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StoOgE said:
That is married filing seperately, so in that case, each person can make 32K a year in adjusted income. Married filing joinly can make over 62K dollars gross adjusted.
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Bah...you're right. Looked at the wrong chart.
 
bob_arctor said:
How so?
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For not recognizing the danger of this connection before deciding to run for a national office. The Wright videos were on Youtube long before Obama started his campaign, so this story isn't new. I simply don't believe that in the 20 years Obama congregated with this idiot no one told him how dangerous the connection could be. Instead Obama waited until the very last minute to separate himself from the issue, feigning ignorance of Wright's comments. He should have known that black religious figures who hold controversial beliefs are looked at differently than their white peers by the media and American people.
 
Triumph said:
Come on now, it's a big deal. Tiger Woods has certainly taught us that White America is ready to embrace a black man as the tops in a field, but only if he's not overtly "black". Jeremiah Wright qualifies as overtly black, I'm afraid. I think he's probably done for now, not in the primaries but in the general. Then again, maybe the economy will get so shitty that people will actually be smart, but I doubt it. BLACK FOLKS GETTIN' ANGRY SCARE WHITEY!
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Actually, there have been many, many black men who have been at the tops of their field long before Tiger Woods showed up. And we're not talking about a "game" or even a job that changes hundreds of lives. We're talking about a posistion that has the power to change the world. A black man, being the face of America? Hell no they don't want that.

I've argued with people on this forum who laughed at me when I said that I would like to see a black (or other race besides Eurasian) lead in a Final Fantasy or Resident Evil game. They thought that was the most ridiculous shit they have ever heard in their lives. How the hell does anyone expect me to believe that they really want a black man for president of the United States when they don't even want one as a lead in a videogame?

France gave us the Statue of Liberty as a gift for freeing the slaves. She was originally sent to us as a black woman with broken shackles. They shipped that shit back to France and made them give us a statue that has the features of a white woman instead. Ain't nothing changed since then. American "hate" for the black man has simply turned into "tollerance". Black man will always be Player 2 in games, and in politics.

From the very beginning, Obama never had a chance in hell.
 
PhoenixDark said:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9116.html
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Thanks for posting the article. That Rick Wilson sounds like a typical Republican piece of shit. Intellectually bereft AND Idiologically bankrupt. The man gives no indication that he understood what Barack was actually talking about, how poignant and honest it was, and can only harp on this purile equation of Obama + Angry Black Pastor = G.O.P. victory.

This idiot is saying it's a big deal in a desperate hope that it will become a big deal. He's taking a very complex issue and trying to boil it down into a talking point.

Hopefully America at large is smarter than this. At least the majority.
 
PhoenixDark said:
For not recognizing the danger of this connection before deciding to run for a national office. The Wright videos were on Youtube long before Obama started his campaign, so this story isn't new. I simply don't believe that in the 20 years Obama congregated with this idiot no one told him how dangerous the connection could be. Instead Obama waited until the very last minute to separate himself from the issue, feigning ignorance of Wright's comments. He should have known that black religious figures who hold controversial beliefs are looked at differently than their white peers by the media and American people.
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He knew the danger, he just didn't care. Maybe he is used to this sort of rhetoric so he didn't see it as a threat, maybe he didn't think people would probe that deep into his life.

It was a stupid mistake on his part.

Dark Octave said:
I've argued with people on this forum who laughed at me when I said that I would like to see a black (or other race besides Eurasian) lead in a Final Fantasy or Resident Evil game. They thought that was the most ridiculous shit they have ever heard in their lives. How the hell does anyone expect me to believe that they really want a black man for president of the United States when they don't even want one as a lead in a videogame?
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You can't be that stupid
 
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/19/clinton.documents/index.html
In a court motion this month, the archives promised to release the schedules by the end of the month but said it will need "one to two years" to process remaining documents, including more than 20,000 pages of call logs -- an indication those documents won't be released by the November 4 presidential election.

According to the archives statement, 4,746 of the schedules have redactions, information removed before being released, that largely relate to privacy concerns and include Social Security and telephone numbers and home addresses.
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These documents seem like a tougher task to release then tax returns... why can't she release her tax returns? :lol
 
avatar299 said:
He knew the danger, he just didn't care. Maybe he is used to this sort of rhetoric so he didn't see it as a threat, maybe he didn't think people would probe that deep into his life.

He was a stupid mistake on his part.
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The media's love affair with him seemed to make him complacent and (possibly) arrogant. I remember arguing a long time ago that the media was doing him a disfavor by giving him a free pass compared to Hillary and the republicans, and now we're seeing him stumble whenever he faces any scrutiny.
 
SteveMeister said:
Did he ever actually do that?
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He said he had never heard specific comments that were the most controversial. He said he had a heard a number of other controversial statements though.

News max and Bill Kristol incorrectly tried to say he was in church the morning of the comments though, but were proven incorrect.

We'll see how it falls out, but I think he made up for t he gaffe of playing the "ignorance" card. He's now acknowledged other controversial statements and very clearly enunciated why he didn't leave the church. Politically we'll see if the speech has the effect of calming the scandal around Pastor Wright, it's too early to tell at this point.

BUt the speech is already showing signs of improving the racial dialog in this country, and no matter who wins the presidency, that is really important.
 
electricpirate said:
But the speech is already showing signs of improving the racial dialog in this country, and no matter who wins the presidency, that is really important.
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Getting shit done before he's even in office... that's how Obama rolls.
 
i don't understand why Hillary is still pinning so much hope on Michigan. i mean it's a state she was destined to lose. no doubt Michael Moore will endorse Obama.
 
Dark Octave said:
I know. I must have forgotten where I am, saying shit like that. Who wants diversity in games right? Yuck!
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This is why customizable western rpgs > japan fru fru anime horseshit rpgs. Bioware let me be a black man in KOTOR!
 
PhoenixDark said:
The media's love affair with him seemed to make him complacent and (possibly) arrogant. I remember arguing a long time ago that the media was doing him a disfavor by giving him a free pass compared to Hillary and the republicans, and now we're seeing him stumble whenever he faces any scrutiny.
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Is he stumbling? The man just gave a speech and people are acting as if it was ghostwritten by Martin Luther King. He didn't lose or gain anything.

The problem now is his supporters. Most white people agree with what obama said, they agree that racism still exists in one way or another. What they don't agree with is the idea that race relations haven't improved since the 60's at allwhich is what Rev. Wright and many obama supporters here are saying. They don't agree that they are the fault for all the problems, which is what Rev. Wright said and i wouldn't be suprised many gaffers feel as well(Harson, Zeed, etc etc).

Obama did his part. he dodged the bullet, but he still may be hit if his supporters don't calm the fuck down, and shut the fuck up for once. We have already seen one candidate be dragged down by a rabid fanbase, do we really need it again?
 
The video on Youtube hasn't even been up for a full 24 hours (Meaning it has at least 24 more hours until it's pulled from the "Most Viewed-Today" page) and it's already his second most viewed clip for his channel, at over 1.2 million!
 
The implication of this controversy seems to be that Obama is a racist. I think if he was a racist, we would know it by now. His mom's white, he's surrounded by white advisers, and so on. It's an absurd, unreasonable fear and a bizarre situation that this could sink him in the general.
I also don't understand how a single flaw is enough to ruin Obama, supposedly, but other flaws aren't enough to ruin the other candidates. It's a legitimate knock against Obama, but this shit is getting way too blown up.

Watching the criticisms sway from "not black enough" to "OMG TOO BLACK TOO BLACK" and from "muslim" to "radical black power christian" is pretty amusing though.

I loved the speech by the way, too bad alot of people are too dumb for nuance, and 37 minutes is hard to boil down for the 24 hour news churn.
 
Stream just dropped. Fuck you CNN stick with the audio.

Once again, it's really fucking refreshing to hear a speech that is nuanced to the reality of terrorism, and how we can end it. No support for dictators just because they are moderate! Focus on Al Queada and real terrorism targets. The battle to end terrorism is one to end extremism, not to kill the current practioners.
 
avatar299 said:
Obama did his part. he dodged the bullet, but he still may be hit if his supporters don't calm the fuck down, and shut the fuck up for once. We have already seen one candidate be dragged down by a rabid fanbase, do we really need it again?
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I don't understand any of this at all. I've never seen or heard an Obama supporter outside of GAF. Seriously, what does any of that even mean?
 
Dark Octave said:
I know. I must have forgotten where I am, saying shit like that. Who wants diversity in games right? Yuck!
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Fuck you, dude. if you want black people in games then start fighting for it in America, not in japan where 12 black people live.

A 30 year old japanese guy is going to make a black guy the lead character for Final fantasy , a japanese game, appealing to a japanese audience. Are you retarded?
 
avatar299 said:
Fuck you, dude. if you want black people in games then start fighting for it in America, not in japan where 12 black people live.

A 30 year old japanese guy is going to make a black guy the lead character for Final fantasy , a japanese game, appealing to a japanese audience. Are you retarded?
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What does this have to do with this thread? :lol
 
Piper Az said:
My take after a day of mulling:

When he said he cannot disown his pastor as he cannot disown the black community or his grandmother was the gist of his explanation.

The racial anger, prejudice and divide that his pastor, the black community, or some whites like his grandmother show are all part of america.

To those who say Obama should just cut ties with his pastor - should he cut his ties with the black community as well? Should he cut his ties with his grandmother as well? But most importantly, should he cut his ties with America? Since this country is full of imperfect people.
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Same could be said about slavery. It's part of America. Should all ties to America be cut because of it? Hey, this country is full of imperfect people.
How about an distinction? Cut of ties to people and things bullshit, don't stay 20 years in their service or simply don't try to run for president.
 
bob_arctor said:
I don't understand any of this at all. I've never seen or heard an Obama supporter outside of GAF. Seriously, what does any of that even mean?
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Go to a obama meet-up or rally. Better yet go to one in an urban area. What Rev Wright said isn't that different from what you would hear there.

It may not have been a big deal before when no one associated Obama with this sort of stuff, but now everything is a liability.
 
avatar299 said:
Fuck you, dude. if you want black people in games then start fighting for it in America, not in japan where 12 black people live.

A 30 year old japanese guy is going to make a black guy the lead character for Final fantasy , a japanese game, appealing to a japanese audience. Are you retarded?
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they don't mind putting white characters in their games*shrugs

I'm indifferent to the subject myself.
 
Dark Octave said:
I know. I must have forgotten where I am, saying shit like that. Who wants diversity in games right? Yuck!
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Who cares about videogames? You're never going to see Japanese developers make a black character the lead in a Final Fantasy game; if you want diversity in games look at the various western games that are at least putting black "characters" in their games like Halo for instance.
 
avatar299 said:
Go to a obama meet-up or rally. Better yet go to one in an urban area. What Rev Wright said isn't that different from what you would hear there.
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Isn't that what Obama pretty much said yesterday though? "The anger is real" and all that.
 
bob_arctor said:
Isn't that what Obama pretty much said yesterday though? "The anger is real" and all that.
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Of course the "anger" is real, but that doesn't justify comments suggesting whites created AIDS to bring the black man down, nor does it give an elected official the excuse to congregate with someone like Wright.

Huckabee makes a lot of valid points; once again my respect for him increases. While some of Wright's anger is understandable, there's still a difference between having a "chip" on your shoulder and propagating conspiracy nonsense.
 
Dark Octave said:
I've argued with people on this forum who laughed at me when I said that I would like to see a black (or other race besides Eurasian) lead in a Final Fantasy or Resident Evil game. They thought that was the most ridiculous shit they have ever heard in their lives. How the hell does anyone expect me to believe that they really want a black man for president of the United States when they don't even want one as a lead in a videogame?
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It funny you mention that, GAF about darn near exploded when GTA San Andreas had a black main character. :lol
 
PhoenixDark said:
Of course the "anger" is real, but that doesn't justify comments suggesting whites created AIDS to bring the black man down, nor does it give an elected official the excuse to congregate with someone like Wright.

Huckabee makes a lot of valid points; once again my respect for him increases. While some of Wright's anger is understandable, there's still a difference between having a "chip" on your shoulder and propagating conspiracy nonsense.
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why did you put anger in quotes?
 
PhoenixDark said:
Of course the "anger" is real, but that doesn't justify comments suggesting whites created AIDS to bring the black man down, nor does it give an elected official the excuse to congregate with someone like Wright.
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Did Obama attempt to justify his comments? I didn't think so. As for the latter: if everyone was held to this standard, the GOP wouldn't have a base to count on. McCain wouldn't have to actively seek the blessing of people like Hagee. Giuliani would have shriveled in repulsion rather than acknowledge Pat Robertson. There's "someone like Wright" all over the right. It's how they win elections.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Of course the "anger" is real, but that doesn't justify comments suggesting whites created AIDS to bring the black man down
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Good thing that no candidate is justifying these comments are they?

What also isn't justified is a blanket disownment of these kinds of statements, the refusal to acknowledge them, understand their roots, and from that starting point work towards reconciliation. *THIS* is what Obama refused to do to his immense credit and THIS is exactly what you are attempting to bash him for. Lord.
 
SRG01 said:
Huckabee defending Obama... wait, what?
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from the interview:
And one other thing I think we've gotta remember. As easy as it is for those of us who are white, to look back and say "That's a terrible statement!"...I grew up in a very segregated south. And I think that you have to cut some slack -- and I'm gonna be probably the only Conservative in America who's gonna say something like this, but I'm just tellin' you -- we've gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told "you have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can't sit out there with everyone else. There's a separate waiting room in the doctor's office. Here's where you sit on the bus..." And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.
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i thank him for pointing at something that a lot of people dont seem to get
 
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