
 
It's the GAF effect. Whomever GAF backs is doomed because GAF is the opposite of mainstream American society.

Whatever, he'll bounce back. It was a good speech and he should still win the nomination. Let's hope for no more big missteps the rest of the way. And yes, I consider associating with that hatemongering pastor a mistake.
 
VanMardigan said:
It's the GAF effect. Whomever GAF backs is doomed because GAF is the opposite of mainstream American society.

Whatever, he'll bounce back. It was a good speech and he should still win the nomination. Let's hope for no more big missteps the rest of the way. And yes, I consider associating with that hatemongering pastor a mistake.
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Then by Obama's own words, you would have to consider him associating with his grandmother a mistake as well.
 
Tamanon said:
Exactly. Apparently people have missed my diatribes against the waning of the Conservative movement and it being replaced by someone that wears the same shirt but uses it as an excuse to commit moral atrocities.
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This is true. I should have said FOX News is NEO Conservative in bias.
 
Dark Octave said:
Then by Obama's own words, you would have to consider him associating with his grandmother a mistake as well.
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I'm sorry, that's just bunk. The pastor is not family (no matter what Obama says) and he had a choice of what church to attend. I myself have switched churches over differences of opinion with the pastor.
 
VanMardigan said:
I'm sorry, that's just bunk. The pastor is not family (no matter what Obama says) and he had a choice of what church to attend. I myself have switched churches over differences of opinion with the pastor.
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I Don't agree with you, but I can respect that. thegrayfox has a great point below.
 
VanMardigan said:
I'm sorry, that's just bunk. The pastor is not family (no matter what Obama says) and he had a choice of what church to attend. I myself have switched churches over differences of opinion with the pastor.
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It's a big church. I'm sure he did more things that just hang out with his pastor. Are you saying that he should have dropped all the people that go to that church as well?
 
Dark Octave said:
Fool? Me? Your the only one here looking stupid. I know exaclty who these designers are. Every last one of those characters you metioned have caucasian features. Just like someone said earlier, you ARE dilusional. I'm convinced of that now. Do you really have any personal interest behind what you say or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

Last time I checked, Titus had blonde hair blue eyes, last time I checked, Cloud had blonde hair blue eyes, last time I checked, Squal had brown hair blue eyes, last time I checked, Zidane had blonde hair blue eyes (or green), last time I checked, Vann had blonde hair blue eyes. Every character from FFVI besides the asian guy and Shadow has blonde hair. Almost all of Amano's art is of Caucasian characters. Same for Tetsuya. The ratio of both of their Caucasian characters to asian is WAY off.

Go take your own advice and look into these designer's works. Figure out what your point in is simply going against everything I say, then insulting me, then come back and post when you can begin to make some sense.
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Oh yeah Amano would definitely would have gotten a job working with the Aryan nation.

Tetsuyo is a slightly different matter, but that's because his art is more modern than Amano's. His art is far more manga with homages to other work set in more european times like Record of Lodoss War, which again was heavily influenced by American comics, but they are definitively not white characters. Not in a classical art way, or in a graphic novel way

Unless you want to make the argument that all characters in popular anime now are all just European characters.

http://www.square-rpg.com/galeria/artwork/nomura/

Exactly. Apparently people have missed my diatribes against the waning of the Conservative movement and it being replaced by someone that wears the same shirt but uses it as an excuse to commit moral atrocities.
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But that is republican. john McCain is the most republican candidate running, and he was threashed by Fox News. Fox

Fox news isn't republican or conservative, they are just anti-liberal, since they have branded their competition as liberal.
 
maximum360 said:
Thank Fox News and the Republicans for that. The one thing Obama left out of his speech and one which is crucial, is asking the question of Americans: if you have a friend, family member, or co-worker who you heard directly or heard from other sources had made racial or anti-american remarks, what would you do? Do you disown them and have nothing to do with them? Or do you correct them, try to understand where their resentment came from, and live your life as an example of how your life doesn't have to be ruled by such things.
It would have been interesting to hear what those fair and balanced Fox News folks would say to that.

Their would either be a lot of backtracking and moving on to another subject or the hypocrisy would be ever so stifling.
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This is exactly how he should attack it from here on out and how I felt about the whole situation.
 
avatar299 said:
Fox news isn't republican or conservative, they are just anti-liberal, since they have branded their competition as liberal.
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I'd say Fox news is corporatists, Murdoch has said time and time, he doesn't believe in news he belieives in making money and he will back the party that will in the end net him the best chance at higher profit. Right now that is the republican party and within that they stand stronger with certain members with certain philosophies in which he stands to gain from.
 
kaching said:
The better person for the job of steering us out of the path of the real shitstorm we created for ourselves over the last ten years is the kind of person who understands that the fundamental issues at the heart of race/gender conflicts and tension are the very same issues fueling the shitstorm we're in. Someone who understands that resentment and divisiveness builds and hardens over time, understands that you can't just crack such hardened resolve, you have to dissolve it slowly through acknowledging that no one person or group is to blame and that no one in a conflict is truly blameless.

Race/gender issues don't come about specifically because of race or gender. They occur because we have a fundamental tendency to segregate ourselves, categorize and stereotype across whatever differences we perceive amongst ourselves. It's at the heart of why we stand at odds with many other factions of our world in the first place.

Getting into shitstorms is far easier than staying out of them. The better person for the job is the person who demonstrates an absolute clarity for why they occur in the first place, like Obama did yesterday in his speech. It should never be viewed as a mistake to speak as insightfully and candidly as he did yesterday. Winning the election isn't worth sacrificing the kind of integrity and principles that Obama has demonstrated he stands for.
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I agree with all that you say. But this country is so averse to facing this larger problem that it unfortunately becomes a negative to try and honestly and intelligently have some kind of dialogue on it. I'm all set to vote for Obama in the election as I voted for him in my state's primary, but I'm afraid that I might not get the chance if this controversy persists. It's still a long ways off, but I'm thinking that this thing will torpedo the chances for Dems and we'll have another 'surprise' Republican win. I think it's vitally important to have Obama win, personally. This country needs to start encouraging what I feel to be intelligent and honest humanists who understand and talk to the public like real people for office...especially after such a terrible stretch of crap governance that we're still living under. Hillary still strikes me as a typical politician whose constant use of platitudes in her speaking reveals that the people she's talking to are only of temporal significance in order to get into office. Still, she's a damn sight better than McCain.
 
VanMardigan said:
I'm sorry, that's just bunk. The pastor is not family (no matter what Obama says) and he had a choice of what church to attend. I myself have switched churches over differences of opinion with the pastor.
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Were you at all connected to the Church community? Was the Church you left a big part of the city you live in?

I know its all be said before, but...

For Obama, he does not recongize the church (Trinity United) as a pulpit where Rev. Wright spewed his radical nonsense. It was a cornerstone of the South side Chicago community, a place where he was married and his children baptised. A place where he sought spritual guidance, NOT political tutilidge. What sense would it have made to Obama to separate himself from his community (who at the same time are his constituants), because he didn't agree with Wright's political views.
 
XxenobladerxX said:
This post is simply retared. And this post wasn't even all that great.
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I was referring to all the back and forth and shit. Funny that the majority of gaf is obviously democratic but still tend to hate the other candidate either obama or clinton with all their heart. When its all said and done the party will be shattered....but then again this is gaf.
 
Jonm1010 said:
I'd say Fox news is corporatists, Murdoch has said time and time, he doesn't believe in news he belieives in making money and he will back the party that will in the end net him the best chance at higher profit. Right now that is the republican party and within that they stand stronger with certain members with certain philosophies in which he stands to gain from.
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I can agree with that, but it's not like MSNBC is populist. All of our new sources are corporations.
 
I like how this speech (which I haven't even heard yet, but saw some of CNN's "breakdown" of the speech with commentary from various people), seperates the dumbasses from the rest.

You see liberals and conservatives both praising the speech for being a frank discussion on issues that need to be discussed. Obama doesn't seem to be talking about policy, or partisanship, but rather issues that affect America.

And so you saw praise for the speech from all sides.

Yet you have a few assclowns trying to downplay it, simply because it paints Obama in a good light. This speech does differentiate him from all other politicians. This speech is evidence that he is not like all the others (both Republican and Democrat). This speech is the sort of inspiring message America needs to overcome issues such as racial divide.

To those saying that the issue has no relevance...what rock have you guys been hiding under?
 
avatar299 said:
I can agree with that, but it's not like MSNBC is populist. All of our new sources are corporations.
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Whatever your label it still defeats your original point that only Hillary/Obama supporters even care about the whole Wright situation:P
 
ColdDeckEd said:
Were you at all connected to the Church community? Was the Church you left a big part of the city you live in?

I know its all be said before, but...

For Obama, he does not recongize the church (Trinity United) as a pulpit where Rev. Wright spewed his radical nonsense. It was a cornerstone of the South side Chicago community, a place where he was married and his children baptised. A place where he sought spritual guidance, NOT political tutilidge. What sense would it have made to Obama to separate himself from his community (who at the same time are his constituants), because he didn't agree with Wright's political views.
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What else is there for America to say after this?

"But, but, but..."

/thread.
 
Tamanon said:
Whatever your label it still defeats your original point that only Hillary/Obama supporters even care about the whole Wright situation:P
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No it doesn't. Fox news preaches to sheep. They were never going to vote obama
 
ari said:
I was referring to all the back and forth and shit. Funny that the majority of gaf is obviously democratic but still tend to hate the other candidate either obama or clinton with all their heart. When its all said and done the party will be shattered....but then again this is gaf.
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I don't hate Hillary, at all. I'm just all about the hot newness that is Obama and kicking the goddamn establishment in the balls. Even members like Hill who lack that particular appendage.

Hill runs and there's no Obama, I vote Hill. *shrug*
 
ColdDeckEd said:
Were you at all connected to the Church community? Was the Church you left a big part of the city you live in?
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I was a deacon at the church, so I was in fact more connected to that church than Obama was to his. I was married and my daughter was baptized in that church denomination. At the end of the day, I can understand what he did, but I think it was a mistake. What the pastor said wasn't borderline inflammatory, it was straight up hate speech. I know Obama doesn't agree with any of it, I just wish he had moved away from that relationship. I know that Obama does too.
 
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