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Official Football Thread 2007/2008 (Soccer)

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How come Arsenal have so many fans in the US?
They've never been here as far as i know, although I've only lived here 3 1/2 yrs.
in Nigeria however, there are a lot of Man U and Arsenal fans, and i mean a lot. the
atmosphere when they play each other is almost like being in a stadium. Entire
neighbourhoods congregate to watch the game, bets are made and lots of smack talk goes
down.
 
edbrat said:
hi Cornballer


No way the most popular on a global basis - Man U - Liverpool - Chelsea are leading the pack right now. Their fans just send you mail out of basic insecurity about the coming season :D

old Article,mate. And after the unbeaten season, i was pimpin the Arsenal myself.Still do, actually :p
 
I'd say a large part of it is / was Henry, yeah. Unbeaten season helped too.

Don't agree with you on United or Liverpool though. Just look at this thread!
 
Cornballer said:
They're typically referrred at Tottenham or Spurs. Also, keep in mind that you're going to take endless stick from the Arsenal fans since they're rivals.
Reading have two Americans playing for them, too: Bobby Convey and Marcus Hahnemann.

Reading sounds good then....
 
Karakand said:
Don't agree with you on United or Liverpool though. Just look at this thread!
Here meaning the US, not specifically this thread. But speaking of this thread, aren't most of the Arsenal supporters from outside the US? I think h0pper and I are the only two from the States.

LiveWire said:
Reading sounds good then....
Fulham also have 3 Americans, and there are a few other scattered through the league.
 
Karakand said:
Do you know where in England or Germany your family is from?

Czech... too small a country to really get too particular about your allegiances (no offense Czechers). So it'd be down to Sparta or Slavia.

Also don't listen to Bill Simmons.

Yea, I hate Simmons for the most part--can't stand the Boston "woe is me" attitude. I'd rather have to listen to someone be endlessly optimistic about their team (Redskins? :lol) than be endlessly pessimistic or always saying "somehow Belichick gets it done with nothing every year!"

No idea where my family is from in Germany, but I think the English side was Welsh? My last name is Allen.
 
1.5 million watch Beckham's MLS debut
August 10, 2007

BRISTOL, CONNECTICUT (TICKER) -- David Beckham's Major League Soccer debut for the Los Angeles Galaxy on Thursday drew a record 1.5 million television viewers for an MLS game, according to ESPN.

The Galaxy lost, 1-0, to D.C. United, with Beckham coming on as a 72nd-minute substitute.

ESPN News said Friday that the figures outstripped the previous record - 1,092,000 saw D.C. United vs. San Jose in 1996.

The 32-year-old Beckham had missed four Galaxy games with an ankle injury.

A sellout crowd of 46,686 saw Beckham make some precision passes, although he was unable to change the course of the game.
These numbers will drop a bit since they're overnight ratings, but it's still a good sign. The DCU-San Jose game was the league opener, eh?
 
Cornballer said:
Interview with Nowak about the US U23 coaching gig.
I would still maintain that there are more ManU fans and possibly Liverpool fans here. Though there has been a serious influx of bandwagon Arsenal fans in the US the past few years with Wenger's success, Henry being a global marketing tool (and a hell of a player), etc..

They need to come down here and promote themselves.Only way i'm gonna get to watch them live before i go there next summer.
 
woodchuck said:
wtf the new season is starting this weekend? shouldn't these guys get more time off?

WHATTTTT!!!!!

We've been without the EPL for too long.Anymore waiting and i might do something drastic.

But antyway, most of the players have been on Holidayfrom May till July
 
velvet_nitemare said:
WHATTTTT!!!!!

We've been without the EPL for too long.Anymore waiting and i might do something drastic.

But antyway, most of the players have been on Holidayfrom May till July

I still don't think that's enough for the players. They also play international matches and exhibitions. It just seems like this could cause more injuries.
 
woodchuck said:
I still don't think that's enough for the players. They also play international matches and exhibitions. It just seems like this could cause more injuries.
Agreed. This is particularly problematic on World Cup or Euro years - there are always a bunch of injured players the following season.
 
Cornballer said:
Osorio - here's the breakdown on all of the Americans playing in England this weekend. It's a pretty comprehensive list.
Thanks I'll bookmark this site for its use throughout the season.

Karakand said:
As a hardcore DCU hater myself I am ambivalent about aiding you but hey what the hell.
Dude there's a DC fan in here now. What are we gonna do about it?

Also there's finally a Spurs fan here? I hope some good post wars break out. Good luck edbrat this place is infested with Gooners.
 
Karakand said:
Both are inevitable occurrences. Why hope for something inevitable.
we'll see karakand.

I'm actually quite nervous about that game. Its an away game and its a much improved city,
 
Cornballer said:
Here meaning the US, not specifically this thread. But speaking of this thread, aren't most of the Arsenal supporters from outside the US? I think h0pper and I are the only two from the States.
Well that's like 1 more fan than any of the other clubs here. Perspective man, it's all about perspective!

I also thought of another reason Arsenal have a lot of fans in the U.S.: name. Teams aren't usually named solely by their geographic location here so something like Fulham FC sounds really bland. The other clubs that have some other attachment are either boring (e.g. United, City, County, Athletic) or bizarre and arcane (e.g. Wanderers, Rovers, Hotspur). Arsenal sounds like something an American team would use.

LiveWire said:
No idea where my family is from in Germany, but I think the English side was Welsh? My last name is Allen.
Hmmm sounds like a wash. Pick who ya want, I guess. If you want to be a cool kid that gets to laugh at everybody else I say you come sit at the unglamorous club table with Osorio and me by picking Reading.

Osorio said:
Dude there's a DC fan in here now. What are we gonna do about it?
I know Wire from the NFL threads so I can see myself toning it down a notch or three.
 
Wes said:
Good luck to all fans of English clubs for the new season tommorow. Lets hope it's a good year for all :D
For everyone's sake, lets hope wigan get relegated. Its bound to happen anyway, they've got bramble.
 
psycho_snake said:
I'm actually quite nervous about that game. Its an away game and its a much improved city,
The eve of a new season is much like the night before you get married (so I'm told). The cocksure attitude goes in the closet and you worry, worry, worry. Then the next day you either get laid and glow (United fans) or you get stood up and become bitter (City fans).
 
Karakand said:
Hmmm sounds like a wash. Pick who ya want, I guess. If you want to be a cool kid that gets to laugh at everybody else I say you come sit at the unglamorous club table with Osorio and me by picking Reading.
No doubt. This place is like a school cafeteria. Pick Reading and you're down with the cool cats. Though I'd still give it to you if you chose Everton or Fulham.

Karakand said:
I know Wire from the NFL threads so I can see myself toning it down a notch or three.
There's a big difference between LA-DC and NY-DC. My hatred is really strong but as long as he doesn't turn into the DC fans you find on Bigsoccer it'll still be chill around here.
 
Cornballer said:
These numbers will drop a bit since they're overnight ratings, but it's still a good sign. The DCU-San Jose game was the league opener, eh?
Its a good start, but I still dont think Beckham can make football much more popular. Its a good sign that so many people watched him play his debut, but will people be interested enough to keep watching him weekly? Even if that does happen, will it encourage people all over america to follow the MLS closely and not just focus on beckahm?
 
Osorio said:
No doubt. This place is like a school cafeteria. Pick Reading and you're down with the cool cats. Though I'd still give it to you if you chose Everton or Fulham.
We smoke in the bathroom too. BAD TO THE BONE!!!
 
psycho_snake said:
Its a good start, but I still dont think Beckham can make football much more popular. Its a good sign that so many people watched him play his debut, but will people be interested enough to keep watching him weekly? Even if that does happen, will it encourage people all over america to follow the MLS closely and not just focus on beckahm?
That's the key, really - are any of the people that watched the other night going to be interested in a game that doesn't involve Beckham? Hopefully, at least some of them are going to stick around. It was too bad that the level of play last night left a bit to be desired. Would've been great to have a showcase match that went 3-2 or something.
 
Cornballer said:
That's the key, really - are any of the people that watched the other night going to be interested in a game that doesn't involve Beckham? Hopefully, at least some of them are going to stick around. It was too bad that the level of play last night left a bit to be desired. Would've been great to have a showcase match that went 3-2 or something.
Becks needs to be involved in games like that. He needs to be part of entertainign games if he has any chance of making football any more popular in america. The problem is that backham isnt the type of guy that can make games fun to watch. He's never been able to dribble past people and his whole game is based on passing and crossing. Now for those of us who follow football closely, its nice to see beckham do those things and we can really appreciate it, but a long range pass or a good cross isnt going to make people sit up and take notice like someone who could dribble past loads of players.
 
Here's the thing: there are millions of soccer fans in the States. MLS shouldn't try to get baseball fans or American football fans to like soccer. If they got soccer fans in this country to become MLS fans it would become a huge league. So soccer fans can appreciate his talents.
 
psycho_snake said:
Becks needs to be involved in games like that. He needs to be part of entertainign games if he has any chance of making football any more popular in america.
Not really. I think of him as a gateway drug - get people into the stadium and watching matches. If they like what they see, they'll come back for more.
 
Osorio said:
Here's the thing: there are millions of soccer fans in the States. MLS shouldn't try to get baseball fans or American football fans to like soccer. If they got soccer fans in this country to become MLS fans it would become a huge league. So soccer fans can appreciate his talents.

Since we're on the subject of soccer success in America, I present you this awesome rant http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/08/bobby_boswell_on_bspn.html.

Bobby Boswell on last night's ESPN telecast said:
"It was a good crowd," he said. "[The atmosphere] was good. You want to play in packed houses." He paused. Then he began.

"I'll tell you what [makes me mad]," he said. "If you watch SportsCenter today they were showing [highlights]. It was an ESPN-covered game. You would think they would show the highlights of the game, but the highlights were when Beckham warmed up, when he went in, a free kick...and then they just show him kind of after the game.

"And my whole point is, the goal was an exciting shot, there's a red card, there's a dirty foul: that's cool. There's a lot of chances. How do you just show him and they say, 'Oh, they lost 1-0.' What did anyone get out of that, you know what I mean? I don't know if the league has anything to do with it, but it's just going to turn into if Beckham does well, they're going to get some kind of coverage, and if not, it's just going to be a nightmare. It would have been better if he didn't come in and ESPN covered the game, so they had to show highlights. As it is now, what did anyone learn from watching that SportsCenter today? That Beckham played. That's it. They didn't learn anything else....

Hate him but I have to give props to Boswell for speaking out on the lame coverage.
 
IT'S BACK, BABY!

The Fink Tank, obviously. I'm not going to post it in full every week, you can just check it every Saturday, but as it's the first one of the season...

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Ferguson needs to look at the bigger picture for excitement

What is Sir Alex Ferguson talking about? He says he is sorry that the title race is always two teams duking it out. He wants more openness. What does he mean? Look at the graphic. The Barclays Premier League is wide open. Almost anyone could go down. That is the conclusion of the Fink Tank Predictor, and I suspect you would like to know how we got there.

Dr Henry Stott and Dr Ian Graham take the goals and shots on goal over the past two seasons and weight them so that the most recent results count most strongly. Using this to assess the strength of each team, our model takes the fixture list and simulates the season thousands and thousands of times.

The fact that team performances fluctuate randomly is also simulated. The outcome is the table you see on this page - the probabilities for each team finishing in any one of the 20 positions in the Premier League. We also show the mean table, showing you where you should expect your team to finish.

Two health warnings before I go on. The first is that this represents the best prediction you can make at this point, but you can be certain that things will not finish exactly as our mean table suggests. Why? Because the league season is not long enough to iron out the huge amount of luck involved.

The second is that we have taken no account of transfers. This may seem a terrible failing, but how much do we know about the impact transfers will make? You might have been tempted to boost Chelsea last year, after Michael Ballack and Andriy Shevchenko arrived, but it would have been a mistake. Add in transfers and you are replacing science and data with hunch. Our system learns from results and that is the best way to make predictions.


Now, the data itself. First, we make Chelsea (51 per cent), not Manchester United (32 per cent), favourites for the title. Indeed, they are more likely to win it than at this time last season, because of a fall in Arsenal’s and Liverpool’s chances. But we still give Arsenal a 10 per cent chance of title glory, compared with Liverpool’s 6 per cent.

Second, the gulf between the big boys and the rest remains. Tottenham Hotspur have a 19 per cent chance of a Champions League place but virtually no hope of winning the Premier League title. Rather oddly, the model also rates Blackburn Rovers, although most pundits would not have picked them out in a lineup.

Finally, the relegation battle promises to be fascinating. There are ten clubs with a more than 10 per cent chance of being relegated and only one team (Derby County) with a more than 50 per cent chance of going down.

The openness means that Roy Keane has a 79 per cent chance of keeping Sunderland up. It also means that Sven-Göran Eriksson has a 17 per cent chance of seeing his first season end in catastrophe.

The figures will be reassuring to Reading (only 5 per cent chance of relegation), but it is difficult to know if our data will alarm the fans of Wigan Athletic (36 per cent) and Fulham (25 per cent) or be slightly less bad than they thought. Then there are Everton. They have an 11 per cent chance of relegation, yet a sliver of a chance of finishing in the Champions League places. They are the poster boys for the biggest truth about football - even with our sophisticated modelling, it is an incredibly difficult game to predict.

On this much, however, we can be certain. Ferguson need not worry. An exciting season is ahead of us.

Please read the bolded parts carefully. The most important one is that they don't factor in transfers, which makes sense given the reason they give. You just don't know how a player will perform, certainly not if they're coming from a different country. So those teams who have spent a lot are probably going to do better than the table says, Man City and West Ham in particular, but not necessarily.

I still love it though, 'cos it says Blackburn are the 6th best team in the country.
 
I guess you can include me as a casual Arsenal fan. Dennis Bergkamp was my favorite player, so I've liked the team since then. But I don't get too worked up if they win or lose, so I guess I'm not that much of a fan. But if I had to pick a team in the Premier League, it would be Arsenal.
 
woodchuck said:
I guess you can include me as a casual Arsenal fan. Dennis Bergkamp was my favorite player, so I've liked the team since then. But I don't get too worked up if they win or lose, so I guess I'm not that much of a fan. But if I had to pick a team in the Premier League, it would be Arsenal.

Have you thought about supporting FC Dallas?

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Reyna is such a waste of time and money.
 
The Times says Ecclestone will try and buy Arsenal next year, and in fact directly quotes him as saying he would buy Arsenal now if they were available.

They also think Dyer's move to West Ham is back on, and Solano also wants to leave for a capital club.
 
Osorio said:
Have you thought about supporting FC Dallas?


Reyna is such a waste of time and money.

yeah, i watch fc dallas games whenever they're on tv. I still need to actually go to a game though.

and reyna does suck, especially after what happened in the ghana match last year
 
Are you going to get any sleep Mama, or is it just like Christmas Eve for a kid?

The Fink Tank predicts a very close relegation battle - that'll be interesting this year.
 
woodchuck said:
yeah, i watch fc dallas games whenever they're on tv. I still need to actually go to a game though.
That's awesome. Is the stadium being in Frisco that much of a problem? People still debate the benefits of a downtown stadium, and I heard Dallas' stadium being the biggest case in point for this.
 
OH MY GOD! I just read the funniest thing ever.

An article where Porto's president says that Madrid has shown interest not only in Pepe, but in Quaresma and Lucho Gonzalez too. Well, he had the nerve to tell Madrid that he would give them Lucho in exchange for Ruud, straight up. :lol :lol :lol
 
So that Fink tank table is actually closer to being a prediction for last years table with this years teams? Pretty impressive because its damn close all over the table.
 
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