Well, the Mobility Radeon 48xx series is supposed to be hitting over the next 3-6 weeks, so we're hoping that they both exceed the performance of the 9800M GTX, while coming in at a price point that forces Nvidia to rethink its high-end mobile gaming line.rhfb said:
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Official "I need a new PC!!" 2009 Edition
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rhfb said:
In that case, you're probably aiming for a... 9500GT, which should be on par with the 8600GT from a few generations ago. You could aim for something higher, but you'd be looking at a pretty toasty notebook by then. I'm not even sure whether they released the 9600 on notebooks and skipped right to the 9800.
godhandiscen said:
Well, after reading a bit more... The memory is the deal breaker. As long as you don't trip that it all seems good. It's pertty much on par with the 4870x2.
After further reading I wonder if they will not support it like the 9800gx2 and only have it as a place-holder.
Either way it's still an equivalent card with the pro's that nVidia offers.
CES can't come soon enough.
Media Preview Blackout was lifted today.godhandiscen said:
PC Perspective - http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=651&type=expert&pid=1
guru3D - http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/1
[H] - http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU5OSw3LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
THAT'S HARDBALL :lol
Overall, except in cases of 4xAA or 8xAA at 2560x resolution it maintains a lead in the 4870x2 in almost every game. nVidia said something about a driver bug, but I wouldn't be surprised if the GDDR3 keeled finally at that massive amount of data to move.
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Cheers.K.Jack said:
pizzaguysrevenge
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Why does the 4870X2 dominate at high resolutions?
I already have a very powerful desktop that runs everything I play at max res and all the aa and af I want to throw at it. I also like to be able to take my gaming with me, and play in other places in my house, things not possible with my already built desktop.xabre said:
When I make a purchase (4-6 months away, min), its going to be a 15"+ screen at 1440x900+. My current 17" has 1920x1200 and I don't know if I could live with less screen.
Hazaro said:
I do realize that. However, there's a considerable lack of a market at that price point. Their focus should be on a single-card sub-$200 solution based off their current generation. And, as it was pointed out earlier, inclusion of GDDR3 prevents the card from being used to its full potential in the first place.
rhfb said:
15" with 1440x900 is the sweet spot, imo.
Awesome thread!
I've been thinking about building another pc, and need advise from GAFers. So when I begin my project please help me!!
First question: ATi or Nvdia? Because I've been the ATi guy but I hear good things about Nvdia. And wanna try something new,should I?
I've been thinking about building another pc, and need advise from GAFers. So when I begin my project please help me!!
First question: ATi or Nvdia? Because I've been the ATi guy but I hear good things about Nvdia. And wanna try something new,should I?
Baloonatic
Member
Shaheed79 said:
I'd also like to know this, Crysis at 30fps minimum is what I'm looking for.
Honestly I would be a little cautious about upgrading 3 years into the console cycle if you already have a PC that runs Crysis pretty well. In only 2 years the next-gen consoles will be revealed and the technology in those home consoles will dictate the status quo for most of the PC games for that generation. I usually wait 2 years into a console cycle before buying a new PC because by that point you will be able to build a great gaming PC more powerful than the home consoles at a much cheaper price. This is the best way to stay on a 5 year cycle while guaranteeing that you can run all the games.
Have a look for yourself.Salazar said:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2.66+Ghz+imacs&search_type=
Seems to run Gears just fine.
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Mmm, that's the way I look at it too.Shaheed79 said:
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Is overclocking a Q6600 2.4GHz to 3.4GHz just on air within the realm of possibility?
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
There has never been a better time to choose ATI tbh.II VerTigo II said:
Unknown Soldier
Member
Rez>You said:
Q6600 are Kentsfield (65 nm) and most can get to 3.2-3.4ghz but OCing is always luck of the draw. Some Q6600 can hit 3.6ghz easily but others crap out a lot lower than that.
Q9000 series are Yorkfield (45 nm) and many can get to 3.8-4ghz on beefy air.
Core i7 is Nehalem and can also hit 4ghz and some people are getting 4.2ghz on Core i7 Extreme 965, but you'll be paying for that kind of overclocking prowess.
A lot of gamers are finding Yorkfield a better value than Nehalem because in many games there is very little, if any, performance difference clock-for-clock between Yorkfield and Nehalem. There is little reason to stay with Kentsfield now unless you are dropping a Q6600 into an existing motherboard you have now for a quick quad-core shot in the arm. If you're buying a new motherboard you should probably go with Yorkfield.
At some point in every game except GTAIV PC you will become GPU limited no matter what you do, any more CPU performance above that point will not be of any use for games.
VictimOfGrief
Banned
Shaheed79 said:
Went out to Newegg and just built this:
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822136218
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
$74.99
ASUS EAH4850 TOP/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814121272
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
-$20.00 Instant
$30.00 Mail-in Rebate
$169.99
$149.99
OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V / EPS12V Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817341012
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
-$25.00 Instant
$30.00 Mail-in Rebate
$79.99
$54.99
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231122
Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant
$49.99
$39.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116488
Return Policy: Software Return Policy
$99.99
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115037
Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811129021
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy
Total $664.93
The Wolfdale chip + Antec case were combo'ed for a discount. You can sub in other parts but that rig right there will get you 30+FPS on Crysis just fine.
brain_stew
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Looking at that list of parts, its probably doable witha $500-$550 budget if you really need to skimp but want decent Crysis performance.
Honestly in terms of CPUs I strongly encourage going the E5200 OCed to 3.4ghz+ with a $20 aftermarket cooler route. That right there will get rid of any CPU bottleneck in a sngle GPU rig, spending anything more in this area will not net you anymore real world performance gains so why bother? Save your cash for future upgrades I say. The E5200 doesn't half fly once overclocked let me tell you.
If you can afford a 45nm quad, then by all means ignore this, as there will be a genuine advantage of going this route in the form of better non gaming performance (rendering, encoding and the like) and (dare I say it) better "future proofing".
In terms of the ultimate GPU bang for buck, the 4830 has to be the current king of the hill by a considerable mile. At a ridiculous $85 after MIR you're getting way more performance than you would ever hope to expect and yes this is a perfect 30fps Crysis high/very high card at ~720p resolutions.
Honestly in terms of CPUs I strongly encourage going the E5200 OCed to 3.4ghz+ with a $20 aftermarket cooler route. That right there will get rid of any CPU bottleneck in a sngle GPU rig, spending anything more in this area will not net you anymore real world performance gains so why bother? Save your cash for future upgrades I say. The E5200 doesn't half fly once overclocked let me tell you.
If you can afford a 45nm quad, then by all means ignore this, as there will be a genuine advantage of going this route in the form of better non gaming performance (rendering, encoding and the like) and (dare I say it) better "future proofing".
In terms of the ultimate GPU bang for buck, the 4830 has to be the current king of the hill by a considerable mile. At a ridiculous $85 after MIR you're getting way more performance than you would ever hope to expect and yes this is a perfect 30fps Crysis high/very high card at ~720p resolutions.
VictimOfGrief
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Totally agree on the GPU part. ^^^ The mid-range ATI cards as of late are pretty awesome with as much value you're getting per dollar.
Edit: Apparently Newegg doesn't stock the E5200 regularly but other vendors do. Disregard my comments.
Edit: Apparently Newegg doesn't stock the E5200 regularly but other vendors do. Disregard my comments.
I'm thinking of a second 4850 card to complement my current one for a crossfire setup. My PSU is only 500W though and I am not certain that may be enough. Any insight would be appreciated, especially if it is even worth it or holding out for the 5000 line?
VictimOfGrief
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Hey Brandon,Brandon F said:
what type of PSU do you have? If you have two PCI-E connectors you should be good. However it also depends on how many hard drives, dvd drivers etc. you have power to.
Also--- remember single GPU is the best solution unless your gaming above 1920x1200 so I would at least wait until we hear what ATI has to counter with the HD5000 series.
VictimOfGrief said:
I decided not to build my PC this time and just bought this over Black Friday...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9081325&type=product&id=1218017465909
I did add a few more sticks of DDR3 RAM I also got on the cheap(sitting at 9gb total), but I would like to up my GPU eventually, hence the crossfire querry. Otherwise it is just as it is out of box.
Minsc
Gold Member
So last time I built a new PC I totally screwed myself over by getting an AGP motherboard, and I'm hoping not to do that again this time around.
My main questions right now, concerning building a new machine in February/March around when DoW2 is released, are:
- Windows 7 vs Vista. I have a XP retail license that I can install on any box. So would it really be worth it to buy Vista, with Windows 7 being released later that year (I've read a few stories saying MS is looking to push the date up to 2009)? I don't think it makes much sense to spend $200 on a Vista 64-bit retail, then spend another $200 on a Windows 7 64-bit retail, maybe it's smarter to just bear XP as a primary OS on the new box for ~6 months or so?
- Hard Drives, SSD vs Raptors. I've seen some nice charts showing the Intel 80GB SSD wiping the floor clean, like here. This is less of an issue, but again, it'd suck to spend $300 on a raptor or two, to have SSD prices fall below that.
- 3D Cards. Is a 260 / 280 (or 4870) a bad purchase for value in february? I like to be able to run 1920x1200 on max on everything.
- CPU. With i7s just released, does it seem like a bad idea to get a E8500 or whatever?
I know it's a little early to start deciding things, but I really screwed myself over by building a PC right before ePCI came out, which obsoleted AGP. And now I'm starting to think it's even more likely if I build something in a few months time, that there's going to be some very, very significant movements soon after again, later in '09.
Maybe I should just try to go as cheap as possible, and build a machine that can be upgraded, or just plan on doing it all again in a year or two?
My main questions right now, concerning building a new machine in February/March around when DoW2 is released, are:
- Windows 7 vs Vista. I have a XP retail license that I can install on any box. So would it really be worth it to buy Vista, with Windows 7 being released later that year (I've read a few stories saying MS is looking to push the date up to 2009)? I don't think it makes much sense to spend $200 on a Vista 64-bit retail, then spend another $200 on a Windows 7 64-bit retail, maybe it's smarter to just bear XP as a primary OS on the new box for ~6 months or so?
- Hard Drives, SSD vs Raptors. I've seen some nice charts showing the Intel 80GB SSD wiping the floor clean, like here. This is less of an issue, but again, it'd suck to spend $300 on a raptor or two, to have SSD prices fall below that.
- 3D Cards. Is a 260 / 280 (or 4870) a bad purchase for value in february? I like to be able to run 1920x1200 on max on everything.
- CPU. With i7s just released, does it seem like a bad idea to get a E8500 or whatever?
I know it's a little early to start deciding things, but I really screwed myself over by building a PC right before ePCI came out, which obsoleted AGP. And now I'm starting to think it's even more likely if I build something in a few months time, that there's going to be some very, very significant movements soon after again, later in '09.
Maybe I should just try to go as cheap as possible, and build a machine that can be upgraded, or just plan on doing it all again in a year or two?
Minsc said:
I was in the same boat and built a custom AGP rig right before PCI-e landed and screwed myself out of a whole generation or two of upgrades. This is a big reason why I just went with an i7 rig last month with its DDR3 requirement and such. It's my first PC refresh since 2004 and I wanted it to be futureproof.
Of course I doubt it's as necessary a step up as AGP->PCI-e was, but screw it.
VictimOfGrief
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Brandon F said:
Hmm I don't even see where it has the power connectors description but as Cheeto said, best to wait and see what offerings ATI/Nvidia come out with here in the next month or so.
Minsc
Gold Member
Brandon F said:
Yea, that's probably what I'll do too, it makes more sense financially to build multiple gaming machines every few years (or at least upgrade), but I tend to be drawn to the best at the initial purchase even if I should know better. I am just going to be more careful with what components may not have a long future this time around, so at least I can upgrade this time around!
The motherboard / ram is probably the thing i should be the most careful about.
brain_stew
Member
VictimOfGrief said:
The E5200 is Intel's best selling chip (and by quite some margin at that), its anything but badly stocked!
Its a proper 45nm wolfdale core only with less L2 cache, which puts it right around the 65nm Core 2s clock for clock but with the added bonus of using less power than either.
At $83 nothing comes even remotely close to it for anyone willing to give OCing a go and honestly there's literally no reason anyone should be histant about it either. Just spend a few hours reading up on the topic and you're good to go. The chances of damaging a chip are as close to nil as possible due to the many built in safety features of modern processors and motherboards.
VeritasVierge
Member
This topic has good timing. I:m in the process of building a new PC with a quad core since my maxed out AMD 4000+ finally died. Right now it definitely won't be an Intel I7 since those either can't be overclocked or not cost effective for the one that can be. Will post specs when done.
brain_stew
Member
VeritasVierge said:
This is FUD that was spread pre launch. All i7s will OC just fine, and the lowest cost one, has achieved some very big OCs.
VictimOfGrief
Banned
VeritasVierge said:
You can overclock a 920 to 4.0GHz on air with 2-3 tweaks in the Bios. That rumor of them not being a good overclocking chip is a FUD that spread early on.
About two tweeks ago I built:
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
ASUS P6T Deluxe LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 - Retail
EVGA 896-P3-1260-AR GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX 520W ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit English 1pk DSP OEI DVD for System Builders - OEM
Minus the other accessories.
I slapped it all into a Twice7 case from mountainmods.com
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I had buyers remorse for about a week, but now I'm really loving this new build. I've been playing Crysis on high settings with no hiccups along with a slew of other PC games. I probably won't upgrade for another 7 years like I did with my last PC. So far it's been worth it. I'll probably pick up BioShock and Fallout 3 this Saturday, but I can't decide if I should go with the PC version or the PS3 version of BioShock.
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
ASUS P6T Deluxe LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 - Retail
EVGA 896-P3-1260-AR GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX 520W ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit English 1pk DSP OEI DVD for System Builders - OEM
Minus the other accessories.
I slapped it all into a Twice7 case from mountainmods.com
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I had buyers remorse for about a week, but now I'm really loving this new build. I've been playing Crysis on high settings with no hiccups along with a slew of other PC games. I probably won't upgrade for another 7 years like I did with my last PC. So far it's been worth it. I'll probably pick up BioShock and Fallout 3 this Saturday, but I can't decide if I should go with the PC version or the PS3 version of BioShock.