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Official 2007 NBA Finals Thread - Damon Jones is in the Finals? Dear God No!
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The Frankman
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I assume he meant after the trade if it happened.shibby said:
Now I'm not saying I want him but it made for an interesting read.
Blackace said:
We'd also lose our best defender in Kirk.
I mean obviously, it depends what the entire package would be. But I don't think Duhon is a worthy starter, Kobe on the team or not.
If Paxson is going to break up the core, I'd much rather try for KG over Kobe. But I honestly don't think he'll move many of the main guys we have right now.
The Frankman
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.... um salaries don't even come close to matching.Blackace said:
EDIT: It'd have to be Gordon, Nocioni (sign-and-trade), Deng and maybe Thomas or Duhon.
pheeniks said:
Honestly, this is the biggest thing with me. Everyone around here loves Hinrich, and deservedly so. Even on talk radio, all of it is usually "what can we get by trading X player as long as it isn't Hinrich."
I honestly can't see him getting traded. It might be the right move depending on the offers(of course no one will ever know), but I can't see a deal in which he leaves Chicago.
The Chosen One
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Hollywood_mIRC said:
Bah... the GAF server just chewed up a long ass post I made. It's dangerous to post around midnight.
The idea with the Chicago trade for Kobe, is not to give up Hinrich or Deng. You make a trade of Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, Nocioni, and the #9 pick for Kobe. Maybe a future 1st round pick as well. Then you have great defenders bookending the defensive presence in Ben Wallace and Hinrich, free agent PF, a #2 in Deng, and Kobe.
THAT's why the Bulls make so much sense. They have depth, youth, potential, and a high draft pick. Lakers would be looking pretty good as well with a core of Gordon, Tyrus, Odom, Nocioni, and the #9. Future pick to seal the deal.
He's going to be a better scorer than Garnett though. He can score in more ways. Defensively they're similar. Not right now of course, but I mean in potential and how each of them is coming into the league.
THAT's why the Bulls make so much sense. They have depth, youth, potential, and a high draft pick. Lakers would be looking pretty good as well with a core of Gordon, Tyrus, Odom, Nocioni, and the #9. Future pick to seal the deal.
Sumidor said:
He's going to be a better scorer than Garnett though. He can score in more ways. Defensively they're similar. Not right now of course, but I mean in potential and how each of them is coming into the league.
The Bulls would be stupid not to trade for Kobe. It would make them instant contenders for the championship. If you get that opportunity then go for it. Unless they are just trying to make a team that always makes the playoffs but will never advance far.
But personally I hope the Lakers just bring in some ****ing talent and keep Kobe around.
But personally I hope the Lakers just bring in some ****ing talent and keep Kobe around.
jordan0386
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Looking at the what if trades, in the last few posts, who else would be scoring on the bulls?
It is a weaker conference, Bean would avg 40...but they would still have the problems scoring the ball, as they sometimes do now...their bench is horrible
And what would be their "window" with Lebron set to take over?
Oh, and he would have to face Arenas and Redd 4 times a year...O lord, that wont end well:lol
It is a weaker conference, Bean would avg 40...but they would still have the problems scoring the ball, as they sometimes do now...their bench is horrible
And what would be their "window" with Lebron set to take over?
Oh, and he would have to face Arenas and Redd 4 times a year...O lord, that wont end well:lol
jordan0386
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I dont see him getting moved though...lakers will make 3 trades imo
Odom for jermaine
Bynum for somebody
Farmer and Evans for somebody
They could take Utah's spot next season...but I still dont see them getting out the 1st round
If the top teams out east all headed into the playoffs healthy, I dunno if Kobe even gets out the first round there
MIL, CLE, MIA, DET, WAS, CHI...He would have to get through those 6 to get to a finals...It still isnt any easier...but he probably would save the East(viewership wise)
Odom for jermaine
Bynum for somebody
Farmer and Evans for somebody
They could take Utah's spot next season...but I still dont see them getting out the 1st round
If the top teams out east all headed into the playoffs healthy, I dunno if Kobe even gets out the first round there
MIL, CLE, MIA, DET, WAS, CHI...He would have to get through those 6 to get to a finals...It still isnt any easier...but he probably would save the East(viewership wise)
BatiGOOOOOOL
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Hollywood_mIRC said:
What the NBA needs is to stop being such an individualistic league and start focusing on marketing the actual sport and teams and not the drama and showboating of a few of their stars. Of course you're gonna get burned when you only promote a handful of players that in the end are completely incapable of going far into the playoffs, let alone win anything of significance.
Like it was said in one of the last broadcasts between SA-UTAH. If the Spurs played a in a big market city, the league would've found the way to make them the league's savior a long time ago. But with the way the NBA works, they'll just continue to shove them aside to highlight a few plays. Meanwhile the ignorant fans will continue to frown on how boring the Spurs are and ejaculate at every single Kobe dunk while on his way to another first round exit.
The NBA got themselves into that hole.
teruterubozu
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Odom, Bynum, Farmer, Evans and Brown are all untradeable crap.
That's why Kobe wants out.
That's why Kobe wants out.
teruterubozu
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BatiGOOOOOOL said:
The NBA needs a legitimate team rivalry more than anything else.
jordan0386
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The NBA needs...less fairweather fans complaining on how poor it is
teruterubozu
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jordan0386 said:
Well then the NBA better do something about it...
jordan0386
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I dont see anything wrong with Pro hoop beyond low FG %...the game is fine, they should probably widen the baselines though
If they can raise and lower mounds in baseball, basketball could use a tweak
If they can raise and lower mounds in baseball, basketball could use a tweak
The NBA has a lot of problems: too many games, too many teams, not enough talent, playoffs take forever, and horrible marketing.BatiGOOOOOOL said:
But lets be honest. The Spurs are boring and people don't want to watch them. Nothing the NBA can do is going to change that. I think most people (not this thread) probably wanted to see the Suns win the whole thing.
jordan0386
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The things you listed are extreme personal preferences...I guess the game can use some tweaks, but I dunno
jordan0386
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Stern is counting the 50s and 100s...He is doing a fine job
jordan0386
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Attendance is up every year...global appeal grows every year...league pass subscriptions up every year
rule changes...every year...guess we can add that too:lol
rule changes...every year...guess we can add that too:lol
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
jordan0386 said:
he is a fine commish.. just let's not pretend like he doesn't try to tweak the game.. shoot he is the only commish that can just decide on his own.. baseball they have to contact the afterlife and discuss
jordan0386
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lol
The Chosen One
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Five Simple Ways to Fix the NBA
1). Any team who has 4 consecutive years with a regular season record under .400 gets their NBA franchise rights revoked.
2). Any team who can't manage at least 20 wins in a single season gets relegated to the NBDL. If they can't win the NBDL championship the next year, then they didn't deserve to be in the NBA in the first place.
3). In the playoffs, go back to 5 game series for the first round and re-seed after every round.
4). Get rid of touch fouls, so the game flows better. Too many games get bogged down due to endless trips to the foul line.
5). Bring the NBA back on NBC and have TNT do *all* the cable broadcasts. ESPN should stick to televising high school cheerleading.
1). Any team who has 4 consecutive years with a regular season record under .400 gets their NBA franchise rights revoked.
2). Any team who can't manage at least 20 wins in a single season gets relegated to the NBDL. If they can't win the NBDL championship the next year, then they didn't deserve to be in the NBA in the first place.
3). In the playoffs, go back to 5 game series for the first round and re-seed after every round.
4). Get rid of touch fouls, so the game flows better. Too many games get bogged down due to endless trips to the foul line.
5). Bring the NBA back on NBC and have TNT do *all* the cable broadcasts. ESPN should stick to televising high school cheerleading.
The Stealth Fox
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1) and 2) are absolutely retarded, unless this is some sort of joke...The Chosen One said:
If I'm LA management, I refuse any offer from Chicago that doesn't include Deng. I'd ask for Deng, Gordon, Nocioni, and possibly a pick. If Kobe balks (as I imagine he'd do, since he wants to go to a team that has an immediate chance to win a title), I'd just sit on him and let him suffer in LA. Just on principle.
Kobe's ridiculous "no trade clause" unfortunately allows him to wield way too much power in this situation. No player should be able to essentially dictate the terms of trades to both teams involved.
Kobe's ridiculous "no trade clause" unfortunately allows him to wield way too much power in this situation. No player should be able to essentially dictate the terms of trades to both teams involved.
The Chosen One
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Blackace said:
Lighten up.
Obviously I wasn't being serious. Especially 1 & 2.BatiGOOOOOOL
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Because that's the whole idea the NBA has imprinted in everyone's mind. If it's not fast paced, high flying, trash talking, chest thumping basketball, then it's boring.bionic77 said:
If someone has watched the Spurs play during this postseason and found them boring, then there's a big problem with the perception of the sport, because that's basketball at it's best on both ends of the floor. Too bad a league about basketball doesn't care enough about the game itself to highlight that.
The Chosen One said:
1-2 are obviously jokes, but I wouldn't mind seeing this. I wouldn't mind seeing something akin to the English Football League System of promotion and regulation in the NBA (and all sports) but there's just not enough to do it. Oh well.
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