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I'm going to ignore anything that trevor brooking says. I dont get his logic. It sounds like he think that if you get rid of foreigners, then we'll have a first team and back up team full of players as good as rooney or gerrard.

The whole arguement is stupid. Brooking doesnt seem to realise that we've already got such a good squad. We've got a very strong first team and we've got good back up. The problem is our manager doesn't knows fuck all.
 
had a job interview this morning, so the (boring) rumours are a bit late:

TRANSFER RUMOURS

Sheffield United lead the chase to sign Tottenham winger Wayne Routledge on loan. (Various)

Portsmouth boss Harry Redknapp has made a bid for two of Millwall's promising academy players in Tom Kilbey, 17, and keeper Sam Walker, 15. (Various)

Former Wales striker John Hartson is close to quitting West Bromwich Albion to move to home city club Swansea. (The Mirror)

Fulham outcast Ahmad Elrich will quit the Londoners to return to Australia. (Various)

OTHER GOSSIP


England boss Steve McClaren says he will do whatever is needed to ensure Liverpool midfielder Steven Gerrard is fit to start Saturday's Euro 2008 qualifier against Israel, even if it means going against Reds boss Rafael Benitez's wishes and giving the midfielder a pain-killing injection. (Various)

And either side of Gerrard is likely to be Chelsea wide boys Joe Cole and Shaun Wright-Phillips, who will start together for England for only the third time. (The Mirror)

England new-boy Joleon Lescott claims he is still unsure of his place in the Everton side, despite being called up into the national squad for the Euro 2008 qualifiers against Israel and Russia. (The Sun)

Germany team manager Oliver Bierhoff has described Michael Ballack's omission from Chelsea's Champions League squad as "stunning". (The Daily Mail)

Tottenham insists skipper Ledley King has not suffered a setback in his recovery from knee surgery, claiming the 26-year-old is "is making steady progress". (The Sun, Express)

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger says the quality of the youngsters in his squad is the main reason behind his decision to sign a new contract with the Londoners. (The Sun)

And that contract will be signed on Friday, with Wenger committing himself to the club until 2011. (The Daily Star)

Bolton striker Heidar Helguson could be out for seven weeks after an ankle operation. (The Sun).

Newcastle keeper Shay Given will have 'showdown' talks with manager Sam Allardyce when he returns from international duty after being replaced by Steve Harper in goal against Wigan at the weekend. (The Daily Mail)

Leicester chairman Milan Mandaric will approach Coventry in a bid to gain permission to talk to Iain Dowie about the vacant manager's role at the Walkers Stadium. (The Mirror)

Crystal Palace chairman Simon Jordan has promised manager Peter Taylor his job is safe - for now. (The Daily Star)

AND FINALLY


Israel midfielder Idan Tal has hit out at Euro 2008 qualifying opponents England, claiming they are little more than long-ball merchants. (The Sun)

England and Liverpool striker Peter Crouch has been identified as a marked man by referees across Europe, according to former official Graham Poll. (Various)

Wales striker Freddy Eastwood says he will be targeting Jens Lehmann when his side meet Germany on Saturday, adding: "When you look at the form I'm in and the form he's in, I definitely fancy my chances against him." (Various)

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/6979254.stm

Published: 2007/09/05 06:05:09 GMT

© BBC MMVII
 
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger says the quality of the youngsters in his squad is the main reason behind his decision to sign a new contract with the Londoners. (The Sun)

I never saw this coming.

Brooking is a typical FA twat...passing the buck of blame around, instead of looking at their own pathetic failure to develop a player in the class of a Zidane, Maradona, Pele, or even a class below. We're talking 40 years of failiure now buddy...the EPL has had the influx of internationals for the last ten. It's your fault you dumb fucks.
 
Today is a good day to be pissed off.

Schuster hits out at Reds
Real coach labels Liverpool ugly

By Lewis Rutledge Last updated: 5th September 2007
Schuster hits out at Reds

Schuster: Wary of Liverpool

Bernd Schuster has admitted that Liverpool are one of Real Madrid's main rivals for the UEFA Champions League, but has branded Rafa Benitez's side ugly and unattractive.

Liverpool have been one of the most successful teams in the Champions League in recent seasons, winning the competition in 2005 and then making the final last term.

They beat Barcelona en route to the final but Schuster believes their performance in that tie highlighted their lack of flair.

However, Schuster admits that Liverpool will once again be a threat in Europe after strengthening their squad over the summer.

"Liverpool rely on an unattractive style of football. They are an ugly team to play," Schuster told The Sun.

"Look how they gave Barcelona a going-over last season, when they knocked them out of the Champions League.

"I would rate Liverpool, like Milan, as our major rivals for the Champions League this season. They never tire of winning big trophies."

Of the other English clubs in the Champions League this season, Schuster added: "My preference would be to graft the Manchester United attack on to Chelsea's defence. That would be perfect."

What the shit, fair enough we run parrallels with Chelsea mostly because we didn't have the funds to get quality enough players in, but this season we've been showing better displays than last year and even then we don't fecking rely on the opposition to make bloody mistakes to score goals like Chelsea do.

Must have missed Liverpool this season thus far, the way we've killed smaller teams thus far and kept attacking for the full 90 minutes is almost Man Utd like.

Poll: Fifa singled out Crouch
Ref's revelations

By Amanda Cornforth Last updated: 5th September 2007
Poll: Fifa singled out Crouch

Crouch: Picked on

Former referee Graham Poll has revealed that Fifa instructed its referees to punish Peter Crouch for fouling.

Poll claimed that before the 2006 World Cup finals in Germany, Fifa refereeing chiefs singled out the 6ft 7in England striker and told officials to crack down on him.

Crouch will miss Saturday's vital Euro 2008 qualifier against Israel through suspension after picking up two cautions in just five international matches this season.

In contrast, the forward received only two yellow cards in 29 appearances for Liverpool last term and Poll may have finally provided an explanation why.

Marked man

"At the World Cup last year, we were shown videos of England games," Poll said in The Sun.

"The head of refereeing at Fifa said, 'Look at this big fella Crouch. He's a real pain and getting away with too much. We need to mark him as a player we need to look out for'.

"We watched England's warm-up games and it was pointed out the way he used his arms. I tried to defend him, being English."

Crouch was subsequently booked against Paraguay and consistently cited for fouling during the tournament.

Warning

Former Premier League official Poll also admitted that the guidelines given to referees by their bosses can influence their decisions as he issued a warning to players.

Speaking on Radio Five Live Poll added: "You have to ask yourself as a ref if you are looking out for him all the time or only when he has done something that draws your attention.

"To prepare is fine but to prejudge is not. And, lo and behold, Crouch did get booked in Germany.

"He has been picking up cautions since and is out of Saturday's match.

"Players need to be aware that referees individually, or as a referee's team, can be tactical as well."

gah if true, the amount of times the whistle was given against Crouch when he went to get the ball in the air was ridiculous, sometimes it's the right decision and it's a side of him that gets me o frustrated everytime it happens.
 
they played better football than Barcelona in those 2 games for sure.

They also at no stage played more unattractive football than Chelsea, so there's no reason to complain.

Actually, Man Utd. display in the CL last year was incredibly boring too except for the home games against Roma and Milan. That was it, everybody was complaining up till then.

Even Arsenal didn't exactly play the best football in last years CL.

Further to this I think that a man with a tache like the one Schuster is sporting is not allowed to talk about attractive and unattractive things.
 
Mama Smurf said:
At times Liverpool's football was unattractive last year, certainly, but not in the games against Barcelona.

...and sure as shit not this year. So far Liverpool look as attractive to watch as Man U was last year.

I notice he didn't mention Arsenal BTW...the same Arsenal that ran 'em off their own pitch a couple years ago. But that's ok.

Some welcome news for Karakalaka...

Richards to extend Man City deal
By Chris Bevan

Manchester City's England defender Micah Richards says he is close to signing an extended deal at Eastlands.

Richards, 19, who already has a contract that lasts until 2010, hopes to agree new and improved terms.

"I am very happy at City," Richards told BBC Sport. "Hopefully we will have something signed very soon.

"I am just waiting for my dad who is in Africa setting up a soccer school. We have got talks with City as soon as he gets back in the next two weeks."

Richards has been one of City's star performers in Sven-Goran Eriksson's new-look side this season and he has also won four England caps under Steve McClaren.

"To me the most important thing now for my England chances with Euro 2008 coming up is to be playing week-in week-week out," added Richards.

"If I am at City then I am hopefully going to be doing that, so it will be the best thing for me.

"I have been offered a new contract and, although I have not signed anything yet, it should be sorted out soon.

City won their first three games of the season and, although they have lost their last two matches at Arsenal and Blackburn, Richards - who started his new column with BBC Sport this week - is still enjoying life at Eastlands.

"It has been great working with Sven although he is very different to our last manager Stuart Pearce," Richards explained. "Pearce was more of a motivator - getting everyone going. Sven is more of a chilled out guy.

"People do things in different ways. When some people speak they don't have to shout but you know what they want of you so you just go out and do it.

"Sven has just told us to do what we do in training during the game and to relax and enjoy our football. He wants us to do what we are good at and he puts no pressure on you.

"He says what he needs to say and you listen. He has spoken to all of us individually and told us that if we give 100% then anything is possible.

"It is an exciting time at the club but I wouldn't take anything away from Stuart Pearce either. We have a new owner and Sven has a lot more money to spend than Stuart had.

"But a big-name manager likes Sven attracts big-name players, which is what has happened."

Richards was particularly disappointed by City's defeat at Ewood Park on Sunday but is still confident that City are set to enjoy a successful season

"We are aiming for the top 10 at least but things are not going to happen overnight," he added.

"In our first three games we got the results. The last two games have not been so good but it is a long season.

"It's not like we didn't give 100% at Blackburn and going there is a very hard game. They have got a good set of players and they look like being a top-six side.

"We did well to get nine points from our first three games so you can look at it both ways. Before the season started we would have taken having nine points from our first five games."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/6978223.stm

Karakalaka might wear the Savage avatar for the rest of his life now.
 
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David Moyes has warned that Everton face tough Uefa Cup opposition.
Metalist Kharkiv may not be the best known team in Europe, but Moyes is keen to point out that his side will have to be at their best to overcome the Ukrainian outfit.
He has already travelled to Kharkiv to take in their Ukrainian League game against Chernomorets Odessa - a game Everton's opponents won 2-0.
"I was quite impressed by what I saw," said the Everton boss. "They are probably the second or third best team in the Ukraine at this present time and we know that we are going to have to play very well to get through."
Moyes points out that there really are no straightforward matches at this stage of proceedings.
“Well we know that there’s no easy game in football nowadays no matter who you are playing," he said.
"You see that whether it be in cup football or on the world stage.
"So we won’t get an easy game at all when we go to the Ukraine, in fact we’ll get a very hard game. It was my first visit to the Ukraine and I’m looking forward to going back when we play them in the cup in a few weeks time.”

He is being somewhat generous here, but they indeed played good game against Odessa.
 
Lehmann has been passed fit for Germany's game this Saturday.

this could get very interesting indeed once he returns to Arsenal at the end of the international break.

One guy will most certainly be pissed off and will want to leave this winter. Will it be Lehmann or Almunia?
 
The Bolton News said:
POLICE raided three Bolton pubs in a crackdown on the showing of live Premiership football matches.

Officers and staff from Media Protection Services seized thousands of pounds worth of satellite receiving equipment in the raids yesterday.

The three pubs were: the Bowling Green pub in Eskrick Street, Brownlow Fold; the Kings Arms on Chorley Old Road; and the Masons Arms on Blackburn Road, Egerton.

Last month Bolton police wrote to pub landlords warning that anyone showing live English football matches broadcast by foreign television stations will be prosecuted and their equipment seized.

They also warned that licenses could be revoked, fines imposed and about the possibility of imprisonment.

Rob Taylor, landlord of the Bowling Green, one of the pubs raided on Monday when £2,000 of equipment was seized, has vowed to fight any prosecution in court.

Insp Philip Spurgeon from Bolton police defended the seizing the satellite equipment.

"All licensees in Bolton had been warned of the possible repercussions of illegally broadcasting Premier League football matches," he said

http://the-wanderer.co.uk/boards/viewtopic.php?t=12983

That's some stupid shit imo. It seems the hardest place to watch the Premiership now is in England.
 
hadareud said:
Lehmann has been passed fit for Germany's game this Saturday.

this could get very interesting indeed once he returns to Arsenal at the end of the international break.

One guy will most certainly be pissed off and will want to leave this winter. Will it be Lehmann or Almunia?

Honestly at this point, Almunia has played well and he hasn't f***ed up lik Lehmann. I'd like to see Almunia start. I couldn't give a s**t where Jens goes if he wants to leave. After the mistakes he's made this far into the season it would be completely justified and he would have to be insane if he didn't agree with the decision.
 
what a joke. don't they have anything better to do?

Like the clubs or the broadcasters are losing any money on it. Sky have record levels of customers and I would think Setanta have as well.

I'd gladly pay for it if I had the option to see all Premier League games on TV, but nobody gives me the option. So I have to find another way.

And guess what, I even still go to the stadium and leave my money behind there. omgwewillallgobankruptifweshowmoregamesontv

fucking twats. in all other European countries you can see all the games you want.
 
hadareud said:
what a joke. don't they have anything better to do?

Like the clubs or the broadcasters are losing any money on it. Sky have record levels of customers and I would think Setanta have as well.

I'd gladly pay for it if I had the option to see all Premier League games on TV, but nobody gives me the option. So I have to find another way.

And guess what, I even still go to the stadium and leave my money behind there. omgwewillallgobankruptifweshowmoregamesontv

fucking twats. in all other European countries you can see all the games you want.

So you're telling me that in England they don't even broadcast all of the Prem games on live tv?
 
It is messed up you can't go to matches because the tickets are insanely priced, and then you can't even find solace in the TV because you have to pay to watch a select few matches, that don't even guarantee being matches you want to watch.

So you're telling me that in England they don't even broadcast all of the Prem games on live tv?

Nope Sky has a deal where they can only show 88 Live prem matches, the closest to watching whatever matches you want is watching Football First's extended highlights which just isn't the same if you know the score 5 hours earlier.
 
Do other countries really show all their matches? I mean, last day of the season that would require 10 different channels showing games, doesn't seem realistic.
 
I'm surprised there's no season packages over there. For instance I get something called MLS Direct Kick for $79 where I can watch every single MLS match and even playoff matches for the season. There's a package like that here for every sport except baseball I believe.
 
Sky show 80 something games a season and Setanta 46. So not even half of the games are shown live on tv.

Unfortunately I can't have Sky because at my place I'm not allowed to have a satellite dish (hopefully this should be sorted out soon though. then again, I've been saying this for a fucking year.), so I'm stuck with Setanta.

Which means that 8 out of 10 games I have to stream over the internet. Not by choice, I'd love to pay every month and have the games in HD rather than streaming them in low quality. It really pisses me off to be honest.

h0pper said:
Honestly at this point, Almunia has played well and he hasn't f***ed up lik Lehmann. I'd like to see Almunia start. I couldn't give a s**t where Jens goes if he wants to leave. After the mistakes he's made this far into the season it would be completely justified and he would have to be insane if he didn't agree with the decision.
while I agree to some extent it's not about that. If Lehmann is number 2 he will have to leave, it's as simple as that. He wants to play at next years Euro and if he's not number 1 at his club he won't be for Germany.

Also, let's not forget that he did extremely well for us and that without him we very likely would have not reached the champions league final, so we have to show respect to him.
 
Mama Smurf said:
Do other countries really show all their matches? I mean, last day of the season that would require 10 different channels showing games, doesn't seem realistic.
Germany and Austria for sure, I'm quite sure Spain as well and probably even Italy.
 
You guys can complain all you want but you have it much better than us here in the states. There are these commercials for XL Travel that they show on FSC. They advertise cheap ways to get over to England and go the matches of clubs of your choice. Their commercials show a guy in a bar wearing a Man Utd Rooney shirt and there's like 2 other people in the bar besides him, and he jumps up and starts screaming "YES ROOOOONEY!!!" and the other 2 guys look at him and leave. lol.

It's hard to even find people to talk about the Prem with here. Sure, I have some friends that like to watch a few matches, but they really don't know much about what goes on in the daily happenings of the league.

Plus, I've never ever been to a match in England/Europe. It sucks. Hopefully I'll make it there one day haha.
 
Mama Smurf said:
Do other countries really show all their matches? I mean, last day of the season that would require 10 different channels showing games, doesn't seem realistic.

Yeah in Australia both the AFL and NRL are fully broadcast.

AFL games - Fri night 1 game (Ch7)

Sat - 2.10pm East (Ch10), 2.10pm West (Fox), 2 night games (1 Fox, 1 Ch10)

Sun - 12.40 (Fox), 2.10 (7), 4.10(Fox)


8 games all available 4 on FTA, 4 on cable


Don't sky sports have multiple channels? Surely they could if allowed show a game on each channel.

That seems very old fashioned.

I mean on a sat night here i can watch AFL on FTA, AFL on Fox1, EPL fox2, NRL (2games I choose how to watch. - 2 small screens, or switch between them) on Fox3 and if anything special is on cable they put it on Fox 518.
 
h0pper said:
You guys can complain all you want but you have it much better than us here in the states. There are these commercials for XL Travel that they show on FSC. They advertise cheap ways to get over to England and go the matches of clubs of your choice. Their commercials show a guy in a bar wearing a Man Utd Rooney shirt and there's like 2 other people in the bar besides him, and he jumps up and starts screaming "YES ROOOOONEY!!!" and the other 2 guys look at him and leave. lol.

It's hard to even find people to talk about the Prem with here. Sure, I have some friends that like to watch a few matches, but they really don't know much about what goes on in the daily happenings of the league.

Plus, I've never ever been to a match in England/Europe. It sucks. Hopefully I'll make it there one day haha.
Uhhh that's because we live in America dude. If people would like MLS then we wouldn't have this problem.
 
seanoff said:
Yeah in Australia both the AFL and NRL are fully broadcast.

AFL games - Fri night 1 game (Ch7)

Sat - 2.10pm East (Ch10), 2.10pm West (Fox), 2 night games (1 Fox, 1 Ch10)

Sun - 12.40 (Fox), 2.10 (7), 4.10(Fox)


8 games all available 4 on FTA, 4 on cable


Don't sky sports have multiple channels? Surely they could if allowed show a game on each channel.

That seems very old fashioned.

I mean on a sat night here i can watch AFL on FTA, AFL on Fox1, EPL fox2, NRL (2games I choose how to watch. - 2 small screens, or switch between them) on Fox3 and if anything special is on cable they put it on Fox 518.
Doesn't A-League also have all their matches on Foxtel?
 
I think Sky has 4 sports channels and I think Setanta has 2.

Wouldn't really help when 10 games are on at the same time of course. And it's not really the broadcasters' fault, I'm sure they'd love to show all the matches. They aren't offered that though, in a bid to keep stadium attendances up.

They could of course sell every game to Sky for more money and use the extra money to reduce ticket prices, but...
 
I bow to had's knowledge on this one, I've never owned Sky.

So it seems we could do it, but the package just isn't available for companies to bid for.
 
Yeah the A-League has all their games on live. They only have 4 games tho and the season doesn't really start until the AFL/NRL have finished.

The NRL + AFL is 16 games a weekend and they are all available on TV somewhere.


The AFL in Australia show all games on TV.

The AFL set a record this year for attendances at the grounds of 6.4 - 6.5M. Around 36,000 a game IIRC
 
interactive Mama, you just press the red button and you get all games. Like I said, they do that with CL on Sky Sports Extra. They can have as many extra channels as they wish on interactive.

BBC does the same btw.

Have you never had Sky or Freeview? Are you just streaming out of principle? *calls Swindon police*

edit: ah well, missed your last post. nm. *calls*
 
Last year in Canada people with basic cable could watch three live games in a row every Saturday. With a bit of extra cash they could get the choice of watching at least one more, plus the Sunday and Monday games.

Now the three games are basically on Setanta, so there's only one game a week that's shown on basic cable now. Still, I'm able to watch four live games on Saturday, two on Sunday, and the Monday game if they still play that game.

So basically it's easier for me to watch live games on my own TV in Canada than it is in England.

There's one more example of the FA completely and utterly fucking up.
 
Yeah people in England have to pretend to live outside of England to watch English football, it's quite depressing to be honest.
 
Let's see I believe there's 3 in a row on Setanta here with 2 in a row on Fox Soccer Channel and another one later in the afternoon. There's one on Sunday and a Monday game if that's shown. NA>England.
 
Mama Smurf said:
Now we have stupid internationals for the next 2 weeks, the next Premiership game is September 15th. When, really annoyingly, all 8 games that day are on at the same time...and all the top 4 and Blackburn are involved. I'd have loved to have watched Spurs - Arsenal, but it'll be Chelsea - Blackburn for me. That's not even mentioning matches like Everton - Man Utd and Portsmouth - Liverpool.

Remember this? It's probably in your scrapbook of The Greatest Mama Smurf Posts.

Anyway, it's not true. It was true, according to the BBC's fixture list, but either they don't update stuff soon enough or TV companies have only since changed their times.

Now that weekend's like this:

Everton v Man Utd, 12:00

Portsmouth v Liverpool, 12:45

Tottenham v Arsenal, 13:30

Birmingham v Bolton, 15:00
Sunderland v Reading, 15:00
West Ham v Middlesbrough, 15:00
Wigan v Fulham, 15:00

Chelsea v Blackburn, 17:15

To be honest I'd prefer one of the first 3 fixtures to be a 3 o'clock kick off, I'll probably have to watch West Ham v Middlesbrough, but it's a hell of a lot better than I thought.

The Everton and Portsmouth matches are equally appealing to me, but I'll watch Everton v Man Utd as I can see most of that before I switch over to Tottenham v Arsenal. At least the Blackburn match doesn't clas with anything for once.
 
Osorio said:
Uhhh that's because we live in America dude. If people would like MLS then we wouldn't have this problem.

I'm sorry man, I gave MLS a shot. Watched a few games and I just found myself falling asleep. It isn't even near the level of the EPL and that's what I'm used to so MLS just bores me to death.
 
h0pper said:
I'm sorry man, I gave MLS a shot. Watched a few games and I just found myself falling asleep. It isn't even near the level of the EPL and that's what I'm used to so MLS just bores me to death.
Boooooooooo! Support your domestic league. If you don't, the terrorists have already won.
 
h0pper said:
I'm sorry man, I gave MLS a shot. Watched a few games and I just found myself falling asleep. It isn't even near the level of the EPL and that's what I'm used to so MLS just bores me to death.
Don't watch neutral games as most of them bore me. Let me ask you something. Do you enjoy all EPL games or certain EPL games? Because you watched Kansas City vs Houston which holds no importance to me let alone you. Watch the local team and the more you feel passionate about the team you'll realize it ain't that bad. Remember if enough people support the MLS it will be the EPL.
 
Cornballer said:
The MLS playoffs should be a lot of fun this year, too. There isn't a runaway best team, so most of the ties should be competitive.
It should be. It's weird for me as it seems like no team scares me but every team scares me. It's wide open this year.

And H0pper by what I meant by you watching certain EPL games is that when you think of EPL do you think of Middlesbrough v Wigan or Arsenal v anybody? Not all EPL games are exciting and the only thing that kept me watching Bolton last year was that I have a vented interest in them.
 
Cornballer said:
Altidore is hurt. Doesn't sound serious, but it explains why he didn't get a callup. Speculation is that it's a torn calf muscle that's been giving him trouble since the U20's.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention that. He didn't play against Chicago and won't play against Chivas but I hope he comes back soon as we'll need him. We have John Wolyniec, Mike Magee, and Francis Doe that can take his spot for now so it's not all bad right now. Btw did you know that Angel is playing with a rib injury? I don't remember the last time he was subbed off either.
 
Shinobi said:
Some welcome news for Karakalaka...
Is that supposed to evoke the announcer from NBA Jam going, "BOOM SHAKALAKA"? :lol

You can just call me Kara if you don't want to remember how to spell my admittedly odd name. :D

Kinan said:
He is being somewhat generous here, but they indeed played good game against Odessa.
Eastern European clubs have such awesome names. Metalist, Torpedo, Locomotive, etc. Except that whole Dynamo thing, that's totally Zzz.

Osorio said:
I'm surprised there's no season packages over there. For instance I get something called MLS Direct Kick for $79 where I can watch every single MLS match and even playoff matches for the season. There's a package like that here for every sport except baseball I believe.
You can get MLB Extra Innings and MLB.tv (a web-only streaming service). The only problem with them is that MLB has carved up somewhat bizarre media markets so you might get blackouts for "local" teams you've never given a fuck about.
 
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