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[aznpxdd]

I would have voted Camby, Bowen, and Battier before him. The fact that Kirilenko only got six votes is extremely sad and just goes to show how nescient the voters are.

:lol

Why? Because he gets a lot of blocks on a team that doesn't even try on defense?

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

:lol

Why? Because he gets a lot of blocks on a team that doesn't even try on defense?

Because he's a great shot blocker, rebounder, and all around defender. He's undersized as a center (skinny) but still guards people much bigger than him with ease. Just like Prince.

 

[jobber]

Would you seriously shut the fuck up? For you to hate me so much, even to the point of blocking me, you sure do go out of your way to mention me (even when no one is talking about me). Goddamn, I'm taken.

 

[Rodeo Clown]

These are awards for the regular season so whatever happens in the post season doesn't really matter. Besides, we all know Garnett enters choke mode once he enters the playoffs.

How? The only time in the playoffs that he's had a capable team and the spot to take over (Game 7 in Sacto in 04), he did.

 

[aznpxdd]

All of Camby's stats are pretty much inflated due to Denver's play style. He's an average man to man defender, and a good weakside defender.

This years decision has been much better than past years - Ben Wallace, Camby, really? Its a crime Duncan never won a DPoY before.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

All of Camby's stats are pretty much inflated due to Denver's play style. He's an average man to man defender, and a good weakside defender.

This years decision has been much better than past years - Ben Wallace, Camby, really? Its a crime Duncan never won a DPoY before.

The exact same thing could be said about Garnett. Pierce and Allen are not good defender. Perkins isn't. Rondo isn't. Posey is.

 

[aznpxdd]

Rondo isn't good at defense? I can't come up with 3 PG's better than him defensively.

 

[Green Shinobi]

while i do think that kobe is the MVP, how is he on the first defensive team? he always gets to guard inferior players so that he wont pick up fould and to "rest on defense"

star players rarely guard other stars, so i don't think he should be on that list.

He's shut down plenty of star players this year. Wade, Vince Carter, T-Mac among others. Did you follow the U.S. National Team last summer? He was the best defender on that squad.

 

[Hunter D]

I would take D'Antoni's manhood if he takes on anymore contracts. The knicks need to take Bayless or Rose in the draft and wait out Shitbury's contract.

Camby is the best post defender in the league. He is the best help defender in the game and plays good post defense.

 

[GitarooMan]

The exact same thing could be said about Garnett. Pierce and Allen are not good defender. Perkins isn't. Rondo isn't. Posey is.

I think it would be pretty hard to lead the league in defense if you only have one good defensive starter, and in any event if that was true, Garnett would damn well deserve the award anyway.

 

[commish]

I'm gone for a week or two, and there's all types of hossssssstility!!

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I'm gone for a week or two, and there's all types of hossssssstility!!

The further we get into the season, the less fun this thread becomes.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

He's shut down plenty of star players this year. Wade, Vince Carter, T-Mac among others. Did you follow the U.S. National Team last summer? He was the best defender on that squad.

T-Mac shut himself down this year (seriously, he was trash by his standards), and Wade had a bad year too. Carter is just Carter. I should also mention that all three have been battling injuries this year. It's possible Kobe actually shut them down, but to be honest, that's not saying much anymore. These guys were either washed up, injured, or a combination of both.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Noooooooo! Here are the officials for tonight's games:

Steve Javie
Bob Delaney
Tom Washington

Delaney SUCKS, and Javie hates Sloan with a burning passion. Ah well...

EDIT:

(In the playoffs)
When Steve Javie is officiating the Jazz are 2-4
When Bob Delaney is officiating the Jazz are 4-3
When Tom Washington is officiating the Jazz are 4-1

10-8! Looks like the Jazz are primed to win!

 

[Rodeo Clown]

The further we get into the season, the less fun this thread becomes.

I blame all the casuals who didn't post until the April/Playoff thread.

 

[Pellham]

Garnett won defensive player of the year? :lol

:lol

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Noooooooo! Here are the officials for tonight's games:

Steve Javie
Bob Delaney
Tom Washington

Delaney SUCKS, and Javie hates Sloan with a burning passion. Ah well...

EDIT:

(In the playoffs)
When Steve Javie is officiating the Jazz are 2-4
When Bob Delaney is officiating the Jazz are 4-3
When Tom Washington is officiating the Jazz are 4-1

10-8! Looks like the Jazz are primed to win!

As expected, the Jazz fans are making excuses already :lol .

All of Camby's stats are pretty much inflated due to Denver's play style. He's an average man to man defender, and a good weakside defender.

This years decision has been much better than past years - Ben Wallace, Camby, really? Its a crime Duncan never won a DPoY before.

I disagree that his stats are significantly inflated due to the pace Denver plays at (might be giving him an extra rebound or so), and I think he's more than a good weakside defender - he's great. But you're right that his man coverage is average to above average at best. He's not a shut down guy and he never has been.

And yes, Duncan should have 1 - 2 DPoY awards. Defense is what makes Duncan so great.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I blame all the casuals who didn't post until the April/Playoff thread.

I feel like a lot of the peeps whose teams are out, don't post as much.

The regulars I mean.

I know that's a given, but a lot of those guys make for good conversation/discussion.

November threads are teh best, wat?!?!

 

[Jamesfrom818]

I blame all the casuals who didn't post until the April/Playoff thread.

I blame the people that left because their team is no longer playing.

 

[Rodeo Clown]

Eh. I was close.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

As expected, the Jazz fans are making excuses already :lol .

I'm not making any excuses, just pointing out that the officiating is guaranteed BS tonight. I don't know how it's going to lean, but I can tell you Delaney will have people pissed off by halftime.

 

[commish]

I blame all the casuals who didn't post until the April/Playoff thread.

I won't deny that I find their (collectively) posts a little annoying at times.

 

[Blackace]

Talking about defensive player of the year votes:

http://www.nba.com/news/garnett_defensive_080422.html

Which probably speaks more about the media than anything else. Coaches vote on the defensive teams, right?

yeah I still think Bell shouldn't have been on both 1st or 2nd team and Smith and Wallace should have made it..

 

[Pellham]

And yes, Duncan should have 1 - 2 DPoY awards. Defense is what makes Duncan so great.

He's not gonna get it as long as there's someone better at defense on his team (Bowen).

 

[Blackace]

The exact same thing could be said about Garnett. Pierce and Allen are not good defender. Perkins isn't. Rondo isn't. Posey is.

huh Pierce is a great defender and Rondo has GP like defense. Allen is trash. And Perkins is good shot blocker..

 

[Rodeo Clown]

yeah I still think Bell shouldn't have been on both 1st or 2nd team and Smith and Wallace should have made it..

Joe Smith and Ben Wallace for All-Defensive Team. Danny Ferry was right. Blackace breaking stories.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

The only defensive award mess up was leaving Battier off the first team.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Garnett won defensive player of the year? :lol

Yeah, I'm shocked that they gave the defensive player of the year award to one of the best interior defenders in the game today, and arguably the most versatile defender in NBA history.

I can't find a specific article at the moment, but I recall reading a few weeks ago that people who Garnett guarded, in games they were matched up with Garnett, shot something like 15% below their normal FG%. And as good as his one-on-one defense is, his team defense is better. He helps out other teammates on defense all the time, and does an excellent job of spacing himself so that he is within defending range of multiple opposing players as the same time.

He's not going to get 2.5-3 blocks per game like Mutombo, but he is going to get more than his fair share of blocks and steals (about 1.5 of each per game, on average), all while helping out on mismatches, positioning himself to be able to switch to multiple other players, and instructing the rest of his team on defense.

 

[Cloudy]

I'm not watching this game live if it's close after the 1st qtr. I just can't stomach another nailbiter :lol

 

[Cloudy]

BTW, I heard a good point on radio today. How come Joe Dumars gets all the credit when the Pistons succeed but the coach gets all the blame when they fail?

 

[GaimeGuy]

BTW, I heard a good point on radio today. How come Joe Dumars gets all the credit when the Pistons succeed but the coach gets all the blame when they fail?

the coach is almost always the scapegoat for failure, regardless of whether or not players live up to their expectations or what players the GM and owner give the coach to work with.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

He's not gonna get it as long as there's someone better at defense on his team (Bowen).

Duncan has a greater defensive impact on the game than Bowen and always has IMO.

 

[DY_nasty]

I don't even think Doc Rivers Sam Vincent could fail with the team that Detroit has set up...

 

[aznpxdd]

He's not gonna get it as long as there's someone better at defense on his team (Bowen).

:lol :lol :lol

WTF. Ever wonder why Bowen is allowed to play his opponents so closely? Because he has one of the best defending bigs in the league ever as his back up.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Duncan has a greater defensive impact on the game than Bowen and always has IMO.

I think the reason why duncan isn't getting the award is because there are other big men who are just as good on the interior as he is, but better outside the interior, as well.d

 

[shibby]

So apparently Lakers are handing out 20,000 mini megaphones today?

Wtf? I thought that kind of stuff wasnt allowed, all though I guess it's the same thing as the cowbells in Sacramento.

 

[aznpxdd]

I think the reason why duncan isn't getting the award is because there are other big men who are just as good on the interior as he is, but better outside the interior, as well.d

Who? Duncan has been anchoring the top 3 defensive team each year for the past 10 years. I can't think of another player in recent times that has done the same.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Who? Duncan has been anchoring the top 3 defensive team each year for the past 10 years. I can't think of another player in recent times that has done the same.

Ben Wallace and Kevin Garnett.

 

[Moneyhats2k5]

So apparently Lakers are handing out 20,000 mini megaphones today?

Wtf? I thought that kind of stuff wasnt allowed, all though I guess it's the same thing as the cowbells in Sacramento.

Nice! Staples Center = Massive Homecourt advantage.

 

[Karakand]

If true I am massively disappointed.

One of the few non-arguable positives of being a Laker fan was that your homecourt isn't bush league like 98% of the NBA. Now they've gone ONE OF US ONE OF US on me.

 

[aznpxdd]

Ben Wallace and Kevin Garnett.

Ben Wallace? :lol

Hes a good weakside defender but he sure as hell didn't anchor Piston's defense all those years, they had good defensive players on most positions. Shaq ate Wallace alive every time they met during the playoffs.

And KG...2004 and this season are the only notable ones. He has been a loser every other years in the past 10 years.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Ben Wallace and Kevin Garnett.

Ben Wallace deserved 2 of his DPoY awards. Garnett deserved his award this year. Duncan should've received the award at least once these past 8 years.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Ben Wallace? :lol

Hes a good weakside defender but he sure as hell didn't anchor Piston's defense all those years, they had good defensive players on most positions. Shaq ate Wallace alive every time they met during the playoffs.

And KG...2004 and this season are the only notable ones. He has been a loser every other years in the past 10 years.

Woah, I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm talking about players that are better defenders, not some weird combination of individual player success + team overall winning percentage.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

Ben Wallace is an excellent defender. He did a fantastic job in last game's fourth quarter, but no one takes notice of things like that. He's also a great rebounder and hustle player.

 

[aznpxdd]

Well, I did say Duncan has been anchoring the top 3 defensive team each year for the past 10 years.

Even if we are talking about individual talent, Big Ben hasn't exactly done shit since he signed with the Bulls (now Cavs). He was part of a well structured defense while on Pistons, and that was it.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Well, I did say Duncan has been anchoring the top 3 defensive team each year for the past 10 years.

Even if we are talking about individual talent, Big Ben hasn't exactly done shit since he signed with the Bulls (now Cavs). He was part of a well structured defense while on Pistons, and that was it.

I know you did, but I was responding to the question "Who?" which you posed to my statement that Duncan has not won DPotY because there are other players that are just as good at interior defense as him, but better in other defensive aspects.

 

[layzie1989]

If true I am massively disappointed.

One of the few non-arguable positives of being a Laker fan was that your homecourt isn't bush league like 98% of the NBA. Now they've gone ONE OF US ONE OF US on me.

I'm not disappointed. The louder the better. One of the best sports related events I ever went to was the 2004 USC vs Cal game at the Coliseum that ended with time running out. Cal was on the goal line, and I was in the middle of the student section. That was the loudest I had ever heard any crowd be. Everyone basically screams at those games, and it's amazing.

 

[aznpxdd]

Meh whatever, I personally don't think Wallace deserved all those DPoY's. Last years pick of Camby was pretty pathetic too. I mean, how DPoY can be on a team that doesn't give 2 shit about defense is beyond me.

Well in other news. Ainge named executive of the year.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/52512/20080514/ainge_named_executive_of_the_year/

 

[Karakand]

I'm not disappointed. The louder the better. One of the best sports related events I ever went to was the 2004 USC vs Cal game at the Coliseum that ended with time running out. Cal was on the goal line, and I was in the middle of the student section. That was the loudest I had ever heard any crowd be. Everyone basically screams at those games, and it's amazing.

College crowds don't need fake noisemakers like mini megaphones.

 

[Jamesfrom818]

Needing mini megaphones to make your crowd louder does seem cheap and I actually think its an insult to the fans.