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Official Football Thread 2006/2007 (Soccer)

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jamesinclair said:
Following up the funniest soccer result ever (Canada losing to a tiny non-fifa island) comes the saddest

Honduras 1 - 1 Mexico

WTF

I guess CONCACAF is more balanced than we thought :/

Honduras 2 - 1 Mexico FT

Mexico has sucked ass under the new management.

I knew when they let Lavolpe go and hired the "legend" Sanchez, it would come to bite them in the ass.

I know I'm in the minority among Mexicans who prefers Lavolpe, but we would not have had these last 3 results (L Paraguay, Shitty W against Cuba, L Honduras). They hated Lavolpe because he brought some "questionable" players he favored, how is that different from any other coach? Look at Hugo Sanchez and his Chivas-favored personnel. Bravo getting the start over Castillo?
 
Trezeguet is on his way out of Juventus:

"There is no more hope of staying with Juventus - I feel they have little faith in me," Trezeguet told SKY Italia on Sunday after the Serie B champions lost 3-2 at home to Spezia.

"The offer they have made me tells me everything I need to know.

"I've given my best, just as the club asked me this season, but I feel they have made other choices.

"Now I am going on holiday and I will wait for a call from the board. It's up to them to decide what to do with me.

"It's a shame because I wanted to carry on, but they don't seem to want me anymore."
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/10062007/3/trezeguet-set-juve-exit.html
 
touching on this morning, with both season ticket prices and the effects of foreign takeovers - here's a great article on the subject:

found it on east lower:

I just need to say this (again)
June 10th, 2007

Amidst the crisis-club headlines and the stories about all our good players and our manager leaving, a salutary tale for those who think a hostile takeover is in the best interests of Arsenal from the Telegraph’s Jim White. He warns that, while on the surface all looks rosy with the Man U takeover, there’s still the small matter of the £700m of debt to be paid back.

Yes, Man U are splashing a seemingly unstoppable amount of cash on players, and yes, we all wish Wenger was doing it too, but as Jim White points out, it’s hardly as if the money is coming from the goodness of the heart of the owners. Season ticket prices - bucking a general trend - have risen by up to 14% at United, and worse still, those who swallow this rise in prices are now ‘obliged’ to buy every single home cup tie on top. According to White, some season tickets there will now cost £500 more than they did last season. They impose these rises because they have no choice - there’s money to be paid back.

Let’s not forget that if a new owner comes in and attempts to buy our club, he or she will have to find something in the region of £700m when current debts are taken into account. He or she will have to borrow money to do this, and rather than taking this debt on personally, they will pile it on the club.

It’s money that needs paying back, and who ends up paying that money back? The fans, for the most part. Assuming all goes well, the fans will pay back the debt placed on the club themselves, leaving the owner(s) with an asset worth £700m. And the fans with what exactly?

Does that sound fair?

Unless I’m missing something, I can’t see the benefit of that in the long-term.

full article here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...9/sojimw09.xml
 
It appears Kenneth Perez is as good as ours. He's ready to sign a 3 year contract at PSV as some as PSV and Ajax agree over a transferfee (which should be smoothened out within the next couple of days). Second high-profiel signing by PSV, after Lazovic.

Our strikeforce is pretty incredible now (atleast, for Dutch standards):
- Farfan (peruvian international)
- Kone (cote d'ivoire international)
- Lazovic (serbian international)
- Perez (retired Danish international)
- youth talent Jonathan Reis
- Bakkal (dutch youth international)

Koeman's also confirmed that we'll go back to playing 4-3-3 (and who wouldn't with such strikers), which is personally prefer above 4-4-2.

Now all we need is a decent leftback, and perhaps a leftmidfielder and a back-up goalkeeper.
 
If fans didn't think the tickets were worth it, they'd stop paying. It's simple business.

That's why Blackburn's season ticket prices went down :(
 
On average, what do tickets go for at Emirate's? I'm planning on going to London and seeing a game.

P.S. Just got back from a weekend at my college, so I have to catch up on all the news I missed.
 
the cheapest tickets are around 30 pounds, but good luck getting them. 45 pounds is more realistic.

rumours:

TRANSFER RUMOURS

Liverpool could set their sights on £16m Diego Forlan rather than Barcelona's £35m-rated Samuel Eto'o. (The Times)

David Beckham has snubbed a last-ditch attempt to persuade him to stay with Real Madrid. (Daily Mirror)

Manchester United have been told they will need to stump up £40m if they want to buy Carlos Tevez. (Daily Star)

But they are only willing to pay £12m, with Inter Milan prepared to splash out £34m on the Argentine. (Independent)

Newcastle are interested in signing French winger Ludovic Giuly from Barcelona for just £1.5m. (Daily Mirror)

David Nugent has told Everton he will not wait all summer to clinch a move to Goodison Park. (Daily Mail)

Lyon could start an auction to sell Florent Malouda, with Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and AC Milan all interested. (Daily Express)

West Ham are chasing Tottenham striker Jermain Defoe and Liverpool frontman Craig Bellamy. (Daily Mirror)

Tal Ben Haim is willing to turn down Chelsea to sign for former Bolton boss Sam Allardyce at Newcastle. (Daily Express)

Everton could offer Gary Naysmith and even James McFadden in a bid to land Sheffield United captain Phil Jagielka. (Daily Mirror)

Man Utd defender Gabriel Heinze says he would consider an offer from Barcelona. (Daily Star)

Wigan are confident of tying up the signing of former Chelsea right-back Mario Melchiot on a free transfer. (The Sun)

Sunderland are favourites to sign Neil Lennon after he turned down Wycombe. (The Times)

Aston Villa are lining up a move for Hamburg's Holland international midfielder Nigel de Jong. (Daily Mirror)

Portsmouth boss Harry Redknapp has made Middlesbrough's former Pompey striker Yakubu his top transfer target. (Various)

Keith Gillespie is set to snub Bolton in favour of a new improved contract at Sheffield United. (Daily Mirror)

Manchester United winger Jamie Mullan is poised to join Leeds on a free transfer. (Daily Mirror)

Paris St Germain boss Paul Le Guen is battling with Portsmouth and Lyon to sign Wigan striker Henri Camara. (Daily Record)

Garry O'Connor's agent claims the Lokomotiv Moscow striker would relish a return to British football. (Daily Record)

Hibs boss John Collins has been warned he will have to break his wage structure to land Celtic keeper David Marshall. (Daily Record)

OTHER GOSSIP

Shocked directors at Birmingham will today demand answers from co-owners David Sullivan and the Gold brothers after it emerged they could sell to a Far East-based businessman. (Daily Mirror)

Fulham owner Mohamed Al Fayed has accused the Premier League of selling itself short, despite the new £2.1bn media rights deal. (Daily Mail)

Arsenal are the new target of Mohammed Al Hashimi, a mega-rich Arab businessman who narrowly missed out on buying Liverpool. (The Sun)

Former boss Graeme Souness has launched a scathing attack on Newcastle, telling new owner Mike Ashley he is inheriting a "big club with big problems". (Daily Mail)

AND FINALLY


Just weeks after scoring a copycat goal of Maradona's wonder goal against England, Barcelona striker Lionel Messi replicated the 'Hand of God' goal by punching the ball into the net against Espanyol. (The Sun)

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/6739825.stm

Published: 2007/06/11 07:03:54 GMT

© BBC MMVII

Liverpool could set their sights on £16m Diego Forlan

tell me that this is a joke. 16 million for Forlan? Football has gone mad, the world will end soon.

Apparently Arsene Wenger was in Norway this weekend to finalize the deal with Cornballers favourite young looking kid, Haavard Nordtveit

arseblogger reckons:

Obviously Arsene is back in the groove though. I expect us to sign a 15 year old Swede, a 17 year old Dane who is blind but has a in built sonar which would make the best bats in the world jealous and a Finnish kid who hasn’t even been born yet.

edit: actually, this is another young kid. Cornballer's was Icelandic, now that I think about it.

edit:
£40m if they want to buy Carlos Tevez

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh. has everyone gone mad? This is just getting ridiculous. Tevez is worth no more than 15 million. Obviously you have to pay above the odds to get him, since clubs are interested - but 40 million? This has to be a joke. please
 
David Beckham has snubbed a last-ditch attempt to persuade him to stay with Real Madrid. (Daily Mirror)

Okay I'll put my hands up after the world cup i thought Beckham lost "it" but his recent showing is that he is a good asset to any team and Real Madrid must be crying that they've possibly lost him for the last game of the season.
That still doesn't mean i don't think that he will be ineffective against really good sides and England needs someone who can run behind the back line down the wings.

Liverpool could set their sights on £16m Diego Forlan rather than Barcelona's £35m-rated Samuel Eto'o. (The Times)

And I thought English players were overpriced.
 
:lol at 16m price for Forlan, esp. when offering him to an EPL club...

Nevemind, those are only tips of silly story icebergs during transfer Windows. We will see Real and Barcelona chasing Jeffers for 10m pounds tomorrow......
 
Let’s not forget that if a new owner comes in and attempts to buy our club, he or she will have to find something in the region of £700m when current debts are taken into account. He or she will have to borrow money to do this, and rather than taking this debt on personally, they will pile it on the club.

It’s money that needs paying back, and who ends up paying that money back? The fans, for the most part. Assuming all goes well, the fans will pay back the debt placed on the club themselves, leaving the owner(s) with an asset worth £700m. And the fans with what exactly?

The amount of ignorance in that article is overwhelming. People who don't know a single shred of finance have no right at all to be commenting on the United takeover deal. Debt isn't necessarily bad as everyone thinks it is and no, FFS, the owners will not have a goddamn asset worth 700m pounds when all that debt is paid up. Without access to detailed information on the terms of the takeover as well as the financial statements of United post-takeover, there's no way to tell whether the deal is working out fine or not. However, the fact that we are able to spend 50m pounds on new talent is assurance enough that our finances should be relatively healthy.

And unfortunately, considering the dynamics of the football leagues these days, clubs do have to be run as businesses and in order to be successful, they have to charge as much as they can for tickets since that constitutes a huge portion of their revenues. That's the reality of it all.

EDIT: I guess the key question is whether fans are willing to pay more for tickets if that means their club will be able to afford better players which would in turn ensure that their team has a higher chance of winning the league.
 
Outdoor Miner said:
Honduras 2 - 1 Mexico FT

Mexico has sucked ass under the new management.

I knew when they let Lavolpe go and hired the "legend" Sanchez, it would come to bite them in the ass.

I know I'm in the minority among Mexicans who prefers Lavolpe, but we would not have had these last 3 results (L Paraguay, Shitty W against Cuba, L Honduras). They hated Lavolpe because he brought some "questionable" players he favored, how is that different from any other coach? Look at Hugo Sanchez and his Chivas-favored personnel. Bravo getting the start over Castillo?


Did Suazo score?
 
ElyrionX said:
The amount of ignorance in that article is overwhelming.
that's not the actual article, that's a summary of it on a blog. Obviously he didn't get this right, probably because he doesn't quite know how it works.

But, and that's the point - the new owners aren't in because they love football so much and because they want to invest money in the clubs. They are in it to make money, which is fair enough. That's not to say that it's impossible for both sides to profit from the deal, after all there is more money if the club is successful - but the money to finance the success is unlikely to come from the goodhearted investors, just because they want the club to win titles. They want to make a return on their investment, minimum 10 percent.

The question is - why would a club be unable to do that themselves? There is no reason why a Glazer like deal would get more money into a club than the club doing it by themselves and without the new owners taking out their return.

You are quite correct that debt doesn't necessarily mean bad things per se, Arsenal for instance have refinanced their debt a few months ago which not only makes the club cheaper to run, but also got them around 20 to 40 million worth of cash that Wenger may or may not choose to spend on the transfer market. By the looks of it that's a higher budget than the one of Liverpool, who were not only taken over by foreign investors that pledged to make big funds available for the transfer market - they also were in the champions league final which made them a shitload (by memory around 40 million or so). Where's that money gone? Why don't they invest that in new players?
 
Obviously Arsene is back in the groove though. I expect us to sign a 15 year old Swede, a 17 year old Dane who is blind but has a in built sonar which would make the best bats in the world jealous and a Finnish kid who hasn’t even been born yet.

:lol :lol :lol
 
new away kit officially revealed: http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?...tle=Arsenal+reveal+new+away+kit+for+2007/2008

chapmankit_platform.jpg

l_60000.jpg


Club Captain Thierry Henry commented: “I like the new away kit. I understand that it’s a bit of history for the Club because we used to wear white and I always like it when there is a bit of history. It’s always good, something fresh something new. You know when you have something behind the shirt - you know why we’re playing in white. It’s not just something out of the blue; I can’t wait to wear it

edit: I think I'll get one :)

one more picture. It's the old picture in better quality.

awaykit0708_bench.jpg

I actually really like the socks and I'm warming to the white/maroon combination.


another great picture, unfortunately too large to quote here:
http://www.arsenal.com/images/a/awaykit0708_panorama.jpg
 
I don't think £16m for Forlan is ridiculous...well, maybe for a Premiership club given what he did (or didn't do) at United, but generally he's worth that.

He's scored 58 goals in 112 games since joining Villarreal, an average of a goal every 1.9 games. If that sort of player isn't worth £16m, I don't know who is. I actually think that's cheap if he's moving within Spain as we know he could do it there, but if he's coming to the Premiership again then you couldn't really expect to get any more for him.
 
I see no oyster cards, i think their skipping the fare. GET 'EM KEN!

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West Ham aren't releasing a shirt this year, we're so damn cockney we're calling it a Dicky Dirt instead. We even have Ray Winstone advertising it on Radio.

http://www.whufc.com/uploads/audio/jun_07/whu_1180941016_Lift_-_West_Ham_Winstone_40_-_.mp3


We're doing away with Shorts and socks too, replacing them with Dicky Doughts and Dicky Docks....never was too good at that rhyming slang.
 
hadareud said:
The question is - why would a club be unable to do that themselves? There is no reason why a Glazer like deal would get more money into a club than the club doing it by themselves and without the new owners taking out their return.

You are quite correct that debt doesn't necessarily mean bad things per se, Arsenal for instance have refinanced their debt a few months ago which not only makes the club cheaper to run, but also got them around 20 to 40 million worth of cash that Wenger may or may not choose to spend on the transfer market. By the looks of it that's a higher budget than the one of Liverpool, who were not only taken over by foreign investors that pledged to make big funds available for the transfer market - they also were in the champions league final which made them a shitload (by memory around 40 million or so). Where's that money gone? Why don't they invest that in new players?

In United's case, the answer to your question of why they weren't able to do it themselves was because of the fact that United was a public company and it would be hard to take on a large amount of debt without shareholder disapproval which would have complicated matters significantly. There's also all that other issues involved with managing a public company that would have hindered management in some way or other.

Also, if I remember correctly, the Glazers relied on their connections to secure the debt which may or not have happened if they weren't around. So that's another possible factor.
 
What do you think of the Defoe to West Ham rumour, Ghost? I was thinking for a while (before any of the rumours) how it's a shame that deal would never happen as it would have taken another team out of the Bellamy chase (well...so I thought) and how he'd be a good fit, but I can't believe the rumour actually came up.

I mean, surely West Ham fans wouldn't take him back. They ermm....they don't seem the most forgiving bunch. And Defoe hardly did anything to deserve their forgiveness even if they were.
 
Mama Smurf said:
I don't think £16m for Forlan is ridiculous...well, maybe for a Premiership club given what he did (or didn't do) at United, but generally he's worth that.
He's scored 58 goals in 112 games since joining Villarreal, an average of a goal every 1.9 games. If that sort of player isn't worth £16m, I don't know who is. I actually think that's cheap if he's moving within Spain as we know he could do it there, but if he's coming to the Premiership again then you couldn't really expect to get any more for him.

he did really well in Spain, I know. But there's a big danger that he will go back to his Manyoo form once back in England.

Of course, that would happen to every other striker once you put a Liverpool shirt on him.
 
We'd have him back, he'd get stick from the vocal minority for a couple of games but it'd soon quite down if he played well enough.

He wont come back though, Terrance Brown called him 'unstable' in a board meeting durin his wierdly successful championship campaign where he'd score a couple of goals then deliberately get himself sent off. And he's probably gotten all kinds of unforgivable abuse from our fans in the last 2 years.

I really dont want Bellamy so I hope he's not the Tevez alternative. Strikers that aren't clinical tend to have a hard time at Upton Park.
 
I couldn't tell if someone was saying Eto'o wasn't worth £35m before as well, but if so I think he is too. Well...obviously I mean footballing terms, no one is actually worth that much. He's scored 73 goals in 112 games for Barcelona (2 goals every 3 games), which basically makes him one of the few best strikers in the world (along with the likes of Henry and Van Nistelrooy). Only he's got more years left than either of those two.

hadareud said:
Of course, that would happen to every other striker once you put a Liverpool shirt on him.

?

Ghost said:
Is it me or does Henry look like he's edging his way towards that 'Way Out' sign

:lol Yeah, it's something to do with his smile.
 
Mama Smurf said:
I couldn't tell if someone was saying Eto'o wasn't worth £35m before as well, but if so I think he is too. Well...obviously I mean footballing terms, no one is actually worth that much. He's scored 73 goals in 112 games for Barcelona (2 goals every 3 games), which basically makes him one of the few best strikers in the world (along with the likes of Henry and Van Nistelrooy). Only he's got more years left than either of those two.
well, he's certainly worth more than Forlan and Tevez, also he's 2 years younger than Forlan, so that puts the price up. The number itself is always debatable.
 
hadareud said:
well, he's certainly worth more than Forlan and Tevez, also he's 2 years younger than Forlan, so that puts the price up. The number itself is always debatable.

I don't know how well Eto'o would do alongside anyone else. Ronaldinho can be credited with alot of Eto'o's goals. His passing really helps him out. I'm not saying Eto'o isn't a great striker, because he is, I just feel he's a bit dependent off of Ronaldinho.
 
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h0pper said:
I don't know how well Eto'o would do alongside anyone else. Ronaldinho can be credited with alot of Eto'o's goals. His passing really helps him out. I'm not saying Eto'o isn't a great striker, because he is, I just feel he's a bit dependent off of Ronaldinho.

I'm sure he'd get some nice service at Arsenal too. Not that we will ever find out.
 
I don't even know why Barca want Henry so badly. Obviously he's a great player, one of the best in the world, but so's Eto'o and they only play one actual striker. They do need better replacement strikers than they've currently got (especially with Saviola leaving), but it doesn't need to be one of the best forwards in the world, in fact that might even hurt matters with dressing room unrest as one is left on the bench.

I think they should keep Eto'o, get some really good cover for him and spend elsewhere in the team.
 
It doesn't make too much sense to me either. If they want to keep Eto'o, and they obviously do, there's no need for a player of Henry's calibre and price tag.

Well, at least you'd think so.

In the end it doesn't really matter, because he isn't going anywhere.
 
Mama Smurf said:
I don't even know why Barca want Henry so badly. Obviously he's a great player, one of the best in the world, but so's Eto'o and they only play one actual striker. They do need better replacement strikers than they've currently got (especially with Saviola leaving), but it doesn't need to be one of the best forwards in the world, in fact that might even hurt matters with dressing room unrest as one is left on the bench.

I think they should keep Eto'o, get some really good cover for him and spend elsewhere in the team.

lol, this is what I've been saying all along. Like they actually need Henry? Give me a break! They already have Ronaldinho, Messi, and Eto'o competing to play. Now Henry?! What the hell?! It's f***ing ridiculous.
 
hadareud said:
Malouda has allegedly snubbed both Liverpool and Chelsea.

Wenger says:

Haha that's nice to hear.

I don't know if anyone heard this but:

Inter Milan Leading Race for Tevez
http://au.setanta.com/portal/articl...en&articleid=2d4f4dff2ec45b62802572f60048b493

What the hell? lol. I never even knew they were bidding on him. I like Inter, but they are getting a bit out of control. Adriano, Crespo, Ibrahimovic, Recoba (not as big a name but still, comon!), now possibly Tevez? Apparently they are leading the race for Tevez and he has expressed some desire to make a move to Italy. If that happens, Inter should get rid of someone. I'd most likely say Adriano just because his performance has been poor lately, but I don't think he has expressed any desire or intent to leave Milan. Either way, Inter is crazy. Why not invest in some backs or maybe a midfielder? Having 4 strikers that are of that high quality is a bit over kill. Don't you think?
 
At last for good news, apparently a deal between (According to insiders) Liverpool for Torres is in negotiation as he is desperate to move to Liverpool but Rafa won't pay more than 40 million Euros.

Both Diego and Gabriel Milito are transfer targets for Liverpool and scouts went to watch them on Sunday.
 
paying 40 million euros for a player that is on a level with Kuyt (if that) would be interesting to say at the least.

Again, the prices rumoured this summer are insane. This is getting ridiculous.
 
hadareud said:
paying 40 million euros for a player that is on a level with Kuyt (if that) would be interesting to say at the least.

Again, the prices rumoured this summer are insane. This is getting ridiculous.

The market is inflated, Tevez isn't worth 40 million, Torres isn't worth 20. What a sad world we live in :(

Let's blame Chelsea.
 
Torres's buyout clause is reportedly 40m euros, I expect that's the only reason that number's come up. As in, Benitez is saying "I want him, but if you're waiting for me to reach his buyout clause it's not going to happen".

The U21 match between England and the Czech Republic starts in 2 hours for those interested.
 
Thanks for the info Mama, makes sense then.

Torres is hopelessly overrated in my opinion, I really believe that Kuyt is the better player. Also, he has a mullet.

Oh, and I too blame Chelsea.
 
hadareud said:
Thanks for the info Mama, makes sense then.

Torres is hopelessly overrated in my opinion, I really believe that Kuyt is the better player. Also, he has a mullet.

Oh, and I too blame Chelsea.

Really? I never heard anyone really hate on Torres. Maybe it's just me. I definitely agree with you on the fact that Chelsea has caused an inflated market. They spend loads of money and try to buy up everyone so it forces everyone else to either lose out on transfers or to have to spend ridiculous amounts of money to compete.
 
I just came up with something that could be fun, let's rate the top 4's players by position and find out the best lineup and the best team by individuals. We need a few people voting for it to mean something though. Also, it's probably difficult to agree on Liverpools 1st team, since they don't have one, so let's just use the players I put on my list.

vote 1 to 4:

Goal:
Cech (1)
Van der Saar (2)
Lehmann (3)
Reina (4)

LB:
Cole (1)
Evra (2)
Clichy (3)
Riise (4)

RB:
Neville (1)
Eboue (2)
Ferreira (3)
Finnan (4)

CB 1:
Terry (1)
Toure (2)
Vidic (3)
Carragher (4)

CB 2:
Gallas (1)
Ferdinand (2)
Carvalho (3)
Agger (4)

LM:
Giggs (1)
Rosicky (2)
Robben (3)
Gonzales (4)

RM:
Ronaldo (1)
Essien (2)
Hleb (3)
Pennant (4)

CMA:
Fabregas (1)
Scholes (2)
Gerrard (3)
Lampard (4)

CMD:
Gilberto (1)
Makelelelele (2)
Alonso (3)
Carrick (4)

FW1:
Henry (1)
Drogba (2)
Rooney (3)
Kuyt (4)

FW2:
Van Persie (1)
Sevchenko (2)
Saha (3)
Crouch (4)

I'm interested what others think. Also, if we have to change a player let's do it now, before people voted. But I think I chose the best lineups, or close to it.
 
I don't think the market's that inflated really. I mean, back in 1999 - 2001 Vieri went to Inter for £31m, Crespo moved to Lazio for £36m, Luis Figo moved to Madrid for £37m and Zidane went to Madrid for £46m. And those are just the world record transfers, Ferdinand joined United for £31m in 2002.
 
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