You can't support trump without those policies if those are the ones he said he'd enact if elected. You're literally voting for those policies. No amount of separating art from artist semantics can change that.
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You can't support trump without those policies if those are the ones he said he'd enact if elected. You're literally voting for those policies. No amount of separating art from artist semantics can change that.
This can't be said enough. McCain and Romney weren't great but they wouldn't have engaged the world in nuclear war because someone called them a bad word. This election is different in tone, scale and potential danger.
He does not have policies of non-interventionism. It's the exact opposite.
This lie needs to die.
Vyse The Legend
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Um, that graphic generalizes everyone involved, not just white people, so I am not sure why you took that so personally. There are plenty of people in all the groups represented there that support Trump. That's not the point.
Ninja Scooter
Member
If you are willing to overlook blatant and dangerous racism and bigotry in order to support economic policies that are better for your own wallet than you are a shitbag who is no better than the racists themselves. Enabling that is just as bad and those people can fuck off for all I care. If that causes a breakdown in the political discourse in this country than so be it, because I have zero interest in having a dialogue with those kinds of shit stains, I am only interested in seeing the policies and people they support defeated.
Interfectum
Gold Member
The article isn't about how he simply plans to vote for Trump though... he's neck deep in this shit.
Tell me more about how racist and derrogatory internet memes are "civilized polítical discussion". I'll wait.
In my opinion, sure Trumps is worse, but only by a small margin. Clinton hasnt said what she would do with the banks for instance. And they should be regulated and taxed more. She wont do that, because they are funding her campaign. Which is by all definitions, corruption.
The other thing is that the middleclass in the US is shrinking fast. You need to do something to strengthen the middleclass or else you wont have people with enough buyingpower to keep the economy afloat which means that the povertyrates are going to increase, which means more crime and so on.
She knows all this, and dont want to do anything about it, and in my eyes that is bad.
If you look at China, they have a growing middleclass and that is essential for China's growth. The same is true for the US.
The DNC had one good canditate imo and that was Sanders. Its a shame he is out.
Kotick was a good cantidate for the RNC imo, even though i'm not conservative and wouldnt vote for him. He is miles better than Trump.
I hope that cleared up what i meant. I probably should have included it in my initial post.
Dreamwriter
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Which racial or religious groups did he disparage with that post?
WhiskeyKnight
Member
What the fuck am I even reading here, seriously
This just makes me think how Trump said he doesn't like veterans who were captured when talking about McCain, a man who spent 5 1/2 years as a POW in Vietnam where he was starved and tortured.
LordBaztion
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I guess asking for money is what suits up for him.
What a disgrace. I hope Microsoft and Facebook distance from him.
What a disgrace. I hope Microsoft and Facebook distance from him.
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I have not seen a single detailed plan or meaningful policy outlined by trump that isnt "Yuuge" and "Great Again"
SenjutsuSage
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Welp, this just successfully killed any and all chance of me ever giving any of my hard earned money to support anything this guy has such a heavy influence on. Not like I ever truly believed the hype of VR gaming to begin with, but I had hope for its potential with apps and other kinds of experiences. Oculus is dead to me. 
Denial.
Primethius
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Not really trying to defend Palmer or anything, but the jolly good time line seems really out of place. I don't get the impression he'd say something like that.
I mean, did you see those steaks and wine?
But with Trump the comparisons happen very quickly, because it's a lot more valid as a comparison.
He has the support of many literal Neo-Nazi's. It's not a contrived comparison.
Yeah, that's right, ignore everyone else who engaged with you, because that tactic isn't a transparent attempt to avoid discussion yourself.
You want civil discussion, go for it. Tell me how a Trump presidency can be positive for the GOP. While you're at it Tell me how blind partisanship in a 2 party system isn't a bigger threat to democracy than not liking people call out others for unacceptable behaviour.
Vyse The Legend
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Even if you think Hillary represents the status quo, which isn't good, there's no way that she's only slightly better than an openly racist, xenophobic, unqualified, ill-tempered, lying person. Be reasonable.
You'll believe what when you see it? Striking to put things in place by taking advantage of events? The Iraq war and changes in nationwide security and monitoring policies are just a couple of examples.
Some might say it's also an example of other people in government using their position in a president/administration to their advantage as wel.
I think you'll find that a number of the people in the past who jumped to aggressive responses would, at some point in time, have had exactly the attitude you're wanting to see; you see someone make an inaccurate statement, you move in to establish the actual truth and why it's unhealthy to believe that statement... and they aren't receptive. They're not just that they aren't receptive; they believed that statement, firmly, with their heart. It fits with how they feel, it fits with what they expected. They simply can't be wrong. So, establishing this perceived fact that that statement is wrong, their thoughts turn to you - why are you denying this clear fact? What agenda are you pushing?
It does not end well.
And that's the problem; there are people out there who can be swayed into questioning their firmly-held beliefs by reasonable, logical arguments - but they are rather less common in the world than we'd all like.
There's one bit in The Witness - yes, the game from the start of the year (don't worry, I won't make this particularly spoilery) where you play through a tutorial for a puzzle concept, grasp the concept, and solve a series of puzzles. And then you get to a puzzle... that's impossible. Completely and utterly impossible. Until you realise that your belief about what the puzzle concept was was actually incorrect. There were quite a few posts in the OT suggesting that it was unfair for the game to change the puzzle concept on the fly without giving any warning, but that wasn't actually the case - the concept had actually remained unchanged throughout, it just had nuances and subtleties that weren't apparent from the initial tests of the player.
My meandering point is this: When you're strongly wedded to a firm belief, if something comes up that challenges that belief, it's very easy to fall into the trap of starting from the notion that it's the data that's challenging the belief that's wrong rather than questioning that belief. And that's what makes trying to sway someone with firm political beliefs away from inaccuracies so ultimately frustrating.
You're still right, at heart - it's absolutely better to try to sway someone with reasonable arguments. But a person can only take so much talking to a brick wall before they'll conclude "fuck it", which will have an effect on how they talk to the next person, even if the next person may be more receptive.
That is, indeed, what you are talking about -- you chose one post out of dozens and didn't actually address any substance.
Start practicing what you are preaching.
Dreamwriter
Member
I supported Obama without believing in all of his policies, I don't think people should be compelled to pay private companies for insurance for example. I know people who support Trump that aren't racists, that don't want to build a wall or keep out Muslims. You can support a candidate without supporting every single thing he/she does.
Yep and there was a clear shift of the parties ever since the landmark civil rights act before that time most Americans didnt see much of a difference between the two parties and ever since then Republicans have done every to undermine progress in thia country.
It is pretty much the party for white people no hyperbole. For example in 2012 state elections the number of Republicans elected something absurd like 90+% were white.
They offer nothing to any other demographic because of the status quo and majority in this country which is finally eroding so either they change their policies or have a slow burn into irrelevance like a 3rd party. Theh need to extinguish their divisive and racist dog whistles that at one point was winning them elections. Its crazy how they really lost their mind once a black man was elected and they are losing their minds at a woman possibly being elected.
As many say equality feels like oppression to those that are in privileged positions.
I just dont understand how anyone can argue for republican policies other the single iasue voters which are insane that they would weigh one issue above a myriad of issues that are bad policy by a party.
Its just tough that there are a certain part of this country that will not understand and emphasize for others because of their sheer ignorance or hatred. Or people who may not be vehement racists but use those vehicles to attempt to gain power.
Except in Trump's case, it's relevant. It's eerie how similar his rhetoric is to Hitler's when he was rising in the political ranks.
Specialmias
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Ehh this is some off the cuff shit I heard this is probably not substantiated so take this as you will as it's as likely bullshit as it is real.
Supposedly people who knew him before and after this whole VR thing blew up knew he was from a super conservative family. He was taught working hard and doing the right thing would get you success. Minorities and other groups aren't very successful because they don't have the initiative. After the whole Facebook VR thing he's gotten this massive ego about his success and how hard he worked to everyone. He used this as a platform to defend this idea that he thinks people who don't succeed in the United States and are liberals asking for hand outs are just too lazy to be successful. Add to that he was very young when this happened he is now convinced he became a billionaire by working harder than everyone else.
Some people who met him later on have mentioned he gets kind of preachy about this and it's one of the major reasons he subscribes to the entire mindset of this campaign.
Of course this is just from people saying he got preachy about it and has repeated this story in person several times.
JeTmAn81
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You can definitely vote for someone without supporting all their positions. I'm a centrist who definitely didn't support everything Obama supported, but I voted for him twice.
So why do they support Trump anyway?
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Pellegri Testament
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What you "support" means FUCK ALL if your candidate openly supports what you are against. How are not able to see that? Seriously, if you do not agree with his "policies", why vote for him?
Ninja Scooter
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Did yiu support Obama despite finding some of his rhetoric and policies abhorrent? Because anybody who doesn't find racial profiling or introducing stop and frisk into black neighborhoods, or killing/torturing families of terrorists abhorrent and is willing to overlook these things is a waste of space.
Something something, Benghazi, something something, emails, something something, status quo, something something, Crooked Hillary.
My Trump Supporter cosplay.
Hard to fully quote this post because on mobile...but how is this getting overlooked in this thread?
This is very interesting... so basically should we buy products that are created by people whose politics we dont like? Should we ask people who run big companies what do they stand for?
Right off the bat, i would say that we should not look at politics when buying products... but then, rich and influential people tend to influence politics. Sometimes because they are egoistic and sometimes for personal gain, but they do influence it.
It is definitely interesting topic and something we can be hypocritical about - for instance, lets not buy # because that guy is an "right wing idiot", but it should not matter that some other guy in some other company supports left wing ideas because that should not matter when buying product.
FunkyMunkey
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there's some real fucking thick people in this thread right here. some people apparently need someone to flat out say "i'm a racist" before they can label them as such.
my big gulp cup of diet racism is overflowing reading this thread got damn
my big gulp cup of diet racism is overflowing reading this thread got damn
Nope. You'd be right if you were talking about mild disagreements.
Trump has literally advocated for the MURDER OF INNOCENT US CITIZENS.
This is not the kind of candidate you can still vote on ignoring the extremist shit he advocates for.
DryvBy
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If it's happened, why are we not currently bashing this admin for allowing this blatant racism?
And I wouldn't choose either one of the political turds running in a million years.
Barry Burton
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It's sad that a man enabling racism isn't your stopping point.
Interfectum
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Building a wall to keep Mexicans out, his stance against Muslims and the Obama birther controversy is what helped to put Trump on the map in politics and most likely won him the primary. As a voter you can't ignore that.
Also, please don't compare ignoring or not agreeing with some of Obama's nuanced policies to overlooking Trump's blatantly racist fear-mongering propaganda.
But you can't also ignore that by supporting that candidate, you will be indirectly supporting those very policies you don't agree with.
If Trump promised every US citizen eternal wealth, but at the cost of "We have to kill a nigger every 24 hours", you cannot sit there, vote for Trump, and argue "Well I believe in having eternal wealth, although I disagree with the whole "killing niggers" thing as if that means anything.
At some point you have to accept that by accepting any specific candidate, you are in fact passively supporting all the policies that candidate represents. And to vote for Trump means you are actively accepting that he actively wants to make life a living hell for anyone who isn't white. You cannot remove this.
Your friends aren't "actively" racist. But by voting for Trump they would have to accept they would be enabling a racist to be a racist on their behalf.
No, not really. That's kind of what supporting the candidate means. You support their stances, and their ideas.
EatinOlives
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And people really wonder how Trump could've possibly gotten as popular as he is.
The post you quoted is the perfect example of the attitude that is more than willing to simply look the other way at the fact that Trump supporters support an open bigot, xenophobe, racist, sexist conman. Completely ignoring all the shit he says on a regular basis and cherry-picking on completely random shit to support just to make themselves feel better about supporting the open bigot, xenophobe, racist, sexist conman. And not only that, but others tripping over themselves to say WE'RE the ones in the wrong for calling them out on it.
Those people are NOT being "neutral". They think they are, but they aren't.
Roto Prime
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Damn you Supremacy evil groups! Damn you all!!
Palmer Luckey is also a GGer. He follows people like Mike Cernovich the bro juice lawyer who is a rape apologist. I think anyone who spent time in the old GG threads remembers him being a prominant person saying things like women get addicted to alpha male semen cause it's like a super syrum or that spiking a woman's drink and having your way with her is not rape.
Look at all of his likes too. He may not talk about these things but his likes tell a different story in what he supports. He's clearly a big Trump supporter and doesn't like how the media portrays him, and how much he dislikes Hillary, even shown in the article with that big billboard behind him. Also about the article, he is finally talking about those things he doesn't seem to talk about.
Then you have him funding Nimble America. And if you go to the site, the first thing seen on the front page is if you're a woman traveling through Mexico, you're likely to be raped by a Mexican. They also make the popular white supremacist and anti-semitic pro-trump memes you might see around online.
And his girlfriend, he clearly supports her and she is very much a racist. Very, very much so.
I think there's a pattern here, no?