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[siamesedreamer]

Because it is one of the only black focused liberal churches in south side Chicago.

Is it the only or one of the only? I still don't see how that makes it acceptable unless he at one point believed in this filth.

 

[BobLoblaw]

Ok. I like Barack as a political figure and all, but it says a lot to me about his character to be able to listen to this idiot for 20 years. This guy sounds as bad or worse than some of those far right evangelical nutjobs. -1 respect for Barack. :|

 

[Skellig Gra]

If Obama denounces his own pastor then the Hillary camp will say "See he is a Muslim" and the ugliness will continue. Is it April 22nd yet?

 

[harSon]

Because Farrakhan is an anti-semite and a racist? Yeah, sure, a lot of public figures have had their moments in either of those areas but Farrakhan's statements stand out due to these comments:

"Judaism is a gutter religion" and "White people are the scum of the earth". those are just two of the illustrious saying of Mr. Farrakhan.

How about Mr. Pat Robertson? He's every bit as controversial as Louis Farrakhan yet he has a television show. Double standard much?

 

[Cooter]

It surprises me Obama would attend a church like this. I don't hold it against him because it appears that he doesn't believe such things but I'm dumbfounded as to why he would go here out of all places.

 

[iapetus]

No, It means you can only run as a Republican

Also you must have regular encounters with male prostitutes.

 

[bob_arctor]

To be fair, Hagee is just a less well-known Farrakhan

Isn't McCain making cuddly with him?

More than a week after John McCain’s endorsement by the anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic pastor John Hagee, the media continues to give the GOP nominee a free pass.

Free pass? McCain? Nah, he's just a straight-talking war hero is all.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

We need some sermons from the respective home churches of Hillary and McCain to see who would be the most "American-loving".

It has been bothering me for a while, what religion is McCain? :lol

 

[Tamanon]

It surprises me Obama would attend a church like this. I don't hold it against him because it appears that he doesn't believe such things but I'm dumbfounded as to why he would go here out of all places.

The reason politician's churches don't usually make the news is that they're always something to be embarassed about.

Hcore: McCain is Episcopalian.

Or Muslim.

 

[Mermandala]

McCain is so old he is a religion.

 

[GG-Duo]

Wait, what is he saying here that is actually that "insane"?

I don't agree with his point that God should damn America, and he's insensitive for saying those comments right after 9/11, but pointing out and denouncing the country's atrocities and hypocrisy is a good thing to do...

Of course, this is going to create huge headaches for Obama, but that's another issue.

 

[backbreaker65]

And he does have a position in Obama's administration, contrary to what you guys are saying.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wrights_committee.html

 

[hokahey]

These are the reasons I will vote for Obama. First US President in modern history that's friendly to the cause. Go mother fucker go!

 

[Aurvant]

How about Mr. Pat Robertson? He's every bit as controversial as Louis Farrakhan yet he has a television show. Double standard much?

No sir, Pat Robertson says a lot of stupid crap that he needs to be called on. I think it can be said for all people, and Lewis Black said it best, "There are some things you can think, but then shut your fucking mouth."

 

[grandjedi6]

Is it the only or one of the only? I still don't see how that makes it acceptable unless he at one point believed in this filth.

Obama is a memeber of the United Church of Christ. His choices in south side Chicago was Trinity United Church of Christ or uh..nothing. There aren't many denominations that support gay marriage, increasingly liberal and have notable milestones for womena and African-Americans. I could question why other politicians aren't getting hit for their church leader's anti-gay remarks and racism/sexism. But the difference between the two is that one is sadly socially acceptable and one is not. I don't see why Obama shoud be held accountable for one man from his church, who Obama has already publically disagreed with

 

[Tamanon]

And he does have a position in Obama's administration, contrary to what you guys are saying.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wrights_committee.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/obama/obama120407pr.html

That's not really on his campaign, but sure, toss him off the list! Then we can start going through each of those preacher's sermons and the second we find something bad toss 'em off!

There's a difference here, he's not out there actively promoting these beliefs, or representing Obama at all.

 

[speculawyer]

Sean Hannity will be busy with this story. First, he was on Obama and his connections to the terrorist William Ayers, then last night on Obama's pastor and Louis Farrakhan, and now this. :lol

What a total ass. How can people listen to such garbage? Don't they at least question things when the propangda contradicts itself? (Obama is a muslim . . . and his pastor says these terrible things!)

 

[bob_arctor]

And really, what's more American then having a hate-mongering pastor in your church?

 

[grandjedi6]

It has been bothering me for a while, what religion is McCain? :lol

Baptist

 

[Tamanon]

It's bizarre, Hannity constantly, I mean constantly references William Ayers and Farrakhan and his preacher, whereas Rush constantly says that he's just an evil man hiding behind Hope and Change

 

[harSon]

No sir, Pat Robertson says a lot of stupid crap that he needs to be called on. I think it can be said for all people, and Lewis Black said it best, "There are some things you can think, but then shut your fucking mouth."

You don't think Pat Robertson is on par with Louis Farrakhan?

 

[APF]

So you're saying this belongs in the "Hillary, closet Republican?" thread. I see.

I think it belongs in the "both candidates are opportunistic douchebags who don't believe half of what they say" thread

 

[Tarazet]

I really hope this story does explode, because then the Deliverance set will at least realize he isn't Islamic.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Obama is a memeber of the United Church of Christ. His choices in south side Chicago was Trinity United Church of Christ or uh..nothing. There aren't many denominations that support gay marriage, increasingly liberal and have notable milestones for womena and African-Americans. I could question why other politicians aren't getting hit for their church leader's anti-gay remarks and racism/sexism. But the difference between the two is that one is sadly socially acceptable and one is not. I don't see why Obama shoud be held accountable for one man from his church, who Obama has already publically disagreed with

The sad thing is, is that he probably only attended a church to begin with to pander to certain demographics (like most politicians) and now it is backfiring (to some degree or another).

 

[grandjedi6]

Also you must have regular encounters with male prostitutes.

or pages. Democrats have a monopoly on expensive female prostitutes though

 

[PhoenixDark]

Does Obama still attend services at this church?

 

[Aurvant]

You don't think Pat Robertson is on par with Louis Farrakhan?

No, I think he's on par. If I was running for public office I wouldn't want him to be seen as an aquiantance.

 

[Guileless]

Wait, what is he saying here that is actually that "insane"?

I don't agree with his point that God should damn America, and he's insensitive for saying those comments right after 9/11, but pointing out and denouncing the country's atrocities and hypocrisy is a good thing to do...

Yes, "pointing out" problems is a good thing to do and necessary in order to take corrective action. To have your spiritual adviser calling down divine wrath on the country you're asking to lead so you can improve it...not so much.

 

[Skellig Gra]

or pages. Democrats have a monopoly on expensive female prostitutes though

Hey don't forget McGreevey.

 

[harSon]

Does Obama still attend services at this church?

PD grasping for ammunition.

 

[grandjedi6]

The sad thing is, is that he probably only attended a church to begin with to pander to certain demographics (like most politicians) and now it is backfiring (to some degree or another).

No. Obama has been a member for over 20 years, before his political career. Also, the church itself does not represent any of these radical ideas, it is only that one pastor's opinion

 

[Aurvant]

Wait, what is he saying here that is actually that "insane"?

I don't agree with his point that God should damn America, and he's insensitive for saying those comments right after 9/11, but pointing out and denouncing the country's atrocities and hypocrisy is a good thing to do...

Of course, this is going to create huge headaches for Obama, but that's another issue.

Wha...what?!

What part of this don't you understand?

 

[APF]

The sad thing is, is that he probably only attended a church to begin with to pander to certain demographics (like most politicians) and now it is backfiring (to some degree or another).

Wouldn't the sad thing be the pandering, and not the backfiring? The backfiring would be karma.

 

[PhoenixDark]

PD grasping for ammunition.

I just want to know. If he's still attending obviously this will be a problem. If not I'd imagine he's already separated himself from the man and his comments

 

[grandjedi6]

Does Obama still attend services at this church?

Yes. But there is nothing wrong with the church itself, only that pastor. And the pastor is retiring

 

[schuelma]

I agree this is overblown to a certain extent...but it is a legit story.

 

[soul creator]

The sad thing is, is that he probably only attended a church to begin with to pander to certain demographics (like most politicians) and now it is backfiring (to some degree or another).

it was actually kind of funny reading his book when he talked about his conversion to Christianity. His reasoning was essentially "hey, some people in church do nice things in the community, so I guess I should become Christian too!" Not sure why seeing people doing nice things automatically makes someone want to become Christian, but hey, whatever works for him...

But he also at least recognizes that he shouldn't use his religion to make policy decisions, so he gets props from me.

 

[siamesedreamer]

There aren't many denominations that support gay marriage, increasingly liberal and have notable milestones for womena and African-Americans.

He joined the church in 1988. Are you suggesting they supported gay marriage as far back as 20 years ago?

 

[APF]

Wouldn't the pastor indicate there was indeed something wrong with that church, namely his being there?

 

[Karma Kramer]

Wouldn't the pastor indicate there was indeed something wrong with that church, namely his being there?

wut?

 

[Star Power]

He joined the church in 1988. Are you suggesting they supported gay marriage as far back as 20 years ago?

What are you getting at? They support gay marriage now and he still goes there, obviously if he was opposed to gay marriage (which he isn't really, he's for civil unions with the exact same rights as marriage - which is "gay marriage" w/o the word marriage, so as to appease people who feel marriage should be btwn man & woman) and their other progressive beliefs he wouldn't continue to go there.

 

[RumFore]

Farrakhan never actually said that Judaism is a "gutter religion" FYI. Also, to label him an anti-semite and a racist and thats it, and ignore his contributions to the black community and his IMPORTANCE to the black community is kind of silly... he is a complex figure, and Obama is right to "reject and denounce" a lot of what he says, but it really isn't black and white.

Just curious on what Farrakhan has done for the black community. Please share.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Wouldn't the pastor indicate there was indeed something wrong with that church, namely his being there?

You can have a bad pastor and still have faith in religion that promotes good things. In case you didn't realize, not a lot of people are signing up to be clergymen these days.

 

[drohne]

Wouldn't the sad thing be the pandering, and not the backfiring? The backfiring would be karma.

no, i'd say the sad thing is the necessity to pander in that way. to complain that a successful politician is doing the things that a successful politician must do is pretty light-minded -- but that kind of feigned indignation is as much a staple of american political discourse as feigned religious piety

 

[grandjedi6]

He joined the church in 1988. Are you suggesting they supported gay marriage as far back as 20 years ago?

They were mostly neutral until 2005 when they supported gay marriage. Regardless, the United Church of Christ is known for many other progressive milestones such as the first woman ordained and the first to oppose slavery.

 

[Mermandala]

Hey APF, remember that thread questioning Hillary's association with the Genghis Khan-loving Fellowship? Remember your only argument was that it was tenuous to link the crazy talk with the person without any proposed policy overlap? do that here.

 

[Star Power]

Just curious on what Farrakhan has done for the black community. Please share.

Well, most importantly he organized and leaded the Million Man March. Also, he has funded schools, businesses, community centers, etc. and given a lot of people a kind of.. moral leadership? Spiritual guidance? I don't mean to overstate his importance or to condone some of the more vile things he had said, but he is a complex figure. We have a tendency to make things THIS or THAT, and it is hardly ever that way...

 

[harSon]

I just want to know. If he's still attending obviously this will be a problem. If not I'd imagine he's already separated himself from the man and his comments

He retired a month ago. These controversies are strictly with Jeremiah Wright and not the church.

Well, most importantly he organized and leaded the Million Man March. Also, he has funded schools, businesses, community centers, etc. and given a lot of people a kind of.. moral leadership? Spiritual guidance? I don't mean to overstate his importance or to condone some of the more vile things he had said, but he is a complex figure. We have a tendency to make things THIS or THAT, and it is hardly ever that way...

Also had a large part in helping drug heads, prostitutes, and gang members turn their lives around.

 

[witness]

Anyone claiming to be a Christian while blissfully declaring God's damnation on anything is as far removed from Christianity as could ever be possible. That's all I'll say.

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[CajoleJuice]

If Obama was in the Justice League, his name would be "Teflon" and everything would just slide right off him. I think he may even use Pam cooking spray as deodorant.

Obama took lessons from Jordan.