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Official Football Thread 2006/2007 (Soccer)

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GaimeGuy said:
Urgh, **** you american TV for not showing US soccer games on common channels.

At LEAST show international games :/
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Maybe the US game will be bumped from ESPNU to ESPN1 or 2 again this week.

Also, Galavision is a free channel if you live in a major spanish market. Just put up the bunny ears.
 
Nowadays you can watch every televised EPL game in the US for a cable/satellite package that will run you around $70/month (which includes a ton of other channels as well), though few people have access to Setanta, which shows most of the good games. I could write a book on trying to follow international football in this country. Things have improved 1000% since I discovered the sport during the '94 World Cup. At that time, you were lucky to catch a stray Champion's League game on ESPN and had no idea when they would be on. Even getting scores wasn't an option pre-internet so the sport was basically impossible to follow.

Now, I literally have more football than I have time to watch via satellite. I can watch the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, the Bundesliga, and some South American games too. And even those without pricy satellite/digital cable packages can now watch plenty of MLS, US National Team, and Champion's League games on the widely available ESPN networks. The only problem that will never be solved, but is greatly alleviated by Tivo, is the time difference.
 
godhandiscen said:
I am sad Peru lost this way. The most I can hope for is that we learned something, and that with the full squad it will be a different story. Still, I hope Argentina wins this tournament.

Dont kid yourself. Mexico has got lucky against a Brazilian team that played together for the first time and Paraguay which started with a man down and a goal against after 3 minutes. I am not saying Mexico is not strong, but it is impossible to gather a clear analysis of its potential based on these 2 matches. Argentina will be the first true test of Mexico's power.
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The first penalty was a clear goal. If the goalie would not have made the foul, the ball would have gone in easily.

Paraguay is not a weak team. They beat Colombia 5-0 and USA 3-1.

Playing together for the first time? Please. You could say the same about the Mexican team, when did Ochoa and Castillo ever play together for example? The Mexican team is very different from the Gold Cup team. Its not like Robinho and Gilberto have never played together.
 
jamesinclair said:
Playing together for the first time? Please. You could say the same about the Mexican team, when did Ochoa and Castillo ever play together for example? The Mexican team is very different from the Gold Cup team. Its not like Robinho and Gilberto have never played together.
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Yep. I believe FIVE mexican players got their 1st cap in the game against Brazil. If anything, Mexico's team was even "newer" than Brazil's.
 
seems like Manyoo aren't quite as close to finishing the Tevez deal as they thought and as they would have liked.

Could drag on for quite a while yet according to the BBC and other reports.
 
Guileless said:
Nowadays you can watch every televised EPL game in the US for a cable/satellite package that will run you around $70/month (which includes a ton of other channels as well), though few people have access to Setanta, which shows most of the good games. I could write a book on trying to follow international football in this country. Things have improved 1000% since I discovered the sport during the '94 World Cup. At that time, you were lucky to catch a stray Champion's League game on ESPN and had no idea when they would be on. Even getting scores wasn't an option pre-internet so the sport was basically impossible to follow.

Now, I literally have more football than I have time to watch via satellite. I can watch the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, the Bundesliga, and some South American games too. And even those without pricy satellite/digital cable packages can now watch plenty of MLS, US National Team, and Champion's League games on the widely available ESPN networks. The only problem that will never be solved, but is greatly alleviated by Tivo, is the time difference.
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Couldn't agree with you more. There's more soccer on TV than any other sport here. Just having FSC, Setanta, and Gol TV is more soccer than you can watch. There's also Telefutura, Univision, Galavision, ESPN2, RAI, plus any local channels for MLS matches. Even worse I pay $79 for Direct Kick so I have every MLS game not on national broadcasting recorded. That's why I laugh when people say soccer isn't very big here.
 
tribalfootball is awful. I don't believe anything they write because they're wrong more than they're right.

hadareud - did you get your 360 back yet?
 
lol, ok then, because I just read this:

tribalfootball.com said:
Arsenal boss Wenger wants Real Madrid's Robinho
tribalfooball.com - July 08, 2007

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger is keen on Real Madrid wing dazzler Robinho.
Robinho has enjoyed a superb Copa America and Marca says Wenger has told Real he would only consider selling Cesc Fabregas should they include the Brazil international winger in their offer.

For their part, Real are preparing a £25 million bid for both Cesc and Arsenal teammate Jose Antonio Reyes, but could include Robinho in their proposal should prospective coach Bernd Schuster give his approval.
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Cornballer said:
hadareud - did you get your 360 back yet?
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not yet, but I am hoping to have it by the end of the week. At least that's what I was told.

They did promise me 2 months of xbox live and a free game though when I complained about the delay.
 
Yeah, typical tribalfootball bullshit. They figure if they print enough crap, sooner or later something will turn out to be true.
hadareud said:
not yet, but I am hoping to have it by the end of the week. At least that's what I was told.

They did promise me 2 months of xbox live and a free game though when I complained about the delay.
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Cool. We'll have to get some gaming on once you're back online.
 
definitely need to play

I haven't played either fifa 07 or pro evo 6 because of the missing features in the 360 versions.

I figured I'll wait for this years
 
I actually don't own any football games at the moment. I was renting FIFA WC 06 when I messed up my thumb, and I've been off the console for the last year or so since then.
 
Real is wasting their time pursuing Fabregas.

I mean look where the guy was born for chrissakes. Not to mention where Henry signed. If he's going back to Spain, it ain't with Madrid.
 
Outdoor Miner said:
Real is wasting their time pursuing Fabregas.

I mean look where the guy was born for chrissakes. Not to mention where Henry signed. If he's going back to Spain, it ain't with Madrid.
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Exactly how I feel. Although, I would like Robinho. Not in a swap deal for Cesc though. Why can't we give them Reyes and a couple million pounds for Robinho. That would solve alot of Arsenal's problems.

I honestly feel like if Madrid don't make a decent offer for Reyes we should keep him. If he wants to play, great. If he doesn't, f*** him. Make him sit until his contract is up.
 
UK mag World Soccer had some awards to give out.

Best team (evar):
1. Brasil 1970
2. Hungary 1953
3. Netherlands 1974
4. AC Milan 1989/1990
5. Brazil 1958
6. Real Madrid 1956-60
7. Brazil 1982
8. Barcelona 1991-94
9. Italy 1934-38
10. France 1998- 2000

11. River Plate late 1940s
12. Ajax 1971-73
13. Bayern Munich 1974-76
14. Celtic 1967
15. France 1984
16. Denmark 1986
17. Real Madrid 1998
18. Totttenham 1961
18. Liverpool 1977
20. Manchester United 1999

Best goal (evar):
1. Maradonna
2. Van Basten
3. Zidane
4. Saeed Owairan
5. Pelé
6. Gemmill
7. Alberto
8. Puskas
9. Maradona
10. Messi

11. Ricky Villa - FA Cup Final, May 14, 1981
12. Ryan Giggs - FA Cup semi-final, April 14, 1999
13. Rivaldo - Spanish League, June 17, 2000
14. Dennis Bergkamp - World Cup quarter-final, July 4, 1998
15. Esteban Cambiasso - World Cup first round, June 16, 2006
16. Michael Owen - World Cup second round, June 30, 1998
17. Roberto Baggio - World Cup first round, June 19, 1990
18. George Best - October 2, 1971
19. Gerd Muller - World Cup quarter-final, June 14, 1970
20. Helmut Rahn - World Cup Final, July 4, 1954




Best games (evar):
1. Italy 4-3 West Germany, World Cup semi-final, 1970
2. Liverpool 3-3 Milan (Liverpool 3-2 on pens), Champions League Final, 2005
3. Real Madrid 7-3 Eintracht Frankfurt, European Cup 1 Final, 1960
4. West Germany 3-3 France, (West Germany 5-4 on pens), World Cup semi-final, 1982
5. Hungary 4-2 Uruguay, World Cup semi-final, 1954
6. France 1-1 Brazil, (France 4-3 on pens), World Cup quarter-final, 1986
7. England 4-2 West Germany, World Cup Final, 1966
8. Brazil 4-1 Italy, World Cup Final, 1970
9. Benfica 5-3 Real Madrid, European Cup Final, 1962
10. England 3-6 Hungary, Friendly, 1953

11. West Germany 3 Hungary 2, World Cup Final, 1954
12. Italy 3 Brazil 2, World Cup second group stage, 1982
13. Brazil 1 Uruguay 2, World Cup Final, 1950
14. Manchester United 2 Bayern Munich 1, Champions League Final, 1999
15. Blackpool 4 Bolton 3, FA Cup Final, 1953
16. Liverpool 5 Alaves 4, UEFA Cup Final, 2001
17. France 3 Portugal 2, European Championship semi-final, 1984
18. Barcelona 4 Fortuna Dusseldorf 3, Cup-winners Cup Final, 1979
19. Germany 0 Italy 2, World Cup semi-final, 2006
20. West Germany 2 Holland 1, World Cup second round, 1990

May be a bit biased towards England as it's an English mag. (man, that took way too long :S)
 
Given that I was, at best, 6 for any of those teams, I can't comment on that. Well, aside from saying it's pretty stupid to compare teams from different eras anyway.

Zidane? Really? Great goal, but third best of all time? I pretty much see goals every season which wow me more.

Milan - Liverpool was admittedly extremely dramatic, but the actual standard of play wasn't brilliant.
 
yeah, lists.

be it football or art, they never make sense because of the different eras, styles opinions etc.

They do spark discussion though, which is a positive thing.

Predictably I don't agree with much. How can you trust anything that doesn't include anything Arsenal
 
The guys who are picking those goals are guys who grew up watching those games. They have their favorite players and moments engraved into their brains so there would be very little chance of any amazing goal pulled off by a current player changing their minds.

I can think of 2 off of my head: Van Persie's volley from about 20 yards out, and Henry's flcik to himself where he turned and volleyed. I also just rememberd Bergkamp's tap around the defender.

And look at that, all three are Arsenal goals. That's probably because I've been watching tons of Arsenal compilations on YouTube recently lol. But right there, off of the top of my head, three goals that could possibly have challenged each one in their list.
 
h0pper said:
Exactly how I feel. Although, I would like Robinho. Not in a swap deal for Cesc though. Why can't we give them Reyes and a couple million pounds for Robinho. That would solve alot of Arsenal's problems.

I honestly feel like if Madrid don't make a decent offer for Reyes we should keep him. If he wants to play, great. If he doesn't, f*** him. Make him sit until his contract is up.
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anyone care to comment on this? I don't want it to get lost up top. I feel like I have a pretty decent idea here. Hopefully Madrid would be willing to listen to something like this.
 
yeah, I'd love Robinho, but I highly doubt that Madrid would actually let him go. He's played too well towards the end of the season and he's playing too well at the moment for Brazil. If they get Robben and Reyes I suppose things could change though.

Reyes will definitely be sold, be it Real or some other Spanish club that is willing to pay 9 or 10 million.
 
hadareud said:
What pisses me off is that all this comes after he's had a mediocre season and never played anywhere close to his ability. Before criticizing others he should improve his own game for ****s sake.
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That's what bugs me the most. To be fair Gallas admitted he didn't have a strong season, but he oughta have one for us first before opening his trap every other week as if he's the one wearing the armband. What he did at Chelsea and France really doesn't mean shit here.

Frankly I'm surprised Henry got ditched before Billy...but I guess it's even harder to find a frontline center back then a goal poacher.


hadareud said:
Predictably I don't agree with much. How can you trust anything that doesn't include anything Arsenal
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:lol In all seriousness, I'm a little miffed that The Invincibles weren't included. I mean they did make it to the semi's of the FA Cup (beaten by Man U) and the quarters of the Champions League (beaten by Chelsea). Beyond that they played some of the most entertaining football in years, a style so good they were getting applause in away grounds. That's not even getting into the historical mark of being just the second team to go unbeaten in the English top flight. They were stupidly good that season.
 
h0pper said:
The guys who are picking those goals are guys who grew up watching those games. They have their favorite players and moments engraved into their brains so there would be very little chance of any amazing goal pulled off by a current player changing their minds.

I can think of 2 off of my head: Van Persie's volley from about 20 yards out, and Henry's flcik to himself where he turned and volleyed. I also just rememberd Bergkamp's tap around the defender.

And look at that, all three are Arsenal goals. That's probably because I've been watching tons of Arsenal compilations on YouTube recently lol. But right there, off of the top of my head, three goals that could possibly have challenged each one in their list.
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To be honest, as far as lists go I'm quite happy with this one overall. Yeah it's UK-biased, yeah there are things I don't agree with, but the majority I tend to agree with.

But I do agree with you one one thing: Henry's flick-turn-and-volley goal against United should be there.
 
Liverpool improved their Babel bid to 13.5 million (can anyone hear that knocking sound in the background?). Let's see if he joins them, the traitor.

rumours:

TRANSFER RUMOURS

Chelsea Arjen Robben's lawyer is in Spain to hold talks with Real Madrid, who still want to sign the winger. (The Sun)

Liverpool are set to sign Ajax winger Ryan Babel after returning with a £13.5m bid on Monday night on the back of having a £10m offer rejected. (The Sun)

Fiorentina are ready to sign Freddie Ljungberg from Arsenal for £5.5m. (The Guardian)

Arsenal's Cesc Fabregas will turn his back on a £27m move to Real Madrid, even though he is a top target for new Madrid boss Bernd Schuster. (Daily Star)

Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill is ready to make an £8m bid for Spurs striker Jermain Defoe. (Daily Star)

Arsenal are poised to launch a £13m bid for Newcastle striker Obafemi Martins this week. (The Independent)

Newcastle have emerged as rivals to Liverpool in the race to sign Manchester United Gabriel Heinze. (Daily Star)

Blackburn boss Mark Hughes wants Bayern Munich striker Roque Santa Cruz. (Daily Mirror)

Portsmouth will complete the signing of Preston striker David Nugent on Tuesday. (Various)

Chelsea misfit Khalid Boulahrouz is poised to join Seville in a half-price £3.5m deal. (Daily Mirror)

New Manchester City boss Sven-Goran Eriksson is to make Swede Christian Wilhelmsson his first signing. (Various)

Everton are mulling over the possibility of making a bid for £6m-rated Wigan defender Leighton Baines. (Daily Express)

Celtic have rejected a £1.5m approach from Fulham for left-back Lee Naylor. (Daily Mail)

St Etienne have launched a bid for Sochaux midfielder Guirane N'Daw after Celtic had an offer of £2.2m rejected. (Daily Express)

Celtic target Rod Fanni has been told by Nice that he is not for sale unless clubs meet their £3.4m valuation. (The Herald)

Sheffield United boss Bryan Robson is ready to offer Celtic £3m for midfielder Thomas Gravesen. (Daily Mirror)

Gretna have signed 19-year-old goalkeeper Nathan Wright from Darlington. (Various)

Leicester look set to land a £2m double swoop to sign Stephen Clemence and DJ Campbell from Birmingham. (Daily Star)

Leeds striker Robbie Blake is in talks with Burnley about a £500,000 return to Turf Moor. (Various)

OTHER GOSSIP

Arsenal defender William Gallas has demanded crunch talks with Gunners manager Arsene Wenger over the failure to bring in a big name to replace striker Thierry Henry. (Various)

New Manchester United midfielder Owen Hargreaves has pleaded with fans not to compare him to former Old Trafford captain Roy Keane. (Daily Mirror)

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho is set for a row with new director of football Avram Grant - as the Portuguese manager does not want Grant sitting in the dug-out during matches. (Various)

Meanwhile, Grant insists that his appointment has been done with Mourinho's blessing. (The Guardian)

LA Galaxy boss Alexi Lalas has warned David Beckham to concentrate on football, not showbiz, when he begins playing for the club. (Various)

Dundee have revealed that they turned down new Real Madrid boss Bernd Schuster when he wanted to become boss at Dens Park in 2000. (Various)

AND FINALLY

Sven-Goran Eriksson is to call on the advice of mystical gurus and introduce yoga to Manchester City's training regime. (The Sun)

Manchester United players are making plans to keep Charley in the Big Brother house - so that they can keep ribbing her cousin, team-mate Kieran Richardson. (Daily Star)

Rangers skipper Barry Ferguson says Jean Claude Darcheville impressed his new team-mates with some swanky sleight-of-hand magic tricks. (Daily Record)

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/6286738.stm

Published: 2007/07/10 06:50:38 GMT

© BBC MMVII
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Lakitu said:
£13.5 million for Babel? You have to be kidding me...
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i think Arsenal may have dodged a bullet there.

And by the way, why didn't your cat know about this?

Fiorentina are ready to sign Freddie Ljungberg from Arsenal for £5.5m. (The Guardian)
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edit: I don't believe it though. Who would pay 5.5 million for a 30 year old that's constantly injured and that probably is beyond his best?
 
hadareud said:
i think Arsenal may have dodged a bullet there.

And by the way, why didn't your cat know about this?



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Freddie Ljungberg is going for £27 Million?

And no, Wiggles has no idea. Wiggles failed me.
 
that's disappointing. I'd ask my cat, but she's a few thousand kilometres away

edit: arseblogger isn't so happy with Gallas either
Free Willy, I say. But not for free. We could easily get a few million for the blabbermouthed cunt
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:lol
 
Madrid has signed Pepe from Porto.

Not sure what to think. I haven't seen him play, but a brazilian centreback doesn't inspire much confidence. I'd like to see Woody back, but they'll probably be dumb enough to sell him now that he is actually healthy.

Also, this probably means the Chivu deal is no more. That money sucking bastard can go wherever the hell he wants.
 
should be enough I suppose. Maybe we can convince Inter that he's a striker. Would also put the price up.
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I just received the new Arsenal away shirt btw and they threw in a special edition football for good measure. This could be a good day maybe.
 
Sagna has passed his medical at Arsenal and will be presented today.

7.5 million is a lot for a defender, but I think he could strengthen us considerably at the back.

He can also play left and serve as a backup for Clichy and I think Eboue will be converted into a winger. Hoyte will be the backup fullback both left and right and should get quite a few games that way too.

Allegedly we are sill after Martins and a deal could be done this week. I say allegedly because I don't believe it at all.

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that hair has to change though. This is clearly not good enough.
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It looks like worms are hanging from his head.



I wouldnt be surprised if liverpool do pay 13.5 million pounds. They've already paid 10 million pounds too much for one player this summer and i think they'll do it again with babel.
 
the Martins rumour is apparently more than a rumour now and Arsenal are launching a bid this week.

will this be our signings done? I would think so
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I don't think we were ever after Torres and I highly doubt we were prepared to pay anywhere close to that money for Babel.
 
I've worked out a new way for me to be excited for the new premiership season without Tevez.


It took all my GCSE math skillz but i think it works...


Shearer + Bellamy = Newcastle in champions league

Ashton = new Shearer

therefore

Ashton + Bellamy = West Ham in the champions league.


Confirmed.
 
Hooker said:
Best games (evar):
1. Italy 4-3 West Germany, World Cup semi-final, 1970
2. Liverpool 3-3 Milan (Liverpool 3-2 on pens), Champions League Final, 2005
3. Real Madrid 7-3 Eintracht Frankfurt, European Cup 1 Final, 1960
4. West Germany 3-3 France, (West Germany 5-4 on pens), World Cup semi-final, 1982
5. Hungary 4-2 Uruguay, World Cup semi-final, 1954
6. France 1-1 Brazil, (France 4-3 on pens), World Cup quarter-final, 1986
7. England 4-2 West Germany, World Cup Final, 1966
8. Brazil 4-1 Italy, World Cup Final, 1970
9. Benfica 5-3 Real Madrid, European Cup Final, 1962
10. England 3-6 Hungary, Friendly, 1953
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I'll go over the whole thing later because I cant be bothered right now. I'm glad to see the west germany vs france game up there. That was one hell of a game. Germany did so well to come back in extra time. Luck was on their side that day because they should have been a man down. Schumacher should have been sent off. he had no intention of getting the ball, he just wanted to knock out the french player. France didnt even get a penalty and schumacher did even get a booking!
 
hadareud said:
the Martins rumour is apparently more than a rumour now and Arsenal are launching a bid this week.

will this be our signings done? I would think so
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I think it would be a good buy. The only problem is that you'll lose him and adebayor during the african cup, ut if da silva and van persie can stay fit you should be ok.
 
yeah, I'm sure he's good and would to well for us. But we have quite a few strikers already (Eduardo, Van Persie, Adebayor, Bendtner, Walcott) so this may be a bit much. We did of course lose 3 strikers and only got in 2 so far, so who knows.

That said, maybe Wenger sees Eduardo as more of a winger, apparently he played on the wing quite a bit in Zagreb and maybe he really wants us to switch to a 4-3-3, then it would make sense to get another striker.

Van Persie ----------------------- Eduardo
------------------- Martins -----------------

wouldn't be too bad I suppose
 
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