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Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Thread - In Memory of Agent Zero

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im not "hating one the Suns" by saying that they are the one team that has no business complaining about flops, and it has nothing to do with the Lakers.
 
Dirk had a great year... he is MVP of the reg season and LVP of the playoffs... leave it at that...

to make this easier they should give the mvp and all otherawards before the playoffs start..
 
rc213 said:
It should be Fisher vs Divac
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Fisher wins in a close, hard fought battle. Divac gave everything he had, but just couldn't pull through.

Cassel and Battier looked on with the utmost respect from the stands.
 
Now that I see Divac being mentioned. Anyone hear about him getting sued big time in Europe for selling fake sporting articles? I heard it on the radio, but didn´t bother looking for an article.

Also...
Quote of the Day:
"When you go head against nose, unless it's me ... you have a lot of chances to win."
-- Spurs guard Manu Ginobili, explaining why Tony Parker survived his head-on collision with Steve Nash and poking fun at Manu's most famous facial feature in the process.
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Manu, you so awesome! <3

And I knew Phoenix was capable of scoring in a rush, but a 6 point play? o_O

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BatiGOOOOOOL said:
Gucci and Fendi? Even worst. How will he flop his way out of this one?

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Why did you edited it out?
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It didn't have anything do with fake sport articles, I thought sell fake Gucci bags was irrelevant.

BatiGOOOOOOL said:
That was just me not listening correctly to the news. He still is getting his ass sued anyway.
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Oh alright.
 
Gigglepoo said:
The voting already happened. Ballots were due before the playoffs started. It seems like everyone voted for Dirk. I don't really understand this. This was Nash's best season and the Suns would be a mess without him. Isn't that the definition of MVP?

I'm already getting angry...
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Yes, Nash has his best season, and might actually deserve the trophy this season. But since they robbed a deserving Shaq/Duncan and Dirk/Duncan over the last two seasons, they have no choice. If they give it to Nash, it will look like the pandering that it is. It might also be a little embarassing that someone who won three MVPs in a row won't ever make it to the Finals, much less win a championship. PEACE.
 
Andokuky said:
When did Bell become such a piece of shit? He should have gotten an easy flagrant for that foul on Manu.
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Bell gets away with murder on the court. He pretty much punched Manu in the face after he ****ed up on defense. He only did it to try and get Manu to miss some of his free throws as it is hard to make free throws after getting whacked in the face. It worked too because Manu missed one of them.

I used to think the Spurs whined a lot on the court, but the Suns make the Spurs look like Saints.

Overall, the refs let both teams get away with some physical pay in that series. I don't think Bell should be suspended for his free swipe at Manu, but you have to give bastards like that a tech so they won't try it again later on in the series. As long as Bell keeps on getting away with it he is going to keep doing it though.
 
bionic77 said:
Bell gets away with murder on the court. He pretty much punched Manu in the face after he ****ed up on defense. He only did it to try and get Manu to miss some of his free throws as it is hard to make free throws after getting whacked in the face. It worked too because Manu missed one of them.

I used to think the Spurs whined a lot on the court, but the Suns make the Spurs look like Saints.

Overall, the refs let both teams get away with some physical pay in that series. I don't think Bell should be suspended for his free swipe at Manu, but you have to give bastards like that a tech so they won't try it again later on in the series. As long as Bell keeps on getting away with it he is going to keep doing it though.
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I don't mind (even if it is raja bell)...this game needs some dirty play.
 
Love all the Laker fans jumping on the Spurs bandwagon. I know you guys are jealous that the Suns, and not your team, are clearly the team good enough to earn the privilege of getting its ass kicked by the Spurs, but this is taking it a bit far.
 
AstroLad said:
Love all the Laker fans jumping on the Spurs bandwagon. I know you guys are jealous that the Suns, and not your team, are clearly the team good enough to earn the privilege of getting its ass kicked by the Spurs, but this is taking it a bit far.
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Jealous of what exactly? The Suns are still going home, just a few weeks later then the Lakers. The Suns really have nothing to be jealous of, unless you are interested in a team that never seems to do anything when it counts.
 
Pimpwerx said:
Yes, Nash has his best season, and might actually deserve the trophy this season. But since they robbed a deserving Shaq/Duncan and Dirk/Duncan over the last two seasons, they have no choice. If they give it to Nash, it will look like the pandering that it is. It might also be a little embarassing that someone who won three MVPs in a row won't ever make it to the Finals, much less win a championship. PEACE.
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No more so than giving it to someone who just made history in the first round losing to an 8th seed, not to mention who barely showed up at all. Pick your poison.
 
bionic77 said:
Jealous of what exactly? The Suns are still going home, just a few weeks later then the Lakers. The Suns really have nothing to be jealous of, unless you are interested in a team that never seems to do anything when it counts.
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I don't know how I can make my post much more self-deprecating re the Suns and their chances, but clearly it wasn't enough.
 
Branduil said:
Thank you Rockets for making the Mavs not look so bad.
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Nothing in the world can make the Mavs not look so bad. The only way it could get worse for the Mavs is if Stern forces Dirk to accept the MVP trophy at a Warriors home game.
 
The human body can do some stuff, man!

Didnt see the game, but when I went to nba.com, I was like BBQ on the nose

Warriors by 7 tonight...25/5/5 for Diddy
 
AstroLad said:
I don't know how I can make my post much more self-deprecating re the Suns and their chances, but clearly it wasn't enough.
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It is hard to pick up on that stuff sometimes when you can't see the other person's face.
 
Pimpwerx said:
If they give it to Nash, it will look like the pandering that it is. It might also be a little embarassing that someone who won three MVPs in a row won't ever make it to the Finals, much less win a championship.
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It's embarrassing that he's won consecutive MVPs. The trifecta would just be adding insult to injury.

DMczaf said:
Nothing in the world can make the Mavs not look so bad. The only way it could get worse for the Mavs is if Stern forces Dirk to accept the MVP trophy at a Warriors home game.
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:lol :lol
 
All the folks ripping Dirk seem to have forootten that Nash would have been in the exact same situation if Tim Thomas didn't hit that 3 at the end of game 6 last year. His would have been worse since he single-handedly lost game 4 :lol
 
Anyone who still takes the MVP award with deathly seriousness must have not been paying much attention to the NBA the past fifteen years. The MVP award was a "joke" (to the self-proclaimed geniuses who love to analyze these things to death achieve arrive at some sort of always different pseudo-objective answer) long before Nash or Dirk. Seriously, if you're going to get worked up about something, get worked up about an actual game.
 
Cloudy said:
All the folks ripping Dirk seem to have forootten that Nash would have been in the exact same situation if Tim Thomas didn't hit that 3 at the end of game 6 last year. His would have been worse since he single-handedly lost game 4 :lol
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Players can lose in the first round and still be an MVP. I don't believe Dirk was the MVP based on his play in the regular season. I think both Kobe and Nash were far more important to their teams than Dirk.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Players can lose in the first round and still be an MVP. I don't believe Dirk was the MVP based on his play in the regular season. I think both Kobe and Nash were far more important to their teams than Dirk.
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kobe yes, nash maybe not. phoenix is stacked. the reason phoenix lost games without nash is because d'antoni is an idiot.
 
woodchuck said:
kobe yes, nash maybe not. phoenix is stacked. the reason phoenix lost games without nash is because d'antoni is an idiot.
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Dallas is stacked too...

If you replace Nash with an average point guard the Suns would be horrendous. Did you see how horrible their offense looked in the last minute yesterday? Imagine a whole season of that. There is a reason they become a contender when Nash showed up and why they stayed a contender when Amare was hurt.
 
But that's because the way the Suns run their offense without Nash is stupid, not because he is irreplaceable.

And this year makes it more clear than ever that if you can stop Dirk the Mavs are toast.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Dallas is stacked too...

If you replace Nash with an average point guard the Suns would be horrendous. Did you see how horrible their offense looked in the last minute yesterday? Imagine a whole season of that. There is a reason they become a contender when Nash showed up and why they stayed a contender when Amare was hurt.
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that's because they kept doing the same thing with barbosa that they do with nash. Barbosa isn't made for the pick and roll. Barbosa should just be given isolation on a wing and see what he can do.
 
Man, the way some people are talking about D'Antoni and Nash you'd think the Suns just got swept out of the first round. D'Antoni is a big reason the team is what it is and not some WC also-ran. I know people like to say that the Suns are so STACKED, but the entire WC is stacked. It takes more than a random collection of good players to make a good team. Also, most of those players have gotten tremendously better playing w/ D'Antoni and Nash. Experience and dedication play a large part, but to hold the presence of good players that have gotten leagues better under this system against D'Antoni and Nash is more than a little backward.

Seriously, the Suns are at-best a sixth seed without Nash. Anyone who watched them play without him know they are directionless and basically look like the end of that Spurs game for 48 minutes as someone else said and it's not b/c they're pigeonholing Barbosa. Doesn't matter who is running the show or how they are doing it they are just plain mediocre at best without Nash for the entire game.

This isn't an argument for his being the MVP either (as noted above, I think MVP discussions are silly), just speaking directly to what he means to the team.
 
Seriously, the Suns are at-best a sixth seed without Nash
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Oh please. They struggle w/o him cos D'Antoni refuses to develop a backup PG even though he has 2 guys that could start on most teams (Banks and Barbosa) on his bench. They rely so much on Nash to run their offense by choice not cos they don't have other talent at PG...
 
Cloudy said:
Oh please. They struggle w/o him cos D'Antoni refuses to develop a backup PG even though he has 2 guys that could start on most teams (Banks and Barbosa) on his bench. They rely so much on Nash to run their offense by choice not cos they don't have other talent at PG...
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Banks would suck balls on the Warriors.
 
Cloudy said:
Oh please. They struggle w/o him cos D'Antoni refuses to develop a backup PG even though he has 2 guys that could start on most teams (Banks and Barbosa) on his bench. They rely so much on Nash to run their offense by choice not cos they don't have other talent at PG...
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banks haha
 
Not to disparage Nash because I think he is a great player, but the Suns a sixth seed?

They seemed to do just fine against the 7th seed in the West without Nash on the court. Face it, the Suns are stacked. And teams that talented are going to win a lot of games. They would not win as many games without Nash, but you are exaggerating his importance.
 
Let's compare the PG talent of all 8 WC playoff teams:


Harris/Terry (And they both start)
Nash/Barbosa/Banks (Barbosa and Banks would start on most teams in the NBA)
Parker/Vaughn (who almost lost the game yesterday)
Deron/Fisher
Alston/Head (Head isn't even a PG)
AI/Blake (These 2 also both start cos there's nothing on the bench)
Farmar/Smush (It's so bad that they started a rookie in the playoffs)
Davis/Ellis

You Suns fans hate to hear it but Parker, Deron Williams, AI and Davis would not be any major downgrade on the Suns...
 
If anything, Duncan should win MVP. He probably has the highest +/- out of MVP candidates.

yup.

Duncan - 9.6
Dirk - 8.1 (highest efficiency)
Nash - 7.9
 
Cloudy said:
Let's compare the PG talent of all 8 WC playoff teams:


Harris/Terry (And they both start)
Nash/Barbosa/Banks (Barbosa and Banks would start on most teams in the NBA)
Parker/Vaughn (who almost lost the game yesterday)
Deron/Fisher
Alston/Head (Head isn't even a PG)
AI/Blake (These 2 also both start cos there's nothing on the bench)
Farmar/Smush (It's so bad that they started a rookie in the playoffs)
Davis/Ellis

You Suns fans hate to hear it but Parker, Deron Williams, AI and Davis would not be any major downgrade on the Suns...
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AI and Davis would be terrible fits for the Suns. This has nothing to do with whether one player is better than the other, just fit.
 
Marcus Banks SUCKS. Terrible move by the Suns, and they will pay for this move when trying to deal with salary cap issues.

Who cares which player is the "best"? It all how about how players fit into the system they are in.

The ultimate goal is to have the best team.
 
woodchuck said:
If anything, Duncan should win MVP. He probably has the highest +/- out of MVP candidates.
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People are going to call me crazy, but Duncan hasn't looked like himself since they won the championship in 2005. I don't know if he is not yet fully recovered or what the problem is, but he is not as effective on offense as he used to be. At times I see guys like Nene and Stoudamire pushing him around and making him ineffective. The old Duncan was pretty much unstoppable.

He can still get it done, but he isn't as good as he used to be.
 
bionic77 said:
People are going to call me crazy, but Duncan hasn't looked like himself since they won the championship in 2005. I don't know if he is not yet fully recovered or what the problem is, but he is not as effective on offense as he used to be. At times I see guys like Nene and Stoudamire pushing him around and making him ineffective. The old Duncan was pretty much unstoppable.

He can still get it done, but he isn't as good as he used to be.
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I agree, but the sad thing for all of us is he's still the best power forward in the league.
 
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