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Official March NPD Thread (The story? PS3 = weak, SW sales = insane)
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Haunted
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Hopefully, although you'd think that the 700$ CD-i bombing and the colossal failure the 600$ 3DO was would have been enough of a warning message already.Segata Sanshiro said:
I guess the powerful-but-expensive console graveyard* will soon be one entry richer.
*overexaggerated for effect
Pureauthor
Member
M3Freak said:
Did I ever imply that Microsoft's hardware sales were anywhere near good? At least they've got software sales to back it up.
And I was referring to the GBA, FYI.
I think what's also pretty telling is the game sales. We all know the 360 and PS2 are tops in this category, but the Wii still has the best-selling games by far between it and the PS3 month after month. Games like Zelda: TP, Wario Ware: SM, Sonic, etc. performed better than any non-Motorstorm game on PS3, which debuted in March. Wii Play in its second month did even better than that, too.
As for a more direct comparison, Tiger Woods on Wii in less than a month has already sold quite a bit more than its PS3 version which has been out for a handful of months.
And this is from a system that has a top notch VC and a pack-in that is taking the country by storm.
As for a more direct comparison, Tiger Woods on Wii in less than a month has already sold quite a bit more than its PS3 version which has been out for a handful of months.
And this is from a system that has a top notch VC and a pack-in that is taking the country by storm.
plagiarize
Banned
third party sales on PS3 have been pretty poor across the board too. the software situation on the PS3 is rather... nintendoesque at the moment.Jammy said:
if they don't fix that, we know where that road leads.
M3Freak
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jmdajr said:
I don't think that's the same because a handheld doesn't replace a console, such as a PS3. That is, if one were to buy a DS, it wouldn't be purchased instead of a PS3, the DS would be purchased in addition to a Wii, or a PS3 , etc.
That's not always the case, but in most cases, it is.
Gutta_un said:Extra!! Extra read all about it: THE XBOX 360 IS NOT OUTSELLING the PS3 worldwide!!! as I read on I can't help but to laugh as people make up excuses for 360 selling 199k units in march!? the 360 is selling like crap everywhere in the world but the U.S, but somehow people think its the new PS2? The PS2 was excepted everywhere in the world just like the PS3. Yeah it sold 130K, the **** cost's $600. You mean to tell me when final fantasy 13 comes out 3-4 million people won't have PS3's in japan... HA!! I don't know where the myth came from about that Metal Gear Solid does'nt sell or sell systems...yeah O..K crazy person. If Reggie phils aime says Little big planet is amazing, why can't you except it? If God of war is Officially doing final fantasy numbers, whats going to happen when 3 comes out!?Gran turismo is one of the best selling franchises in video game history...my point is xbox one had two halo's with an install base of 25 million and now it's dead. PS3 WILL GET BETTER stop hatin (I have a 360 & a PS3)
My gosh I love posts like this. Crapping all over another system and then the whole "I own it" bit as if it validates this nonsense. It's just like the whole "I love Nintendo really, but..." and then we get some long ass paragraph as to why Nintendo sucks ox balls or something.
Posts like these are Extremely Loud and Incredibly Biased.
Bu...bu...bu, God of War II is pulling Final Fantasy numbers. Just wait until God of War III! REDEMPTION TOTAL!
Segata Sanshiro
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The difference, of course, between the CD-i and 3DO and the Playstation 3 is that CD-i and 3DO were both newcomers to the market. They had no established brand, no established leverage, and no past audience or marketshare to build on.Haunted One said:
What we are seeing here, and I'm sorry if this seems premature but keep in mind I'm talking about the PS3 qua $600 console, things could change with a price drop, but anyway...what we are seeing here is a precipitous drop from overwhelming first place to the basement, and I think it rests entirely on that price tag.
If the PS3 had been even a hundred dollars cheaper at launch, things would have been very, very different, I think. Unfortunately, the momentum has now gone elsewhere, so that same hundred dollar price drop isn't going to mean the same thing now.
Segata Sanshiro said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but wasn't the best selling console and the best selling peice of software last month part of the Playstation brand?
Good month for Sony and Nintendo.
The Playstation 3 needs a major (200 dollars or more) price drop around September(or around the time of Lair, Killzone, Warhawk, and Heavenly Sword), but the earlier, the better. If they are serious about the machine performing well, that's just a fact they will have to face.
The Playstation 2 on the other hand is doing excellent. Extremely good sales for God of War 2, and it beats all the next gen consoles in sales, all before dropping it to 100, where the PS1 sold at it's best. Although Sony shouldn't even consider doing that yet given the numbers.
The PSP is doing well. Not DS well, but pretty good. I'll wait until next month to see the full force of the price drop and if it's really helping the machine.
The Nintendo DS, continuing to be a phenomona. I wonder if there will ever be a point when it starts to slow down.
I'll wait until next month to see if the Wii is in fact supply contrained. Good numbers either way.
Microsoft needs to lower the price of the 360 as well. It shouldn't be doing that low of numbers. No excuses. No lack of games, services are strong, marketing is good to great, and a rather low price point. I just don't see how it isn't doing well.
The Lillster
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I think we can all agree, Wii software isn't that great atm, yet it is still the best selling new home console.
So what happens when the AAA games start rolling out?
So what happens when the AAA games start rolling out?
Segata Sanshiro
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Madman said:
I'm glad the PS2 is still doing so well. I think it's still the system to own out of everything that's being currently supported. That said, does the future of the Playstation brand lay with Playstation 2, or Playstation 3?
The PS2 is pulling Sony's ass out of the fire. The PSP continues to chug along respectably, though I have no clue how software was this month, so that's probably still an issue. And the PS3? From the standpoint of the company that put out the PSP, it's doing poorly. From the standpoint of the company that put out the PS2, it's a ****ing disaster.
Segata Sanshiro
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AstroLad said:
I know this is a popular theory for some and it's plausible, but I just don't think it's the case. The PS1 didn't hurt the PS2's run out of the gate and it had just as much if not more momentum.
GoW2 should have been upscaled for the PS3 and had the PS2 version shitcanned though. It looks good enough that a simple res-upgrade and frame rate upgrade would have made it good looking enough to hang with what's out there and it would have made a very enticing piece of bait for many prospective PS3 owners out there.
The Lillster
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naranjito said:
I'm not so sure about that...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3UeJxGpmWFw
Edit: WTF does Grandmas and Super Paper Mario, have to do with anything?
:lolDeaconKnowledge said:
People keep talking about Halo like, Halo and xbox 1 didn't get their a** whupped the first round-don't get me wrong Halo is a beast-but come on do you really think it is about one or two games. I think everything on the wii is going to sell (as long as they keep sticking free controllers in their games) a lot, and not cause it's cheap, but becauase it's NEW and cheap. My question to you is what games will be better...? Halo ain't better than MGS and **** sho ain't better than no final fantasy ive ever played (except 2 and 8) I think halo 1 is one of the best games ever made, i'm just being real.
Segata Sanshiro said:
According to the Sales Age chart, all the Playstation brands have started the slowest of their generation(with the exception of the 360, but it did a minimal amount less than the PS3 and had stronger software sales). The PS1 started out even slower than the PS3.
The future is definately with the PS3, and I'm sure Sony is doing whatever they can to lower the price, such as laying off 10% of SCEE. Plain and simple, they don't have the necessary games to really push the product (Resistance and Motorstorm are great, but there needs to be more). It seems as though Sony will drop the price in September (that Threespeech article) or October (what some analyst said). If I were in their position, I would do it at the Gamer's Day event in May, but I'm not them.
We'll see what happens, but I would hardly call the Playstation brand weak. PS3 sales, yeah. But the brand as a whole seems to be fine. Either way, they need to drop the price of the PS3, no two ways about it.
Epsilon-delta
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Avrum said:My gosh I love posts like this. Crapping all over another system and then the whole "I own it" bit as if it validates this nonsense. It's just like the whole "I love Nintendo really, but..." and then we get some long ass paragraph as to why Nintendo sucks ox balls or something.
Posts like these are Extremely Loud and Incredibly Biased.
Bu...bu...bu, God of War II is pulling Final Fantasy numbers. Just wait until God of War III! REDEMPTION TOTAL!
:lol
The damage control is going to new heights.
Segata Sanshiro said:
Yes, for example (and clearly the most blatant one).
I think this is what's interesting though. Everyone was waiting for the PS2. People weren't going out and buying DCs despite its excellent library. The situation now, though, is that Wii and 360 are both outselling PS3 and establishing some form of dominance (much more pronounced in Wii's case, of course), so the more the PS3 falls behind the more likely it is that those PS2 hangers-on will opt for one of those systems when they finally upgrade. There's certainly precedent for it. There just seems to be a very landscape now and I think Sony is ill-advised if they are relying on those PS2 owners to simply switch over en masse to PS3 merely out of brand loyalty whenever Sony finally decides to make a price cut (or cuts).
DeaconKnowledge
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Gutta_un said:
You are entirely missing the point.
The argument isn't that Halo 3 will be some insurmountable app, it's that the sales of Halo 3 IN ADDITION TO the lead that the 360 has amassed will be insurmountable for just FFXIII and MGS4.
Ditto for Wii. (Actually, I fully expect the Wii's holiday to blow both out of the water, but that's another argument entirely.)
plagiarize
Banned
according to the sales age charts, the PS2 took the lead after six months and never looked back.Madman said:
all eyes on april.
at this point, the PS2 was tracking ahead of the cube and catching up with the xbox (if we align their launch dates). it was tracking ahead of the 360. it was tracking ahead of the DS.
once again, the ps2 is tracking behind the xbox, the xbox 360, the wii, the cube, the DS the ps2, and the psp.
Segata Sanshiro
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AstroLad said:
Well, there are certainly some brand loyalists that are waiting for the PS3 to get a bit cheaper, but I'm with you in that I think anyone who is hoping for the PS2 audience to migrate to the PS3 in any sort of large numbers is fooling his or herself. The mainstream is as fickle as all hell, after all.
DeaconKnowledge
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Mrbob said:
No exclusive titles to drive revenue plus exorbitant price = under 100k.
I'd go as far as to say 88 k for the month.
Pureauthor
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Enh, not really. It's Sony that's deviated from the pulse of the market - it hasn't significantly changed. People still want consoles at reasonable prices with good libraries - they always have.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
I'm actually referring to their fickle nature with regards to brand names in the console market. This is very much a "what have you done for me lately" business.Pureauthor said:
plagiarize
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i'm going to be boring and use maths.DeaconKnowledge said:
the average drop off from march to april for the PS2 was 1.561.
so, 130,000 / 1.561 = 83280.
so, if it sells over 100,000 in april, the ps3 is continuing to improve it's sales figures.
Outdoor Miner
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Mrbob said:
Already losing money on hardware, the best thing to do would be to drop the price of your console another $200?
That would be suicide.
DeaconKnowledge
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Pretty much any consumer market is like that. You're only as good as your last success in the market.
plagiarize
Banned
he was talking about the GBA.Gutta_un said:
and it's not abnormal for the last gen victor to stay in front after the new gen launches.
plagiarize said:
You meant that, right?
Unless Sony drops the price way sooner than I would expect they won't track ahead of the other consoles. They are going to need to try to push the PS3 the way that they made the PS1 a success. Or, they need to drop the price ASAP. I'm sure they know that they need a price drop and a solid Christmas.
Segata Sanshiro
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DeaconKnowledge said:
Not the adhesive strip market sir! You **** with the Band-Aid bull, you get the horns!
Earthstrike
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Gutta_un said:
I would argue that the Wii is selling because its fun to play and people don't purchase items to not enjoy themselves and have a miserable time.
gregor7777
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Taking the Wii out of the equation I think the same message is going for a $400 console in the 360.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
I disagree. The 360 shows that even 400 is too much. 300 or bust. When the 360 has Gears, GRAW, Oblivion, Crackdown, Madden,etc doing well and can't reach the #1 level for next-gen systems, nor go above 300K consistently, then there is a problem. There is no reason, with it's great head start that it should be struggling to beat the Wii month by month. Well, no reason except the price. I want to play Gears, Halo and GTA but I know I can wait out for a good deal. Price drop to 299, and enough trade ins, I'm so buying one. But at 399, it drags my principles into it. The upped the price last gen and now are getting greedy. So, it was the wrong time to up the price.Segata Sanshiro said:
I reiterate my hope that MS and Sony bomb hard at their current prices because I want them to know that it's too much. Focus on the gameplay, please.
Outdoor Miner
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A $100 price drop would be of more benefit to MS at this stage.
I'd venture to say the number of people sitting on their hands waiting for a $299 Xbox 360 Prem heavily outnumber those waiting for a $499 PS3. Moreso once MS' fall lineup hits.
I'd venture to say the number of people sitting on their hands waiting for a $299 Xbox 360 Prem heavily outnumber those waiting for a $499 PS3. Moreso once MS' fall lineup hits.
Segata Sanshiro
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gregor7777 said:
I agree, and I can't say I'm crying much about that. I also want consoles back at the $299 pricepoint.
skinnyrattler said:
Well, I just said things would be quite different, not that they'd be ideal for Sony by any means. At $399/$499 though, I think they wouldn't be third place month to month, I'll say that much.
Warm Machine
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How does cost of the console relate to gameplay?
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Mrbob said:
I'll take the under. They were losing $200 last time we found out. Unless the BD drives are plummeting or they removed something major, Sony will be desperate just to break even.
Ynos Yrros
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Wii sales down, X360 sales down, PS3 sales up. Nice.