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Reyes was a fantastic player for us until the Neville brothers used him for a second football in that infamous clash in '04. He was never the same after that.


Mama Smurf said:
I wouldn't call the final last year a classic, but it was definitely a good one. Not for Arsenal fans.

Eh, I enjoyed the final...it was fun watching the upstart team outplay the supposed all conquering Spanish outfit for 70 minutes a man down. Still, the game wasn't nearly as good as it could've been thanks to our disadvantage, along with Barca's lack of flow (till Larsson came on).

As far as I'm concerned, as long as AC Milan (match fixers) or Chelsea (scum) don't get to the final, I'm good. Which is why I suspect that will be the final. :lol
 
I'm jumping the gun (as usual), but the European Championship qualifiers start up again this month, after a 5 1/2 month absence.

England have two important away games, to Israel (24th) and Andorra (28th). Andorra won't be a problem, but Israel could be. They only just lost 4-3 at home to Croatia, drew away to Russia and beat Estonia and Andorra. They only just missed out on qualifying for the WC, finishing level on points with Switzerland, a point ahead of Rep. of Ireland and 2 points behind France. They were unbeaten too, drawing home and away to all three opf those teams i've just mentioned. They are not to be underestimated.

I bring this up because Crouch is having an operation on his nose which will keep him out of those games. That's no surprise, we tend to get a load of injuries whenever we need our players. With Owen, Crouch and Ashton out, I guess we'll be taking Rooney, Bent, Johnson and Defoe.

If we don't get any more injuries (haha...oh and Beckham's out, saved McClaren a decision), we'll probably play this:

---------------------Robinson-----------------------

Neville---------Terry-------Ferdinand--------Cole

Gerrard----Hargreaves----Lampard------Lennon

--------------Rooney---------Johnson--------------

That's not the team I would play, but thanks to Jol playing Lennon on the left, McClaren will take the excuse to again feel he doesn't have to drop one of Lampard and Gerrard. And Robinson's still crap.
 
Shinobi said:
Reyes was a fantastic player for us until the Neville brothers used him for a second football in that infamous clash in '04. He was never the same after that.

I ****ing hate the Neville brothers.
 
ac milan vs bayern
psv vs liverpool
as roma vs man united
chelsea vs valencia

Id like to say that valencia would go through and I do reckon that they have a good chance, but Ive got a feeling that chelsea will get to the finals this year. Im so happy that we didnt draw chelsea. It looked like it was very possible when chelsea, valencia and united were the only names in the pot. Roma are a nice side to be drawn against. They wont be easier, but we have waht it takes to beat them. Being drawn against Roma was the best thing. If we do get through this round the semi final is going to be very tough. Ac Milan and Bayern will be very tough opponents. Id rather play Bayern than AC Milan. milan have got a tight defence and their midfield keep posession well. We dont have a very good midfield to cope with Milans 4 man central midfield. Either way it will be tough.
 
Shinobi said:
Reyes was a fantastic player for us until the Neville brothers used him for a second football in that infamous clash in '04. He was never the same after that.




Eh, I enjoyed the final...it was fun watching the upstart team outplay the supposed all conquering Spanish outfit for 70 minutes a man down. Still, the game wasn't nearly as good as it could've been thanks to our disadvantage, along with Barca's lack of flow (till Larsson came on).

As far as I'm concerned, as long as AC Milan (match fixers) or Chelsea (scum) don't get to the final, I'm good. Which is why I suspect that will be the final. :lol

what a myth, Ronaldo gets that off every team every game, he then has the fans on his back an even refs for diving. he's doing ok though.

I have seen worse challenges dished out everywhere, this "2nd football" metaphor is such an urban legend amongst arsenal fans now who want to moan, hate and blame others for their shortcomings.

typical.

I guess thats the difference between Utd and Arsenal fans, we blame ourselves first and almost exclusively whereas Arsenal blame others almost exclusively.

Even after an amazing run of wins we're trying to pick holes in our performance and criticising our manager and players, tactics etc in pursuit of the perfect game. (not that I think thats a good way to do it). Thats the divide between big and small club though eh? ;)
 
Shinobi said:
Reyes was a fantastic player for us until the Neville brothers used him for a second football in that infamous clash in '04. He was never the same after that.
:lol Arsenal have never been the same after that. It makes us mancs love the neviller even more and it reminds the arse and the scoucers why he's the most hated english player in the current england team

EDIT: I forgot about Jenas.
 
kaizoku said:
what a myth, Ronaldo gets that off every team every game, he then has the fans on his back an even refs for diving. he's doing ok though.

I have seen worse challenges dished out everywhere, this "2nd football" metaphor is such an urban legend amongst arsenal fans now who want to moan, hate and blame others for their shortcomings.

typical.

I guess thats the difference between Utd and Arsenal fans, we blame ourselves first and almost exclusively whereas Arsenal blame others almost exclusively.

Even after an amazing run of wins we're trying to pick holes in our performance and criticising our manager and players, tactics etc in pursuit of the perfect game. (not that I think thats a good way to do it). Thats the divide between big and small club though eh? ;)
When reyes played United, you could tell that the neviller was trying to hurt him. At times is was baltantly obvious that neville was trying to get him and not the ball. It was a to8ugh game for him, but despite that i do agree that Reyes should have been able to pick himself up, but he never had the mentality to do it. Thats the difference with ronaldo. No matter what is thrown at him he'll always pick himself up and do better.

You are making United sound like the perfect club. Saying that United always critise themselves until they are perfect is completely wrong. Can you please tell me a time that anyone has criticised fergie or the rest of the squad this season or any of our title winning seasons for that matter? We've been playing amazing, but no one from our side has made any criticism. The only time anyone was ciriticised was after we lost to southend.

I love United and think that they're a great club, but you really are making them sound like they can do no wrong.
 
I'm worried/confident about the FA Cup tie against Man City this weekend. It's strange, I keep switching.

I know we can beat City, they haven't beaten us for ages and we've beaten them twice comfortably already this season. We're in form, they're not, we're at home. We got here by beating Everton, Luton and Arsenal, they got here by beating Sheffield Wednesday, Southampton and Preston.

Basically, everything is in our favour, so that's what the confidence comes in. I worry though, because we can lose to any Premiership team. We've already lost to Charlton, Watford and West Ham this season, and those are the 3 bottom teams in the league and likely to be relegated.

We're playing 3rd this weekend, after Middlesbrough v Man Utd and Chelsea v Tottenham, and I'll be sooooooo mad if one (or even both) of the big two go out and we don't make it through.
 
Henry's out for the season, and Adebayor has been suspended for an extra game for not leaving the pitch. Wenger's going to ****ing love that.
 
Mama Smurf said:
We're playing 3rd this weekend, after Middlesbrough v Man Utd and Chelsea v Tottenham, and I'll be sooooooo mad if one (or even both) of the big two go out and we don't make it through.
I can see man utd struggling tomorrow. We've only got one fit striker. Alan smith doesnt count as one because he's not played a game in ages. We've had problems with brough in the past, so we could find it difficult at the riverside.
 
Shinobi said:
As far as I'm concerned, as long as AC Milan (match fixers) or Chelsea (scum)

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Poor guys (kids), lost everything this year?

Arse-let's-create-an-infinite-number-of-chances-and-not-score-nal.
 
psycho_snake said:
When reyes played United, you could tell that the neviller was trying to hurt him. At times is was baltantly obvious that neville was trying to get him and not the ball. It was a to8ugh game for him, but despite that i do agree that Reyes should have been able to pick himself up, but he never had the mentality to do it. Thats the difference with ronaldo. No matter what is thrown at him he'll always pick himself up and do better.

You are making United sound like the perfect club. Saying that United always critise themselves until they are perfect is completely wrong. Can you please tell me a time that anyone has criticised fergie or the rest of the squad this season or any of our title winning seasons for that matter? We've been playing amazing, but no one from our side has made any criticism. The only time anyone was ciriticised was after we lost to southend.

I love United and think that they're a great club, but you really are making them sound like they can do no wrong.

I've spent all morning on forums which have been mostly criticising fergie's negative/naive tactics.

criticism of our thin squad is pretty much constant.

the other half are moaning about rooney's form, some blame, fergie, some blame carlos, some blame the WC etc etc

today is rather a negative day actually, lots of people feel we are in no position to beat anyone in the champions league, hell we're gonna struggle at boro and blackburn.

today's hot topic is why we fail to impose our game in europe since 1999, why we dont play fast flowing attacking football anymore, as if we're scared or negative. people are worried fergie will think 0-0 away from home is a good result and come back to OT expecting a win. any score draw then means we're out, 0-0 away leg first is a horrible result.

this has nothing to do with being perfect, the team is winning and we're top of the league but some fans just are never happy, its hardly perfect.
 
Better Arse-let's-create-an-infinite-number-of-chances-and-not-score-nal than Mi-we-win-games-through-corruption-and-don't-get-punished-lan.

EDIT: Some fans never stop complaining. I, on the other hand, can't go to Blackburn forums for the opposite reason...fans saying we're good enough to get into the Champions League, saying Beckham was going to come to Ewood....god...
 
Mama Smurf said:
Better Mi-we-win-games-through-corruption-and-don't-get-punished-lan.


:lol :lol :lol


Do we win the games through corruption in CL too? Why are we the best ranked team in Europe?
 
You win matches in Serie A through corruption -> you get more money from winning things/finishing higher -> fans like to watch a winning team so you get even more money -> you can afford better players because of this money -> the players you can afford want to come because you're a winning team -> the better players you get and the more successful you are, even better players still want to join -> you have a team who can compete amongst the best in Europe, even without bring able to bribe refs their.

Maybe you would be a great side if you played fair, but we don't know that because the corruption at one level results in success at the next.
 
Mama Smurf said:
Henry's out for the season, and Adebayor has been suspended for an extra game for not leaving the pitch. Wenger's going to ****ing love that.
I just want to cry :(

Of course I knew the FA was gonna do that. I am actually a bit surprised, because I expected that they would ban Adebayor for an extra 3 games or so.
Wenger's verdict still to come, I predict a 10 game touchline ban.

He's will be furious, I don't even want to know what thoughts are running through his head now. Please don't quit.

Lakitu said:

:lol

that does cheer me up though

edit: your nose must be extra brown today kaizoku. At least it will save you some money for not having to use the solarium any time soon. no offence.
 
I am sad that Henry is out for the rest of the season, but it's probably for the best at this point:

- Henry's been dinged all season, and his game has suffered because of it (as have Arsenal.) It'll be good for him to get a long layoff to completely recover (hopefully) before the 2007-2008 season.

- It gives the younger strikers a chance to make their mark - Adebayor needs the time up front to continue to settle his game. Aliadiere and Baptista are playing for their spots on the team - if they don't play well, they can leave. Walcott may get a few minutes up top, as well.

- I think we have enough to take 4th and challenge for 3rd and maybe 2nd even if he's not in the lineup. (Wenger noted that we've earned more points in the League than any other squad since December 1st of 2006.) If we still had FA Cup and Champs League ties, I think we'd be missing him a lot more. It's as good a time as any.

- Domenech can kiss my ass. How'd playing Henry in lots of meaningless friendlies work out for you?!? Kinda sucks to not have him when you need him, eh?

- Overall, I just hope it doesn't mess with Henry's head. His frustration at the situation all season has been noticeable, and I worry that this will hurt his mindset even more. Hopefully he comes back rested both mentally and physically at the beginning of next season.
 
good post Cornballer. I agree, and I think this could be very positive for Henry in disguise.

If everything goes well he will have the first good preparation for a season in 3 years, without being tired or injured. And I actually think that he will come back with a vengeance - anyone thinking he's past it will be in for a surprise next year if he doesn't get injured again.

WE'RE GONNA WIN THE LEAGUE!
 
It's going to be hard to catch Chelsea, but you need an aim. Even if you win your game in hand and beat them and Man Utd beat them, you're still 2 points behind. Luckily those three things aren't ridiculous...more likely not to happen than to, but there's an okay chance.

Unfortunately Chelsea have slightly easier fixtures remaining. The only real ray of light is that Chelsea have quite a number of relegation candidates to face, and at this stage of the season that can be worst than mid-table teams.
 
kaizoku said:
I've spent all morning on forums which have been mostly criticising fergie's negative/naive tactics.

criticism of our thin squad is pretty much constant.

the other half are moaning about rooney's form, some blame, fergie, some blame carlos, some blame the WC etc etc

today is rather a negative day actually, lots of people feel we are in no position to beat anyone in the champions league, hell we're gonna struggle at boro and blackburn.

today's hot topic is why we fail to impose our game in europe since 1999, why we dont play fast flowing attacking football anymore, as if we're scared or negative. people are worried fergie will think 0-0 away from home is a good result and come back to OT expecting a win. any score draw then means we're out, 0-0 away leg first is a horrible result.

this has nothing to do with being perfect, the team is winning and we're top of the league but some fans just are never happy, its hardly perfect.
There has been quite a bit of criticism regarding our depth in squad and rooney's form. Our teams recent form has been a cause for concern too. I completely forgot about the criticism that United receieved this season. So far everything has been going so well that you forget about the things that we've done wrong this season.

Im not sure how you can criticise fergie's tactics this season. We've not played as well as we have this season for a very long time and part of that is due to fergie going back to a 4-4-2. I dont think we look to get a draw away, its just that we cant properly impose ourselves against CL opposition when we play away. Even at home we struggle to do so. Thats more down to the players rather than the tactics.
 
ac milan vs bayern
psv vs liverpool
as roma vs man united
chelsea vs valencia


I hope we can play well vs Roma hopefully by then we will have our strikers fit again as I hear both Ole and Saha will be ready by the Blackburn game. We have Larsson for one more game tommrow so hopefully we can win. Id do just about anything for Rooney to find his form right now...
 
hadareud said:
good post Cornballer. I agree, and I think this could be very positive for Henry in disguise.

If everything goes well he will have the first good preparation for a season in 3 years, without being tired or injured. And I actually think that he will come back with a vengeance - anyone thinking he's past it will be in for a surprise next year if he doesn't get injured again.

WE'RE GONNA WIN THE LEAGUE!

Next year will be the best season in ages in my opinion, Arsenal's young guns will have gained some much needed experience and Henry / Van Persie will be back, add to that new signings and debuts by other players (Merida ?), if they keep on playing with the amount of confidence they have and have that finishing touch, they will be serious challengers.

Man Utd with the confidence of this season, establishment of their team + plus new signings, they're obvious challengers.

Chelsea, with all the money they have, they're obviously going to be making some big naming signings this summer to strengthen their team, plus their hope to improve their youth system.

Liverpool, been purchasing quite a lot of youngsters this year, and I believe they're get a chance to shine next season (Duran, Leto, Brouwer, Padelli and more), as well as some important signings we're expected to make during the summer especially the important finisher we need.

The big 4 will all be serious challengers next year, and it'll be very interesting.

Plus I expect a few teams to get closer to them next season, including Tottenham, Everton, Newcastle, Blackburn and Villa among a few. Maybe Bolton if they continue their form of this season. It'll be great.
 
AC Milan vs Bayern Munchen
PSV vs Liverpool
AS Roma vs Man Unit
Chelsea vs Valencia


a.k.a. The death of the English teams ^^.
 
Mama Smurf said:
It's going to be hard to catch Chelsea, but you need an aim. Even if you win your game in hand and beat them and Man Utd beat them, you're still 2 points behind. Luckily those three things aren't ridiculous...more likely not to happen than to, but there's an okay chance.

Unfortunately Chelsea have slightly easier fixtures remaining. The only real ray of light is that Chelsea have quite a number of relegation candidates to face, and at this stage of the season that can be worst than mid-table teams.
absolutely, it's not actually very realistic if you look at the fixtures (bolded the ones that could potentially be tricky):

Chelsea:
Wednesday, 14 March 2007
Man City v Chelsea, 20:00


Saturday, 17 March 2007
Chelsea v Sheff Utd, 15:00

Saturday, 31 March 2007
Watford v Chelsea, 17:15

Saturday, 07 April 2007
Chelsea v Tottenham, 12:45

Sunday, 15 April 2007
Chelsea v Man Utd, 13:30


Saturday, 21 April 2007
Newcastle v Chelsea, 15:00


Saturday, 28 April 2007
Chelsea v Bolton, 15:00

Saturday, 05 May 2007
Arsenal v Chelsea, 15:00


Sunday, 13 May 2007
Chelsea v Everton, 15:00

Arsenal:
Wednesday, 14 March 2007
Aston Villa v Arsenal, 19:45


Sunday, 18 March 2007
Everton v Arsenal, 16:00


Saturday, 31 March 2007
Liverpool v Arsenal, 12:45


Saturday, 07 April 2007
Arsenal v West Ham, 15:00

Monday, 09 April 2007
Newcastle v Arsenal, 15:00


Saturday, 14 April 2007
Arsenal v Bolton, 15:00

Saturday, 21 April 2007
Tottenham v Arsenal, 15:00


Saturday, 28 April 2007
Arsenal v Fulham, 15:00

Saturday, 05 May 2007
Arsenal v Chelsea, 15:00


Sunday, 13 May 2007
Portsmouth v Arsenal, 15:00

looking at it like this, it's nearly impossible to overtake them. Arsenal have by far the harder run in.

If it was to happen we need to win every single game - the quality is there, but we need a lot of luck too.
 
Lakitu said:
Next year will be the best season in ages in my opinion, Arsenal's young guns will have gained some much needed experience and Henry / Van Persie will be back, add to that new signings and debuts by other players (Merida ?), if they keep on playing with the amount of confidence they have and have that finishing touch, they will be serious challengers.

Man Utd with the confidence of this season, establishment of their team + plus new signings, they're obvious challengers.

Chelsea, with all the money they have, they're obviously going to be making some big naming signings this summer to strengthen their team, plus their hope to improve their youth system.

Liverpool, been purchasing quite a lot of youngsters this year, and I believe they're get a chance to shine next season (Duran, Leto, Brouwer, Padelli and more), as well as some important signings we're expected to make during the summer especially the important finisher we need.

The big 4 will all be serious challengers next year, and it'll be very interesting.

Plus I expect a few teams to get closer to them next season, including Tottenham, Everton, Newcastle, Blackburn and Villa among a few. Maybe Bolton if they continue their form of this season. It'll be great.
I think the same way before every season, but I think this time it could be really quite special, you're right. Wouldn't it be great if 4 teams were in the chase right until the end? Especially if Chelsea come in 4th and Arsenal win.
 
Whats the timetable on Van Persie's return? And also when is Rosicky back?

sucks to here that henry is out for the season... we will probably finish 4th in the EPL even with 2 games at hand. We'll probably draw some of those road games that we SHOULD win.

oh well, we'll be in champions league again next year.
 
phfresno said:
Whats the timetable on Van Persie's return? And also when is Rosicky back?
This is by no means accurate, but this site guesses March 14th for Rosicky and April 7th for Van Persie. I think both of those are optimistic.

Looking at the schedule, it's going to be hard for Arsenal to overtake Chelsea, but no reason not to aim for that. They need something to provide some focus on the run in to the end of the season.
 
Lakitu said:
Rosicky will be back for the Liverpool match then, **** :(


Liverpool vs. Arsenal is my favorite EPL game to watch every season. My buddy is a die hard Liverpool fan, and me.... well I'll be in my away yellow henry jersey! :D
 
Multiplex handed over the keys to Wembley to the FA at midnight.

newwembleyjw9.jpg


Tickets go on sale on Monday for the first match to be held there, an Under 21 International. £10 each apparently. Tempted to go have a look around :D
 
Yazan said:
:lol :lol :lol


Do we win the games through corruption in CL too? Why are we the best ranked team in Europe?

You shouldn't even be in Europe this season.

Anyway

ac milan vs bayern
psv vs liverpool
as roma vs man united
chelsea vs valencia

same as Ryck. COME ON United v Scouse Bin tippers final!

I'm kinda worried about our lack of strikers though... Dong is in the squad tomorrow. He's played well in the preseason games the past two years. No idea how he's been doing in the reserves.
 
Bayern have been Milan's bitch since the 02-03 season and that fact isn't likely to change anytime soon, and oh yeah, Man U too, remember the last time Milan faced them? :D

Milan vs Roma in the Semi
Chelsea vs PSV in the Semi

My predictions
 
kaizoku said:
what a myth, Ronaldo gets that off every team every game, he then has the fans on his back an even refs for diving. he's doing ok though.

I have seen worse challenges dished out everywhere, this "2nd football" metaphor is such an urban legend amongst arsenal fans now who want to moan, hate and blame others for their shortcomings.

typical.

I guess thats the difference between Utd and Arsenal fans, we blame ourselves first and almost exclusively whereas Arsenal blame others almost exclusively.

Even after an amazing run of wins we're trying to pick holes in our performance and criticising our manager and players, tactics etc in pursuit of the perfect game. (not that I think thats a good way to do it). Thats the divide between big and small club though eh? ;)

If you can tell me what your boyfriend Ronaldo has to do with the Neville boys kicking Reyes six feet into the air, then feel free to let me know. Otherwise learn to stay on topic. And er, try to stay consistent too...first you say "what a myth", then you say "b-but my boyfriend got it ten times as bad!" Well which is it sunshine? Either it happened or it didn't. It's kinda hard to get ten times something that doesn't exist, is it not? Or do you use special math?

Reyes got done in pretty well that match...that's a fact that even Man U fans who can see straight agree with. The difference between Reyes and most players who've gone through such a baptism is that he couldn't take it. He also isn't good in cold weather. In short, he simply wasn't tough enough to deal with the Prem, as his ridiculous diving antics proved.

CR on the other hand, can take the physical play. He doesn't mope and cry like a little girl anymore. He's toughened up, stays on his feet a lot more, and as a result even netreuls who previously hated the pretty boy (or still do) say he's as good as any player in the world. That's what a change in attitude can do for a player. Of course, he still dives...did it at Borough, did it at White Fart Lane. Of course you're gonna tell me that I'm just a biased Arsenal fan who'd rather defend Tottenham if it meant knocking your crush, but nobody's gonna take it anymore seriously than anything else you type.

The rest of your post isn't even worth dealing with...just remember which team bagged the double over whom this year. And also remember that our core midfield has the next ten years ahead of them, while half of yours will be dealing with Freedom 55 in a matter of months.


Yazan said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Poor guys (kids), lost everything this year?

Arse-let's-create-an-infinite-number-of-chances-and-not-score-nal.

At least we don't have to buy our victories. Nor do we give up three goal leads in seven minutes. :lol Glad you've validated my hatred for that corrupt squad.


Cornballer said:
- Domenech can kiss my ass. How'd playing Henry in lots of meaningless friendlies work out for you?!? Kinda sucks to not have him when you need him, eh?

Word...he's a complete and utter clown. France basically got to the World Cup final in spite of that idiot.


hadareud said:
absolutely, it's not actually very realistic if you look at the fixtures (bolded the ones that could potentially be tricky):

The funny thing about your post is that the three games you didn't bold are three of the five teams that have beaten us in the Prem this year. :lol
 
I don't think Arsenal have the cajones to catch Chelsea this season, who are more likely to finish 1st than 3rd, unless they suffer some kind of huge setback.

Shinobi - I've apparently pressed your buttons too often cos you keep resorting to undermining my personality/opinion with things like "your boyfriend Ronaldo" or "no one takes you seriously". Is that your foundation for a serious response? I think its your arguments I can't be bothered dealing with mate. I'll stop teasing the arsenal now, its not so fun when your team's kind of irrelevent anyway. :P

MrPing100 - Dong isn't good enough yet. Give him some time to adapt to the country etc, but his reserve appearances have been awful. Nowhere near as good as the likes of Rossi, Blake, Campbell etc. Blake didn't even make it and many Utd fans even doubt Rossi will make it. He wont play unless something crazy happens, I doubt he will be on the bench. He did do well in pre-season though, looked fast, confident, decent dribbler and good finisher.

Summer should be good, wonder if Mourinho will go, Ronaldo is staying, Hargreaves looks like its in the bag if we raise the cash and Torres is gonna be on the move, as is Villa. Maybe.
 
Shinobi said:
The funny thing about your post is that the three games you didn't bold are three of the five teams that have beaten us in the Prem this year. :lol
:lol I know.

But I think we'll win our home games, even against Bolton the jinx should be broken now.
 
kaizoku said:
Shinobi - I've apparently pressed your buttons too often cos you keep resorting to undermining my personality/opinion with things like "your boyfriend Ronaldo" or "no one takes you seriously". Is that your foundation for a serious response? I think its your arguments I can't be bothered dealing with mate. I'll stop teasing the arsenal now, its not so fun when your team's kind of irrelevent anyway. :P

:lol For a team that's so irrelevant, you sure love to cover them with paragraphs.

You post in a way that's clearly design to get a rise out of me, so I simply give you what you want, then raise it up a few degrees just to see how you like it. Which (unsurprisingly) you invarably don't. As far as dealing with my arguments go you hardly do half the time anyway, so that's nothing new.

Don't prod a hornet's nest with a stick, then cry that you got stung. And don't think it's a personal thing either, because that's simply overrating yourself. I simply respond to people how they respond to me. To almost everyone else in the thread, I'm overly civil. But if you're gonna respond to my views as conjured myths, delusions or other such slights, then I'm going to respond in kind. It's not rocket science.

Oh BTW...

manutd17092006_800.jpg


wallpaper_manu_800x600.jpg


...just in case you forgot.
 
Shinobi said:
manutd17092006_800.jpg


wallpaper_manu_800x600.jpg


...just in case you forgot.

You guys make wallpapers out of victorious matches against us?

This reminds me of the time when I was 15 and United lost 5-0 to Newcastle, who was our fiercest rival at that time. So, after a couple of weeks, one of my friends who is a Newcastle fan, brought the latest issue of the official Newcastle magazine to school. Attached to it was a poster that showed images of the goals from that match as well as the individual portraits of the players who had scored those goals. At that time, I commented that it's just sad that since Newcastle can never beat us to the Premiership title, their fans have just got to celebrate the lesser victories against us. In contrast, during those years when I was faithfully buying the official Man United magazine every month, there wasn't a single poster that celebrated a victory against any single one club. It was all about our own players and the trophies. Good times. :lol
 
Hell of a lot of United fans told me they were the better side when Blackburn won the title because they'd beaten us everytime we played that year...
 
BTW, United's injury crisis is the worst ever. By which I mean, I don't think it even deserves the name crisis.

Thanks to the internationals at the end of this month, there are less games than there might normally be coming up for United. Their next game is today, obviously, against Middlesbrough in the FA Cup, (they actually then have the friendly against a Europe XI, but having strikers fit for that doesn't matter) then at home to Bolton on Saturday, then a two week gap until they're at home to Blackburn in the Premiership.

So Middlesbrough's not a problem, Rooney's fit and Larsson's playing his last United game. Then, both Solskjaer and Saha are on course to be fit for the Blackburn game, and consequently the Roma game which is next.

So really, the only game where you might be short on strikers is Bolton. And even then you have Alan Smith. You can say he's not match fit, but how on earth is he going to get match fit if he doesn't play games. Getting most or maybe even all of the match against Bolton might get him there and give you another option up front for the rest of the season. He already played 15 minutes against Lille and I would be surprised if we didn't see him today too, plus there's the Europe friendly on Tuesday. 15 minutes against Lille, half an hour today, 45-60 minutes on Tuesday and he's ready for Bolton.

You know, I've spoken a lot about Liverpool and Arsenal transfer targets this summer, but not too much about United. I'll have a little think about that.
 
Sorry about the multiple posts btw, I know I could edit but then I'd have really long posts that some people wouldn't feel like reading. Also, when typing something as long as this is bound to be, I could be editing a post which is like 5 posts back now and people might not even see.

I will talk about United, but I want to talk about Newcastle first. I was thinking about one of United's potential target's, Gareth Bale, and thinking how he'd be better going to somewhere like Newcastle initially.

I used to really like Newcastle, fun team to watch. There was a time when they had Shearer, Les Ferdinand, Asprilla and Ginola and they were fantastic. Now they just infuriate me. A combination of their players being injured all the time (which I do not believe is just down to bad luck as it's gone on far too long, whether it's their pitch or their training ground or the amount they train or whatever, ****ing sort it out), using all the money to buy forwards when they need defenders and doing far worse than they should be with the players they have really gets on my tits. Oh, and in the past they've spent stupid money on useless players, like Luque or Boumsong.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I think next season they're going to turn it around. They're going to buy defenders this summer, have a normal amount of injuries and play like they should.

They have good players already, in a lot of positions. A lot of people say Shay Given is the best keeper in the Premiership, and even those who don't will admit he's right up there. In midfield Parker's one of the better defensive midfield players around, Emre is a great passer, Solano puts in good crosses and Duff can still be dangerous to any team. Up front Martins has been a success, already scoring 16 goals this year and could easily break the 20 mark and Owen, when fit, will almost certainly break the 20 mark.

They don't actually have the worst defensive record in the Premiership this season, not by a long shot. But I put that down to their team having to defend more as a whole and players like Given and Parker/Butt than I do their actual defence. And given the amount of money they have and spend, they should have a lower goals conceded number.

I genuinely believe that, with a little bit of luck and some new defenders, Newcastle have what it takes to challenge the top 4. They wouldn't be favourites to make it into the top 4, but they, along with Tottenham, have the money and players to capitalise on any slip ups from any of those teams.

Now I've heard Emre might be sold in the summer because of his alleged racist comments, so I'm going to leave him out of things, but I'm not convinced it's true and wouldn't be surprised if he stays.

Here's my Newcastle team:

-------------------Given-------------------

--------------------------Moore-----------

Solano------Dyer------Parker-------Duff

-------------Owen------Martins-----------

Personally, I'd scrap their whole defence, but I doubt they're going to do that. There's more of a chance of 3 defenders coming in and them keeping one of the current ones, which would help a lot, but I can't decide who I'd keep. I've gone with Craig Moore, but only beccause he's been injured for most of his time at Newcaslte so I can't really blame him.

They have pretty good reserves as well:

Given - Harper
(their current defence would become their reserve defence, so Babayaro, Bramble, Taylor, Carr etc)
Solano - Milner
Dyer - Emre/new attacking creative player bought with money from Emre's sale
Parker - Butt
Duff - N'Zogbia
Owen - Ameobi
Martins - Sibierski

Now, who to buy. First of all, try and get Gareth Bale. For those who don't know, he's a Welsh 17 year old left back who currently plays for Southampton. He's a free kick specialist and I believe he's recently won young championship player of the year. Now it's going to be tough to get him, apparently United and Spurs put in bids in January, but he decided to wait until the summer to see what his options are. Arsenal and Liverpool are also hovering around and Spurs' bid was reportedly £10m, so it's going to be at least that much. Now you might ask, why would Bale goes to Newcastle over these other teams? On the face of it, no one's going to join Newcastle if United come in for them too. However, if he thinks about it sensibly, Newcastle might be a better choice.

First of all, he's 17. Just 18 by the time next season starts. He can sign for a 4 year contract at a club like Newcastle and either be free to leave when he's 22 or more likely be sold if he's refusing to sign a new contract at 21. That's still really young and a lot of time to play for one of the best sides. Or, if things are going great at Newcastle, he can stay there if he's happy. The second reason is...will he actually play at the bigger sides? United have Evra, probably the best left back in the league. Yeah, he replaced Heinze himself, oen of the former best left backs in the league so it's possible, but it seems to me more like United would be buying Bale as a player for the future. Liverpool have quite a few players who can play at left back too. Will he displace Riise? Perhaps, perhaps not. Probably has a better chance than with Evra, but I wouldn't say he's guaranteed first team football yet. At Arsenal it depends how much Wenger rates Clichy. I would say they're his best chance as a big side, but will they really pay that much money for him? And still, no guarantees of first team.

If he's thinking like that, and just wants to establish himself, Newcastle or Spurs would be the better choice. A hard decision, I would say both could afford equal wages, both have strong chances of Europe, both have good players to play with. Newcastle have the larger stadium, better fanbase and you're more likely to become a hero, but Tottenham have a good stadium too and are situated in London. I don't care what Newcastle have to do, they need to make sure THEY get him.

Okay, so that's player 1. Two more to go, and quite a lot of money has been spent getting Bale. That's okay though, thanks to the wonders of relegated teams.

This is jumping the gun, West Ham aren't even relegated yet, but Lucas Neill should be available on a free. Definitely pick him up, Newcastle will be a side which appeal to him and he plays in positions which most of the big teams have well covered, even Spurs. Chelsea still want a right back, but have shown no inclination to buy Neill before so I don't expect them to this summer either. Liverpool will no longer be interested, they've bought Arebola and are probably pissed of at Neill turning them down anyway.

Now the question is, is Neill going to play right back or centre back? That very much depends on who else they get. If Upson has a release clause (or if West Ham are just willing to sell), get him for centre back and play Neill at right back. If not, Charlton may well be willing to sell Luke Young, their right back. Another possibility is Anton Ferdinand, but I suspect West Ham are going to try to get as much money as possible for him.

So their new team would either be:

-------------------Given------------------

Neill-------Upson-------Moore------Bale

Solano-----Dyer-------Parker------Duff

------------Owen-------Martins----------

or

-------------------Given------------------

Young------Neill--------Moore------Bale

Solano-----Dyer-------Parker------Duff

------------Owen-------Martins----------

Also, if Emre does go a possibility might Sidwell, who's had a great season at Reading but has yet to sign a new contract and might be able to leave on a free this summer. He's said he might still stay at Reading though, given how well they've done.

Then, if they have any money left, they can feel free to buy Crouch or Ahston or Bent or whoever.

I think that's a really strong side. Maybe not the finished article, but easily good enough to take 5th/6th place and then maybe the next summer they can use their money to buy a couple of really good players to finish it off and push for the CL. Of course, their worry then might be that Owen only has a year left on his contract and if he's not signing, they might have to sell or risk losing all that money they paid for him. At 28 he'll still be one hell of a tempting buy.
 
Shinobi said:
Oh BTW...

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...just in case you forgot.

United are at the top of the table and it looks like they are going to winb the league
Arsenal are fighting for a champions league spot

United are in the quarter finals of the FA cup
Arsenal are out of it

United arer in the quarter finals of the Champions League
Arsenal are out of it

If posting those pictures makes you feel better about the fact that arsenals season has been pants, then keep doing it. Its annoying to lose to arsenal twice in a season, but we are doing so well this season so no united fan really cares about it.
 
psycho_snake said:
United are at the top of the table and it looks like they are going to winb the league
Arsenal are fighting for a champions league spot

Fighting for it? 3rd and 4th is more or less guaranteed to Liverpool and Arsenal, that's if they don't keep on losing games.
 
To be fair, he was responding to kaizoku saying Arsenal were irrelevant.

Won't be saying that if you need Arsenal to beat Chelsea second to last game of the season though.
 
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