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Official Football Thread 2007/2008 (Soccer)
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Oh, I can fix that in a jiffy.Yazan said:
There isnt' even MLS talk.
Yes, please.
Cornballer
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For the bored: the Guardian's Thursday Quiz is all about Crouch.
Hey, The Crew beat Independiente 2-1! Anybody care? Anyone? Didn't think so...
I wish the friendlies weren't so... unexciting. I would have loved to go and see my Crew play against one of Argentina's big five, but the idea of spending money to go sit in an 80% empty stadium where we pull must of our starters early... not very appealing.
I wish the friendlies weren't so... unexciting. I would have loved to go and see my Crew play against one of Argentina's big five, but the idea of spending money to go sit in an 80% empty stadium where we pull must of our starters early... not very appealing.
Cornballer
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How much were tickets? Just curious if they lower the rates for friendlies.
Man, I haven't been to a home game in a long time - this road trip is lame.
Man, I haven't been to a home game in a long time - this road trip is lame.
Regular price. I looked at the best tickets avalible, $40 to sit in the 12th row or so. Sorry, but games with attendance under 6,000 where starters don't play most of the game should be at discount prices.Cornballer said:
Anyway, I'm going to the next Revs @ Crew game. I can't fucking wait.
Cornballer
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Off to NYC for a long weekend. 
Don't forget that the Super Clasico is tomorrow night on ESPN2 in stunning HD. I think the All-Star lineups should be up tomorrow, as well. Catch y'all on the flipside.
Don't forget that the Super Clasico is tomorrow night on ESPN2 in stunning HD. I think the All-Star lineups should be up tomorrow, as well. Catch y'all on the flipside.Cedeo said:
ahh just re-watching the Champions League final.
:lol Setanta and a couple other channels have been showing games from last season, which is pretty cool. Saw the Arsenal/Man U Emirates tilt last week, which was hardly a classic but was fairly tense and highly competitive. Also saw Tottenham vs Chelsea from White Hart Lane with Chelsea TV's commentators, which defintely added to the lolz factor of that goal fest. Tottenham probably accounted for three of the top five games of the year. :lol
an English club have apparently had a 19 million pound offer for Arshavin rejected. His agent hints that it could have been Arsenal.
Fucking hell, 19 million. They say they want 24, but I guess it will end up being just over 20.
The prices are getting more and more ridiculous each year.
I was also just thinking - what if Wenger see's Arshavin as a striker rather than a winger? Is going to be the actual Adebayor replacement, and will we spend the rest of his transfer fee on a defensive midfielder?
Questions over questions, and probably all over a fake story.
Fucking hell, 19 million. They say they want 24, but I guess it will end up being just over 20.
The prices are getting more and more ridiculous each year.
I was also just thinking - what if Wenger see's Arshavin as a striker rather than a winger? Is going to be the actual Adebayor replacement, and will we spend the rest of his transfer fee on a defensive midfielder?
Questions over questions, and probably all over a fake story.
rumour post and where those rumours would leave us (only containing rumours that say we actually put in a bid or the other way around)
OUT:
Hleb 15m
Adebayor 35m
Gilberto 3m
Flamini free
Lehmann free
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53 million
IN:
Ramsey 5m
Nasri 12m
Bischoff free
Arshavin 21m
Falcao 8m
Vela n/a
??? ???
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45.5
+ 7 million
+ 25 million untouched rumoured transfer budget
2.5 strikers for 1 striker leaving
2.5 wingers for 1 winger leaving
1 midfielder for 2 leaving
0 goalkeepers for 1 leaving
0 defenders for 0 leaving
comments: it's pretty obvious where we would need to spend the remaining money. Still doesn't seem like we've made a firm offer for a defensive midfielder, this is worrying.
OUT:
Hleb 15m
Adebayor 35m
Gilberto 3m
Flamini free
Lehmann free
----
53 million
IN:
Ramsey 5m
Nasri 12m
Bischoff free
Arshavin 21m
Falcao 8m
Vela n/a
??? ???
---
45.5
+ 7 million
+ 25 million untouched rumoured transfer budget
2.5 strikers for 1 striker leaving
2.5 wingers for 1 winger leaving
1 midfielder for 2 leaving
0 goalkeepers for 1 leaving
0 defenders for 0 leaving
comments: it's pretty obvious where we would need to spend the remaining money. Still doesn't seem like we've made a firm offer for a defensive midfielder, this is worrying.
£20mn now was ~£12mn in 2000.
Price rise is roughly inline with general price increases in tickets, ~7% annualised.
If we are buying players for big money I don't believe the shit that the NotW printed about the £17mn surplus. That sounds like Wenger shit stirring more than anything and as hadareud has shown, does not reflect the reality shown on the annual report to shareholders.
EDIT: Also I believe we should sign Arshavin for the NKVD sorry KGB sorry FSB support we shall receive in matches. If people liviing in London haven't realised the entire West End of London is now a mini-Moscow. The number of Russians living there is insane. They are all incredibly rich. Not chump change rich. Loaded like you can't believe.
Price rise is roughly inline with general price increases in tickets, ~7% annualised.
If we are buying players for big money I don't believe the shit that the NotW printed about the £17mn surplus. That sounds like Wenger shit stirring more than anything and as hadareud has shown, does not reflect the reality shown on the annual report to shareholders.
EDIT: Also I believe we should sign Arshavin for the NKVD sorry KGB sorry FSB support we shall receive in matches. If people liviing in London haven't realised the entire West End of London is now a mini-Moscow. The number of Russians living there is insane. They are all incredibly rich. Not chump change rich. Loaded like you can't believe.
Looks like West Ham will be selling Zamora and Paintsil this week, they even put on the official site that they've allowed Fulham to talk to the players, which is an unusual level of communication, just goes to show what a load of shit the paper talk is though when they make official statements about potentially insignificant things like that.
This is good because it coincides with a tip I heard yesterday that said we will lose a popular player this week (Zamora is a good fit), and announce an 'international' signing before the all-stars game in 2 weeks.
This is good because it coincides with a tip I heard yesterday that said we will lose a popular player this week (Zamora is a good fit), and announce an 'international' signing before the all-stars game in 2 weeks.
It's a difficult one this summer, Wenger knows he needs to sign an experienced, preferably big name player, if just to send out a signal of ambition to the clubs supporters and to the competition as well.avaya said:
I think it pains him, he doesn't like to pay big money. He never did and I don't think he'll ever get used to it.
Arshavin would be ideal from that perspective - he's 27, which is an excellent age, he's high profile and a signing sure to excite the fans etc. He voiced doubts over his fitness, but that too looks like it's a negotiation tactic.
The alleged bid for Falcao (22 year old Colombian striker, 38 goals in 58 league games for River Plate) does show that he won't change his policy though. I'm sure he'd like Huntelaar too, but paying close to 20 million for a young player is not what he does or at least not something he feels comfortable with.
I'm very happy with the policy, but as we can see now the transfer market does make it extremely difficult to sustain. Like Wenger said, it's making mercenaries out of the players.
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what..
It is making mercenaries out of players and we have to move on I think. Football employment rules are just coming to parity with general employment law. The era of players staying years at a club because they love the club is coming to an end. The only players that will do that these days will be the youth players bought up through the ranks and they are very difficult to bring through.
As for Arshavin, he is the closest thing to Pires I have seen in a long time. He is deceptively tricky and has a sharp turn of pace over the first 10metres and even his signature celebration has a hint of Bobby about it. He would suit our style of play. We have never replaced Pires.
Falcao is interesting, heard the rumours some days ago from a Fleet Street friend but didn't believe it.
I think Huntelaar is overrated.
As for Arshavin, he is the closest thing to Pires I have seen in a long time. He is deceptively tricky and has a sharp turn of pace over the first 10metres and even his signature celebration has a hint of Bobby about it. He would suit our style of play. We have never replaced Pires.
Falcao is interesting, heard the rumours some days ago from a Fleet Street friend but didn't believe it.
I think Huntelaar is overrated.
psycho_snake
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I don't think he's specifically talking about ronaldo. I think he's talking about a couple of other cases along with ronaldo's, such as adebayor.hadareud said:
Blatter once again proves that he's a cunt. What the fuck does he know about each players situation? So far 95% of the Ronaldo rumours are complete bollocks and its just the press trying to stir things up.
I hate this comparison between football and slaves. My arse footballers arelike slaves. It is an absolute joke. Slaves were made to do things against their will, they were not given any freedom, they were treated like shit and they had no money. Footballers earn millions to play football and are given brilliant treatment. Blatter said that clubs are keeping players against the players will , but no one ever forced those players to sign a fucking contract, did they? Clubs offer the contract and the players choose to sign. Its not the clubs fault if the player suddenly realises that he doesnt want to stay for another year after he's signed for 5 years.
If Blatter keeps this up, then in a few more years contracts will be meaningless. Its getting closer and closer to being like that. Now a player can buy out their contract with 2 years left and if they have one year left they can speak to other clubs, which puts them in a perfect position to blackmail the clubs. In a couple of years time we'll probably see a rule which states that f a player hands in a transfer request with three years left on their contract, the club will be forced to let them leave on a free. Its eventually going to get to the point where a contract will become pointless.
yeah, we do have to move on because we don't have another choice. That's the way it is, you have to adapt to what's happening.avaya said:
And while I'm the last one to be jealous of players wages, I think there's a few vital differences between them and normal employees.
- player development. Clubs are putting massive amounts of money into the development of the players and should be paid accordingly for it.
- public view. Football gives players the opportunity to show their talents on a global stage, generate interest in them that way.
- agents
- sponsorship
- etc.
Basically, footballers are much more similar to artists (pop stars etc.) than they are to normal employees. It has to be reflected and the enormous wages being paid too have to be reflected. You cannot treat somebody that's earning 10 million a year the same as somebody that's earning 10 grand a year in certain aspects. Those aspects of course don't include them being treated disrespectfully etc. I'm sure you know what I mean.
psycho_snake said:
Pretty much the same view as I have on the subject. At some point along the line it was decided players shouldn't be held accountable for there actions.
If a player decides to sign for 5 years he should have to stay that long. The only times at which I can understand a player leaving is when they are being treated unfairly or the club decides to sell them.
Unfairly suggests they are being left to rot, not being paid what they are meant to or are suffering abuse from the team. Obviously more reasons exist, but, these are some off the top of my head.
I don't think a desire to play at another club is enough. If you think you are good enough and are joining another team to prove yourself sign a shorter contract. Wanting a raise isn't enough either really, you signed for however many years believing you deserved that much then so you can live with it. Otherwise ask for conditions which you could meet in order to gain a raise to be put inside your contract.
I'm not sure how to feel about the Arshavin thing. He seems like a very good player but £24 million seems a bit much, especially if he wants to leave Zenit.
Our team looks to be undergoing some major changes this summer in roster and philosophy..
Our team looks to be undergoing some major changes this summer in roster and philosophy..
hadareud said:
I don't see Wenger spending more than 15m, he's spent some money this summer and without someone going I really don't see him spending any more especially big money.
F365 had a good article saying how all the clubs (bar Portsmouth) are pushing themselves into a corner.
http://football365.com/story/0,17033,8742_3797892,00.html
Crouch will be unveiled as a Portsmouth player on Friday.
Little sad to see him go, but he didn't want to sign a new contract for whatever reason and £11m for someone in the last year is pretty good.
I don't know about that. People's opinions about Adebayor's quality are divided (for whatever reason that may be), but he did score 24 goals in the worlds best league last season and he scored over 30 in all competitions. He also is only 24 years old.Ghost said:
Arshavin is 3 years older and he's never played in a top league. So while Adebayors fee is definitely high, 24 million for Arshavin is too much, even compared to that.
The Guardian are doing a new fantasy football thing:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/fantasyfootball/getready
But you get points for crosses, tackles, interceptions and such aswell.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/fantasyfootball/getready
But you get points for crosses, tackles, interceptions and such aswell.
hmmm ...
that does look very interesting, maybe we should do two leagues this year.
they had brilliant stats. His attempt to goal ratio wasn't lower than that of Torres last season iirc
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S GONE, MY FAVOURITE STAT SITE
and it's not like there's anything else out there with decent stats. For fucks sake, this really pisses me off.
that does look very interesting, maybe we should do two leagues this year.
it's not been poor at all actually. Unfortunately the excellent site squadgod.com is gone nowmarmaraS said:
they had brilliant stats. His attempt to goal ratio wasn't lower than that of Torres last season iirc
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S GONE, MY FAVOURITE STAT SITE
and it's not like there's anything else out there with decent stats. For fucks sake, this really pisses me off.
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