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[jmdajr]

wow, that was actually a nonpartisan unpolitical response. Huck gets my respect.

me too

 

[Nerevar]

France gave us the Statue of Liberty as a gift for freeing the slaves. She was originally sent to us as a black woman with broken shackles. They shipped that shit back to France and made them give us a statue that has the features of a white woman instead. Ain't nothing changed since then. American "hate" for the black man has simply turned into "tollerance". Black man will always be Player 2 in games, and in politics.

:lol

you have no idea what you're talking about. That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. Amazing how ignorance can lead to such massive hatred, on both sides of the issue.

 

[Lefty42o]

:lol

you have no idea what you're talking about. That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. Amazing how ignorance can lead to such massive hatred, on both sides of the issue.

:lol

 

[PhoenixDark]

Did Obama attempt to justify his comments? I didn't think so. As for the latter: if everyone was held to this standard, the GOP wouldn't have a base to count on. McCain wouldn't have to actively seek the blessing of people like Hagee. Giuliani would have shriveled in repulsion rather than acknowledge Pat Robertson. There's "someone like Wright" all over the right. It's how they win elections.

Do you think anyone doesn't know that? It's obvious similar black figures are judged in a different light when they are controversial on racial issues. If 60%+ of the country was homosexual of course Hagee would be in trouble. But 60%+ of the country is white, and doesn't like being implicated for the crimes their grandparents may or may not have been involved in. As I've said before, there's a reason Obama keeps Jesse Jackson on a tight leash, not letting him speak as much as he wants to.

Obama has no connections to the civil rights era, and he has benefited from that among whites who don't see him as threatening or divisive. Wright has caused concern among whites, and polls are already showing it's hurting Obama. Like it or not that's what is happening, and Obama was a fool for not seeing the danger of this connection much earlier

 

[theBishop]

Without reading the majority of this thread, I'd just like to say that Obama is the only candidate in the race that speaks to me as if I was an adult.

Every other candidate tries to terrify me with threats of "terrorism". Obama tries to empower me, and everyone else. I like that.

 

[Synth_floyd]

Most of what the pastor said is true, albeit un-PC. Racism in America? Yes. America supports dictators around the world? Yes. Blacks are second class citizens? In many cases, yes. America ruled by rich, white people? Yes. HIV was created to kill blacks? No. The people who don't understand what he's saying are the one's who have never had to deal with any of these things and who benefit from the status quo. I'm sure Bush and his ilk have never encountered this. Obama's speech was nice in that it recognized the anger and frustration that breeds this kind of speech but I felt he was saying he doesn't believe any of it because it's so out of the "mainstream" more than that he doesn't believe any of it. Like his wife made some un-PC comments and got attacked for it as well. Unfortunately the current political discourse is de facto censorship for unpopular views.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

FoxNews is on Obama and his pastor like white on rice. Jesus Christ. Everytime I turn it to the channel, they're talking about them. O Reilly, Hannity n Colmes, and Greta pratically dedicate their entire program on the issue. :lol

 

[ronito]

Do you think anyone doesn't know that? It's obvious similar black figures are judged in a different light when they are controversial on racial issues. If 60%+ of the country was homosexual of course Hagee would be in trouble. But 60%+ of the country is white, and doesn't like being implicated for the crimes their grandparents may or may not have been involved in. As I've said before, there's a reason Obama keeps Jesse Jackson on a tight leash, not letting him speak as much as he wants to.

Obama has no connections to the civil rights era, and he has benefited from that among whites who don't see him as threatening or divisive. Wright has caused concern among whites, and polls are already showing it's hurting Obama. Like it or not that's what is happening, and Obama was a fool for not seeing the danger of this connection much earlier

So then. It could be argued that you're saying that if Obama loses it's because he's black? He didn't know how to act in a white man's world?

 

[so_awes]

FoxNews is on Obama and his pastor like white on rice. Jesus Christ. Everytime I turn it to the channel, they're talking about them. O Reilly, Hannity n Colmes, and Greta pratically dedicate their entire program on the issue. :lol

not a surprise.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Obama climbing back up in Rasmussen poll.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_...ial_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Four point swing is pretty significant, especially given how it was trending. If Gallup follows suit, PD is going to have a heart attack.

 

[Dark Octave]

:lol

you have no idea what you're talking about. That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. Amazing how ignorance can lead to such massive hatred, on both sides of the issue.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa020900a.htm

http://www.interfarfacing.com/Liberty_TributeBlackSlaves.html

"A History Lesson
It is hard to believe that after my many years of schooling secondary and post) the following facts about the Statue of Liberty was never taught. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people including myself have visited the Statue of Liberty over the years but yet I'm unable to find one person who knows the true history behind the Statue- amazing. Yes,amazing that so much important Black history (such as this) is hidden from us (Black and White). What makes this even worse is the fact that the current twist on history perpetuates and promotes white supremacy at the expense of Black Pride.

During my visit to France I saw the original Statue of Liberty. However there was a difference, the statue in France is Black. The Statue of Liberty was originally a Black woman, but, as memory serves, it was because the model was Black.

In a book called "The Journey of The Songhai People", according to Dr. Jim Haskins, a member of the National Education Advisory Committee of the Liberty-Ellis Island Committee,professor of English at the University of Florida, and prolific Black author, points out that what stimulated the original idea for that 151 foot statue in the harbor.

He says that what stimulated the idea for the creation of the statue initially was the part that Black soldiers played in the ending of Black African Bondage in the United States. It was created in the mind of the French historian Edourd de Laboulaye, chairman of the French Anti-Slavery Society, who, together with sculptor Frederic Auguste Bartholdi,proposed to the French government that the people of France present to the people of the United States through the American Abolitionist Society, the gift of a Statue of Liberty in recognition of the fact that Black soldiers won the Civil War in the United States.

It was widely known then that it was Black soldiers who played the pivotal role in winning the war, and this gift would be a tribute to their prowess. Suzanne Nakasian, director of the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island Foundations' National Ethnic Campaign said that the Black Americans' direct connection to Lady Liberty is unknown to the majority of Americans,BLACK or WHITE.

When the statue was presented to the U.S. Minister to France in 1884, it is said that he remonstrated that the dominant view of the broken hackles would be offensive to a U.S. South, because since the statue was a reminder of Blacks winning their freedom. It was a reminder to a beaten South of the ones who caused their defeat, their despised former captives.

Documents of Proof:

1.) You may go and see the original model of the Statue of Liberty, with the broken chains at her feet and in her left hand. Go to the Museum of the City of NY, Fifth Avenue and 103rd Street write to Peter Simmons and he can send you some documentation.

2.) Check with the N.Y. Times magazine, part II_May 18, 1986. Read the article by Laboulaye.

3.) The dark original face of the Statue of Liberty can be seen in the N.Y. Post, June 17, 1986, also the Post stated the reason for the broken chains at her feet.

4.) Finally, you may check with the French Mission or the French Embassy at the U.N. or in Washington, D.C. and ask for some original French material on the Statue of Liberty, including the Bartholdi original model.

You can call in September (202) 944-6060 or 6400."

 

[bob_arctor]

Do you think anyone doesn't know that? It's obvious similar black figures are judged in a different light when they are controversial on racial issues. If 60%+ of the country was homosexual of course Hagee would be in trouble. But 60%+ of the country is white, and doesn't like being implicated for the crimes their grandparents may or may not have been involved in. As I've said before, there's a reason Obama keeps Jesse Jackson on a tight leash, not letting him speak as much as he wants to.

Obama has no connections to the civil rights era, and he has benefited from that among whites who don't see him as threatening or divisive. Wright has caused concern among whites, and polls are already showing it's hurting Obama. Like it or not that's what is happening, and Obama was a fool for not seeing the danger of this connection much earlier

So your solution is exactly the opposite of what Obama's speech was about.

 

[harSon]

Four point swing is pretty significant, especially given how it was trending. If Gallup follows suit, PD is going to have a heart attack.

trend Trend TREND TREND TREND1!11!1!!!

 

[Riskbreaker23]

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa020900a.htm

http://www.interfarfacing.com/Liberty_TributeBlackSlaves.html

"A History Lesson
It is hard to believe that after my many years of schooling secondary and post) the following facts about the Statue of Liberty was never taught. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people including myself have visited the Statue of Liberty over the years but yet I'm unable to find one person who knows the true history behind the Statue- amazing. Yes,amazing that so much important Black history (such as this) is hidden from us (Black and White). What makes this even worse is the fact that the current twist on history perpetuates and promotes white supremacy at the expense of Black Pride.

During my visit to France I saw the original Statue of Liberty. However there was a difference, the statue in France is Black. The Statue of Liberty was originally a Black woman, but, as memory serves, it was because the model was Black.

In a book called "The Journey of The Songhai People", according to Dr. Jim Haskins, a member of the National Education Advisory Committee of the Liberty-Ellis Island Committee,professor of English at the University of Florida, and prolific Black author, points out that what stimulated the original idea for that 151 foot statue in the harbor.

He says that what stimulated the idea for the creation of the statue initially was the part that Black soldiers played in the ending of Black African Bondage in the United States. It was created in the mind of the French historian Edourd de Laboulaye, chairman of the French Anti-Slavery Society, who, together with sculptor Frederic Auguste Bartholdi,proposed to the French government that the people of France present to the people of the United States through the American Abolitionist Society, the gift of a Statue of Liberty in recognition of the fact that Black soldiers won the Civil War in the United States.

It was widely known then that it was Black soldiers who played the pivotal role in winning the war, and this gift would be a tribute to their prowess. Suzanne Nakasian, director of the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island Foundations' National Ethnic Campaign said that the Black Americans' direct connection to Lady Liberty is unknown to the majority of Americans,BLACK or WHITE.

When the statue was presented to the U.S. Minister to France in 1884, it is said that he remonstrated that the dominant view of the broken hackles would be offensive to a U.S. South, because since the statue was a reminder of Blacks winning their freedom. It was a reminder to a beaten South of the ones who caused their defeat, their despised former captives.

Documents of Proof:

1.) You may go and see the original model of the Statue of Liberty, with the broken chains at her feet and in her left hand. Go to the Museum of the City of NY, Fifth Avenue and 103rd Street write to Peter Simmons and he can send you some documentation.

2.) Check with the N.Y. Times magazine, part II_May 18, 1986. Read the article by Laboulaye.

3.) The dark original face of the Statue of Liberty can be seen in the N.Y. Post, June 17, 1986, also the Post stated the reason for the broken chains at her feet.

4.) Finally, you may check with the French Mission or the French Embassy at the U.N. or in Washington, D.C. and ask for some original French material on the Statue of Liberty, including the Bartholdi original model.

You can call in September (202) 944-6060 or 6400."

Thanks for the info.

i would really like to see how Nerevar responds to that :lol

 

[MrHicks]

is this speech on the youtubers yet?
wanna see it

 

[Funky Papa]

From the article:

UPDATE: NPS Final Report on Black Statue of Liberty Rumor - Rebecca Joseph's summary report, released in September 2000, concludes that while it is "impossible to rule out" the possibility that Bartholdi's design models for the Statue of Liberty evolved from earlier sketches by the artist of black Egyptian women, there is "no corroborating evidence" that Bartholdi or his patron, Laboulaye, intended to depict Lady Liberty as a black woman. Similarly, while acknowledging that the Statue of Liberty would never have been built had its main advocates not been staunch abolitionists who saw the eradication of slavery as necessary to the realization of the principle of "liberty for all," the project was "not intended entirely as a monument to the end of slavery." Read more...

Also:

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/liberty.asp

 

[avatar299]

Isn't that what Obama pretty much said yesterday though? "The anger is real" and all that.

Yeah it is. The problem is black people do't know how to explain the problem and white people don't understand the anger.

We need to redefine MLK dream, or make a new one.

from the interview:


i thank him for pointing at something that a lot of people dont seem to get

That won't stop him from being remembered as a racist southern baptist 4 years from now.

 

[kaching]

Like it or not that's what is happening, and Obama was a fool for not seeing the danger of this connection much earlier

You have no idea that he didn't see the risk his pastor posed for his election but, more importantly, you obviously don't understand that whether he did or didn't realize the risk, he wouldn't have changed his approach one bit. I understand your need to turn this into a flaw, but you're really just validating the man's integrity.

 

[thegreyfox]

is this speech on the youtubers yet?
wanna see it

http://youtube.com/user/BarackObamadotcom

 

[electricpirate]

Yeah it is. The problem is black people do't know how to explain the problem and white people don't understand the anger.

We need to redefine MLK dream, or make a new one.

Honestly, that's what the speech yesterday did really well, and why it was so succsefull.

 

[bob_arctor]

Yeah it is. The problem is black people don't know how to explain the problem and white people don't understand the anger.

If we consider this true, do you think Obama should be the one to get his house in order, as PD suggests, making sure the anger is covered up and pushed far off out of sight so that the people who don't understand, the ones who make up the majority of this country, aren't scared off?

If so, and this in turn gets him the White House, does Obama then spring the anger brigade on the unsuspecting masses? Or does he wait until after a possible re-election?

 

[Dark Octave]

You have no idea that he didn't see the risk his pastor posed for his election but, more importantly, you obviously don't understand that whether he did or didn't realize the risk, he wouldn't have changed his approach one bit. I understand your need to turn this into a flaw, but you're really just validating the man's integrity.

Beautifully said.

 

[MrHicks]

http://youtube.com/user/BarackObamadotcom

thx

 

[avatar299]

If we consider this true, do you think Obama should be the one to get his house in order, as PD suggests, making sure the anger is covered up and pushed far off out of sight so that the people who don't understand, the ones who make up the majority of this country, aren't scared off?

If so, and this in turn gets him the White House, does Obama then spring the anger brigade on the unsuspecting masses? Or does he wait until after a possible re-election?

Ih he truly cared about this country, he would get his house in order and win, becuase more soldiers are dying in Iraq today than being hanged by klansmen or mugged by black panthers .

And if this country wants to change, which i think they do since this hasn't hurt him at all in polls, then they will wait. it's not like race relations can only improve in March and April 2008

Honestly, that's what the speech yesterday did really well, and why it was so succsefull.

To you maybe. A lot of people I have talked to found it pompous. Especially the "A different generation" remark becuase that doesn't fly very well if your white.

 

[PhoenixDark]

So then. It could be argued that you're saying that if Obama loses it's because he's black? He didn't know how to act in a white man's world?

I know for a fact that you're not that dense. My point is simple: the issue of race is riddled with landmines, and as a politician it's best to understand that. I'm not saying that Obama should just shucke and jive to the white man's flute, but you have to realize what works and what doesn't work. Accusing whites of racism is one of the biggest landmines you can step on; MANY white people aren't racist and are greatly offended when accused of it, or when it's suggested that their forefathers were racists.

Did Obama suggest whites were racist? No. did he make any damaging comments on race, yesterday or during previous speeches? No. But he left himself open by associating himself with Wright, and only denouncing the man's statements when it became a public story. Right or wrong, people are not responding positively when they find out Obama spend 20 years under this guy's wing. Anyone could have predicted this, and IF Obama loses the election because he's upset many people with this connection, it's his fault. One thing we know about the demographics is that white people over 50 and 60 haven't warmed up to Obama. Comments like these only cause a bigger divide, and who knows what will happen in November when they actually vote (or don't vote).

 

[Dark Octave]

Fuck you, dude. if you want black people in games then start fighting for it in America, not in japan where 12 black people live.

A 30 year old japanese guy is going to make a black guy the lead character for Final fantasy , a japanese game, appealing to a japanese audience. Are you retarded?

Oh yeah by the way, FUCK YOU TOO. Tell your mom I said hi bitch.

I don't understand the need for the personal attacks, but I'm not above dropping to your level, and then some.

 

[Dyno]

You have no idea that he didn't see the risk his pastor posed for his election but, more importantly, you obviously don't understand that whether he did or didn't realize the risk, he wouldn't have changed his approach one bit. I understand your need to turn this into a flaw, but you're really just validating the man's integrity.

Well put. On one hand you have stupid political rules, hypocrisy, and standards that no person should rightfully have to aspire to. (Must Obama not shop at the stores of people who say stupid things on occasion?)

On the other hand you have a man who pointed out why people in America are moved to say such things and that it is an ongoing problem for everyone.

I'll take raw intelligence and understanding over a stupid polical construct any day.

 

[avatar299]

Oh yeah by the way, FUCK YOU TOO. Tell your mom I said hi bitch.

I don't understand the need for the personal attacks, but I'm not above dropping to your level, and then some.

Oh yes personal attacks are far worse than calling an industry in a different country racist and those who work in it racist, when you defend the same shit here.

 

[avatar299]

One thing we know about the demographics is that white people over 50 and 60 haven't warmed up to Obama. Comments like these only cause a bigger divide, and who knows what will happen in November when they actually vote (or don't vote).

They never will. Either becuase they are all racist( which is what young people will believe) or becuase Obama is opposite them on every economical and security issue in this election(which intelligent people will see)

 

[Dark Octave]

Oh yes personal attacks are far worse than calling an industry in a different country racist and those who work in it racist, when you defend the same shit here.

And last time I checked, Final Fantasy was a game yes, made by Japanese, but distributed to the world to play. Nobody is calling Japanese or the industry racist. My point was that I would like to see more diversity all around the board. Include the world in the product you make for the world to play. That's all I'm saying.

And my whole point of bring that up here was because attitudes here over a stupid videogame, reflect attitudes in the political world, and in America.

 

[Tamanon]

They never will. Either becuase they are all racist( which is what young people will believe) or becuase Obama is opposite them on every economical and security issue in this election(which intelligent people will see)

I dunno if the economical/security issue is true, considering their support of Clinton. Remember they're not vastly different there at all.

 

[bob_arctor]

I'll take raw intelligence and understanding over a stupid political construct any day.

Let's hope America feels the same. Or at least feel that yeah, Obama done fucked up, but you know what, these motherfuckers in the GOP done fucked us over.

If all it takes is one wacky Pastor to make this country run into the short arms of another war-monger essentially towing the Bush foreign policy/economic line, well, guess we're gonna be fucked some more.

 

[Dyno]

I know for a fact that you're not that dense. My point is simple: the issue of race is riddled with landmines, and as a politician it's best to understand that. I'm not saying that Obama should just shucke and jive to the white man's flute, but you have to realize what works and what doesn't work. Accusing whites of racism is one of the biggest landmines you can step on; MANY white people aren't racist and are greatly offended when accused of it, or when it's suggested that their forefathers were racists.

Did Obama suggest whites were racist? No. did he make any damaging comments on race, yesterday or during previous speeches? No. But he left himself open by associating himself with Wright, and only denouncing the man's statements when it became a public story. Right or wrong, people are not responding positively when they find out Obama spend 20 years under this guy's wing. Anyone could have predicted this, and IF Obama loses the election because he's upset many people with this connection, it's his fault. One thing we know about the demographics is that white people over 50 and 60 haven't warmed up to Obama. Comments like these only cause a bigger divide, and who knows what will happen in November when they actually vote (or don't vote).

When Obama talks about change this is what he's referring to. You are analysing the political gamesmanship of the incident and how to either avoid or fall victim to the bad spin.

But these constructs are rarely rational or intelligent, they're a shortcut to thinking.

Look, any old politician can throw a 20+ year member of their community under the bus. But in real life it's kind of a cowardly thing to do. If you're not going to stand by your friends, even when they fuck up big time, you're something of a user and a coward.

Obama showed some fucking backbone in that speech but people (like you) are (ha) strategizing over how it's bad politics that might cost him.

Well, that's a pretty weak foundation to build some good leadership on, if you ask me.

Meh! If this shit really does count against Obama then Americans deserve the government they get. Same old fucking games. What's the value of his words then, of any man's words?

 

[harSon]

They never will. Either becuase they are all racist( which is what young people will believe) or becuase Obama is opposite them on every economical and security issue in this election(which intelligent people will see)

You're delusional :lol Obama and Hillary are nearly identical on every economical and security issue...

 

[bob_arctor]

Oh yes personal attacks are far worse than calling an industry in a different country racist and those who work in it racist, when you defend the same shit here.

*DreamcastSFAlpha3ImportCoverArt.jpg* (just sayin')

 

[artredis1980]

people who Obama should disown his pastor for saying those remarks...


at this time most of you are young, but if your son or daughter calls a black man the N word and blasphemizes the black society or if he or she does a horrific crime, would you disown him or her?


This is a man who has had an impact on his marriage, his kids and his religion. He knows some statements are wrong just like you as a father or mother would know your daughter or son is wrong when he or she has done or said something wrong, but would you disown a person so close to you?

I think not


Look yourself in the mirror and ask the same question.

 

[Tamanon]

Let's hope America feels the same. Or at least feel that yeah, Obama done fucked up, but you know what, these motherfuckers in the GOP done fucked us over.

If all it takes is one wacky Pastor to make this country run into the short arms of another war-monger essentially towing the Bush foreign policy/economic line, well, guess we're gonna be fucked some more.

To be perfectly fair, when have we ever really gone towards the more intellectual, logical leader?

 

[Tom_Cody]

wow, that was actually a nonpartisan unpolitical response. Huck gets my respect.

To put his comments in prospective, Huckabee has been personally guilty of Wright-like statements. For example, in the early 90s he called for the quarantine of AIDS patients. This is one of the reasons that I will sit this election out if Huckabee is VP.

 

[Insertia]

You fucking simp.

This man is my third choice amongst Democrats that declared on who I would prefer as the candidate, and I'd rather have Nader than any of them.

But even I will admit that that speech is a powerful, watershed moment. You should quit pretending that you're this big smart, cynical political know it all. You're a dumb ass home schooled jackass from Michigan named Maurice. Big difference.

:lol :lol
Exactly.
PD, silence. I know you're trying to make a name for yourself in these political threads but you suck at it. You're not exactly knowledgeable or smart enough to maintain the image you're attempting to portray.

 

[avatar299]

And last time I checked, Final Fantasy was a game yes, made by Japanese, but distributed to the world to play. Nobody is calling Japanese or the industry racist. My point was that I would like to see more diversity all around the board. Include the world in the product you make it for. That's all I'm saying.

Well then the questions is are games just meaningless consumer products created just to sell, or are they perosnal projects and reflections of what you like or who you are.

What you're asking for is Cloud and his multicultural friends, just to avoid hate from minority groups. Want proof, look at Barbie.

Black people aren't in japanese games becuase the ceators don't have them in their vision, and honestly most of the time that is how it always works. White authors create white characters and black authors make black characters. Sometimes you have a mix, but most of the time not. The important thing is that the original vision wasn't compromised.

Forcing racial integration into art is a wase of time, and maybe you don't know, but very insulting.

 

[Tamanon]

To put his comments in prospective, Huckabee has been personally guilty of Wright-like statements. For example, in the early 90s he called for the quarantine of AIDS patients. This is one of the reasons that I will sit this election out if Huckabee is VP.

But that is a telling point. Why wasn't Huckabee raked over the coals by the media for his comments, and he's the actual candidate?

I think it's because he's not an angry, black man personally.

 

[PhoenixDark]

:lol :lol
Exactly.
PD, silence. I know you're trying to make a name for yourself in these political threads but you suck at it. You're not exactly knowledgeable or smart enough to maintain the image you're attempting to portray.

Image I'm attempting to portray? Yes, I'm enjoying repeating myself over and over again while Obamania surrounds me. It's so fun.

This isn't a game, this is about our country, as Hillary would say.

 

[avatar299]

But that is a telling point. Why wasn't Huckabee raked over the coals by the media for his comments, and he's the actual candidate?

I think it's because he's not an angry, black man personally.

becuase he said that in 1994, and he was raked over the coal. maybe you just don't follow Huckabee.

people who Obama should disown his pastor for saying those remarks...


at this time most of you are young, but if your son or daughter calls a black man the N word and blasphemizes the black society or if he or she does a horrific crime, would you disown him or her?


This is a man who has had an impact on his marriage, his kids and his religion. He knows some statements are wrong just like you as a father or mother would know your daughter or son is wrong when he or she has done or said something wrong, but would you disown a person so close to you?

I think not


Look yourself in the mirror and ask the same question.

i reprimanded my younger brother for calling someone "The jew" just this past week. Did i do something wrong?

 

[scorcho]

i reprimanded my younger brother for calling someone "The jew" just this past week. Did i do something wrong?

reprimand/admonishing the statement isn't the same as disowning the person, is it?

 

[Tamanon]

becuase he said that in 1994, and he was raked over the coal. maybe you just don't follow Huckabee.

i reprimanded my younger brother for calling someone "The jew" just this past week. Did i do something wrong?

No, I'm talking about in the actual media. There's a difference between being mentioned and having his sermons played over and over again on the news I think you can definitely see that the media handled things differently.

 

[Schattenjäger]

Image I'm attempting to portray? Yes, I'm enjoying repeating myself over and over again while Obamania surrounds me. It's so fun.

This isn't a game, this is about our country, as Hillary would say.

PD tries too hard.

This Wright thing will blow over within a week just like all these "issues" do.
After this, it's on to Hillary and her tax records/first lady reports. That will be an enjoyable ride.

 

[Dark Octave]

Well then the questions is are games just meaningless consumer products created just to sell, or are they perosnal projects and reflections of what you like or who you are.

What you're asking for is Cloud and his multicultural friends, just to avoid hate from minority groups. Want proof, look at Barbie.

Black people aren't in japanese games becuase the ceators don't have them in their vision, and honestly most of the time that is how it always works. White authors create white characters and black authors make black characters. Sometimes you have a mix, but most of the time not. The important thing is that the original vision wasn't compromised.

Forcing racial integration into art is a wase of time, and maybe you don't know, but very insulting.

Last time I checked, they did make Final Fantasy for the whole world to play. Whites make white characters and blacks make black characters, :lol then why do Japanese make white characters as well?

People love using words like "force". There is nothing forced or to be forced here. Nobody should have to be forced to do anything. I simply said, "I would like to see more diversity in games". And when I said that, GAF went haywire. I almost got laughed out the goddamn thread. Comments like: "A Mexican in Gears of War would be ridiculous!!" Not realizing that Dom Santiago is a hispanic character.

So from going by the reactions in a stupid forum about a stupid game, and going by how EVERYBODY is blowing this whole Obama pastor thing WAY out of proportion now that they finally have some kind of excuse, how do you expect me to believe that America has any intentions on seeing him as the next US president?

As he stated in his speech yesterday, he can no sooner dismiss his black pastor for saying what he has said as he can dismiss his white grandmother for her racial remarks. But America doesn't want to hear that. They have closed their ears and have opened their mouths for blood, which is exactly what they have wanted from day one.

Obama has been led on, and so have we.

 

[avatar299]

reprimand/admonishing the statement isn't the same as disowning the person, is it?

My brother is 12, not a 50+ year old pastor.

The cotext is the same. I punished someone for acting like a fool.

No, I'm talking about in the actual media. There's a difference between being mentioned and having his sermons played over and over again on the news I think you can definitely see that the media handled things differently.

Yes there is a difference. Huckabee said this a decade ago, huckabee is a fringe candidate, this came out soon after he announced runnig, and huckbee apologized as soon as it happened. it got 15 minutes of talk, just like Michelle obama "Now i like being amrican" statement got 15 mins or hillary "MLK isn't important" got 15 mins and John McCain"I hate my torturers, who happen to be gooks" go 15 minutes..

None of those is really comparable to "My pastor isn't racist, but he hates white". I can only think Ferraro's comment"i wish I was a black woman, i would rule the world" was on that same level, and it got comparable coverage.

 

[bob_arctor]

No, I'm talking about in the actual media. There's a difference between being mentioned and having his sermons played over and over again on the news I think you can definitely see that the media handled things differently.

I eagerly await looping video of Hagee's greatest hits.

 

[ronito]

I know for a fact that you're not that dense. My point is simple: the issue of race is riddled with landmines, and as a politician it's best to understand that. I'm not saying that Obama should just shucke and jive to the white man's flute, but you have to realize what works and what doesn't work. Accusing whites of racism is one of the biggest landmines you can step on; MANY white people aren't racist and are greatly offended when accused of it, or when it's suggested that their forefathers were racists.

Did Obama suggest whites were racist? No. did he make any damaging comments on race, yesterday or during previous speeches? No. But he left himself open by associating himself with Wright, and only denouncing the man's statements when it became a public story. Right or wrong, people are not responding positively when they find out Obama spend 20 years under this guy's wing. Anyone could have predicted this, and IF Obama loses the election because he's upset many people with this connection, it's his fault. One thing we know about the demographics is that white people over 50 and 60 haven't warmed up to Obama. Comments like these only cause a bigger divide, and who knows what will happen in November when they actually vote (or don't vote).

Ah, but Falwell, Robertson, Graham. Surely you see the racist double standard. McCain goes out and speaks at coalitions and universities that at the very best can be considered bigoted. Hugs people who spew hate and even has said some things that can be viewed as racist. And no one, not one, would say it's killed his presidential bid. Yes calling knowing someone who calls white people racists is a landmine. A bigger one though is saying that anyone who doesn't believe as you do is responsible for terrorist attacks. Why then can't Obama go to a pastor that has been important to him, even if he doesn't agree with him?

Being a Mormon I, of all people, know the racist history and issues that the church has. Some leaders past and even current have said some horrible, horrible things about people of color. Was it even brought up with Romney? No. People were more worried about him believing Satan was Jesus' brother.

Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro. Ferraro said racist things now and in the past. Did anyone believe that it would hurt Hillary's campaign as much as this with Obama? Did she have to go out and make a special speech? Nah. Hell, Ferraro didn't even apologize and still maintains she's in the right.

So then why fault Obama for similar behavior? You're saying he should've distanced himself. I'll agree that would've been safe. But to fault him for not doing so when his competitors have similar skeletons in their closets sounds like you're faulting him for not knowing the double standard and playing to it.