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Official Football Thread 2006/2007 (Soccer)

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Lakitu said:
Fighting for it? 3rd and 4th is more or less guaranteed to Liverpool and Arsenal, that's if they don't keep on losing games.
Its highly unlikely that Arsenal will fail to get a CL spot. My point was that Arsenal have had a poor season. Finishing 3rd or 4th isnt much of an accomplishment and arsenal never put up a good fight for 2nd place. And I never said arsenal are irrelevant, all Ive implied is that they are not fighting for anything significant. No one really cares about who finishes 3rd of 4th. As things stand arsenal are very important, they could decide if we win the league.
 
Ive got a good feeling about this game. i think part of the reason why we've been panats lately is because we were under a lot of pressure. Beating Fulham and Liverpool was a must and instead of rising to the challenge, we looked like we were crumbling under the pressure. Now that we've beaten both of those teams and we are in the wuarter finals of the CL, we can relax a little and play without so much pressure. Brough are never an easy team to face, especially in our case, but Ive got a good feeling that we will go through.

My prediction is 2-0 to us, with rooney and larsson scoring.
 
Yeah it is important not to underestimate Middlesbrough, they are very good at Riverside. I'm guessing 1-1, replay at Old Trafford which you will win.
 
A draw wouldnt surprise me. Brough have this habit of playing like ****ing brazil agains the top four sides. They've caused us big problems ovee the last few seasons.
 
Mama Smurf said:
To be fair, he was responding to kaizoku saying Arsenal were irrelevant.

Won't be saying that if you need Arsenal to beat Chelsea second to last game of the season though.

yeah it was a joke (the :P smilie is a hint), their relevence is they need to take 3 points off Chelsea later on. So come on arsenal!

shinobi I notice that you like to knock it up a notch by aiming shots at me personally - eh....its not so much I dont like it, I just have no interest in those kind of slagging matches. I like to keep it football focused.

you pattern of posts btw closely matches the behaviour of Arsenal and Wenger in particular ;) hold the moral high ground then when things fall apart start acting like kids. :D

no but seriously, I've gotten abit tired of winding Arsenal fans up on here, theres more to me than that so I'll start behaving myself for awhile.
 
No one said you said they were irrelevant, psycho.

Van Der Sar hurt his calf during warm up. I don't know if it's minor or what, but he can't play today anyway. That leaves no keeper on the bench so...well, Middlesbrough could try and injure Kuszczak early on and have a much better chance of going through.

They'd be in a lot of trouble if they don't disguise it well, but they'd be through. Probably.
 
Goal Wayne Rooney... a few minutes back lol I got caught up reading the thread.


[edit] Damn Ronaldo almost scored...we are playing really good so far I think you are right Psycho they are playing with less pressure and it shows.


Mama Smurf said:
No one said you said they were irrelevant, psycho.

Van Der Sar hurt his calf during warm up. I don't know if it's minor or what, but he can't play today anyway. That leaves no keeper on the bench so...well, Middlesbrough could try and injure Kuszczak early on and have a much better chance of going through.

They'd be in a lot of trouble if they don't disguise it well, but they'd be through. Probably.
Yeah but then they would have to deal with John ( I can play anywhere on the pitch) O'Shea.
 
Man... Man Utd are completely destroying Middlesbrough. They're playing awful. Man Utd have certainly improved from their last couple of weeks.
 
United playing much better than they have recently, could be 3-0 up. Boro have got in a couple of times and could maybe have scored, but certainly going forward they seem back on form.
 
I thought that was a foul on Larsson.

Score doesn't reflect the balance of play, I blame the keeper, but I'd prefer United out as I'm hoping we go through tomorrow so I'm not unhappy.
 
Yeah it was a foul on Larsson, but I thought he overreacted a bit.

Let's hope that goal changes Middlesbrough in the 2nd half coz they've had a poor first half.
 
Mama Smurf said:
I thought that was a foul on Larsson.

Score doesn't reflect the balance of play, I blame the keeper, but I'd prefer United out as I'm hoping we go through tomorrow so I'm not unhappy.
Yeah we should have at the least 3 goals..and no doubt that was a foul on Larsson.
 
I thought Boro deserved the equalizer, I didn't think Man Utd played that well at all. Both goals were superb.

That was definitely a foul on Larsson btw
What a ridiculous yellow - I can't remember many dives from him in his entire career, if any.
 
Oh the rest of this game should be good.

That's a hilarious goal, he had a whole half of United's half to himself to head that.
 
Watch the replays of that goal next time they show it, Ronaldo is standing on the line protecting the right hand side of the right hand post from the keeper's point of view :lol
 
Poor second half from United, stupid penalty to concede. We can't say for sure, but they could be through to a semi-final right now if Boateng hadn't done that.
 
the penalty was a joke. Not only did he use his hands to protect his face, Stiles only whistled after the players complained.

edit: did Lawrenson invent a new rule or is there something in writing that says you are only allowed to protect your face with one hand?
 
Oh come on, that's a definite penalty. There's no protecting your face rule, especially when the player has ducked his head down to that level anyway, if he'd just stood up it would have hit his chest.

As for waiting, I wish more refs would. Take your time to consider what you've seen, not just go with your knee jerk reaction.

edit: did Lawrenson invent a new rule or is there something in writing that says you are only allowed to protect your face with one hand?

You're not allowed to protect your face with either hand, but Lawro's point was it's much easier to tell that it's a delibrate movement of your hand rather than you hand just accidentally being there if both move up.
 
of course I haven't read the rules, but I think I remember that we were told that we could use the hand to protect the face when I played football. I guess that's wrong then :lol

Anyway, I think he didn't even consider whistling before the players complained. I don't think that's good refereeing. Especially since the referee was Rob Stiles I really doubt that he was thinking very much at the time.
 
Well regardless of why it was given, it was the right choice to give it. I hope it was because he thought it was a penalty and not because United protested, but it's impossible to say.

Apparently Terry and Lampard's new contract talks aren't going well. Could just be part of the game to get better wages, but if those two become available there'll be some serious takers.

Their contracts run out in two years time so to leave this summer they'd have to buy them out, both of which would cost about £10m, but that's cheap for either of those two. I don't think they'd do it to Chelsea anyway, but if they don't sign they'll have to be sold the next summer anyway.
 
yeah, in the end it was probably the right decision.

I just looked the rules up btw and as you would expect the FIFA does not explain what a deliberate hand ball actually is. The rules are open to interpretation.

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Strangely, the term "Hand Ball" is commonly used, but is not defined in the official FIFA rules. It is a "direct kick foul" if a player (other than the goalkeeper inside his own penalty area) deliberately handles the ball (meaning to deliberately touch the ball with any part of the arm from the finger tips to the top of the shoulder). If the player handles it for the purpose of preventing an opponent from gaining possession, it is a "cautionable offense" and a yellow card should be given. If a player deliberately handles the ball to deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity (e.g., to prevent a breakaway or to deliberately stop a shot), a red card should be given and the player "sent off". However, a hand ball foul should not be called if: (1) a player is instinctively trying to protect himself from injury or (2) the player did not deliberately touch the ball but the ball hit his arm & he did not move the arm toward the ball (however, if the player's arms were in an unnatural position such as above his shoulders or sticking out to the sides, then he should be called for a handball). (See "Fouls").
 
I'm sorry but that wasn't a penalty, in my opinion and I'm always honest (most of the time). The hand ball clearly wasn't deliberate, and he was preventing his face by being smacked in, doesn't matter what level he was, he was the same level as Larsson and he tried to defend the ball.

Nothing you can do though, that's football, penalties come and go, some are not but some are. It's the way the game is, not just for Man U.
 
It does matter what level he was at, because he delibrately moved his head down to block the ball and then suddenly decided to defend his face with his hands. He wouldn't have moved his head down there if he didn't know that was wear the ball was going, so he knew it was going there when he put his hands up. If the ball got hit at him so hard and fast that he could do nothing else but move his hands or let it hit his face, it's still a handball and he should just let it hit his face, but at least I'd know he only had those choices. Boateng though, if he didn't want it to hit his face, should have stood up straight. He had a third choice, let it his his chest, but he chose to raise his hands.

As for not being delibrate, of course it is. Why else would he have both his hands in front of his face? Your hand is at the side or any other natural footballing position and the ball hits it, fine, it might well be accidental. No one plays with their hands in front of their face though.

What's the worst that happens if the ball hits your face anyway, ignoring the fact that Boateng didn't have to get hit in the face in the first place? Normally nothing happens, maybe a nosebleed, at worst a broken nose which hundreds of footballers go through. I mean, Cameron Diaz has had a broken nose a few times, hasn't even bothered to get it fixed. I'm sure a big tough footballer can take it if she can.
 
Mama Smurf said:
It does matter what level he was at, because he delibrately moved his head down to block the ball and then suddenly decided to defend his face with his hands. He wouldn't have moved his head down there if he didn't know that was wear the ball was going, so he knew it was going there when he put his hands up. If the ball got hit at him so hard and fast that he could do nothing else but move his hands or let it hit his face, it's still a handball and he should just let it hit his face, but at least I'd know he only had those choices. Boateng though, if he didn't want it to hit his face, should have stood up straight. He had a third choice, let it his his chest, but he chose to raise his hands.

As for not being delibrate, of course it is. Why else would he have both his hands in front of his face? Your hand is at the side or any other natural footballing position and the ball hits it, fine, it might well be accidental. No one plays with their hands in front of their face though.

What's the worst that happens if the ball hits your face anyway, ignoring the fact that Boateng didn't have to get hit in the face in the first place? Normally nothing happens, maybe a nosebleed, at worst a broken nose which hundreds of footballers go through. I mean, Cameron Diaz has had a broken nose a few times, hasn't even bothered to get it fixed. I'm sure a big tough footballer can take it if she can.

He was swatting a fly, of course, he wasn't aiming for the ball.

But he could have left the fly alone, but no one wants a nose like Cameron Diaz :(
 
Woo hoo super classico coming up.. I don't care who wins but this match is ALWAYS entertaining. Is it at the Nou camp?
 
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