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Official NFL Playoffs thread - Why bother, just give the Pats the trophy edition
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topsyturvy
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Not trying to jinks eli or anything, but with eli transformation, I have fate in where ever grossman lands next year. 
grossman didn't last year either. Except until the superbowl. :/jman2050 said:
sorryaboutdresden
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Congrats to the Giants, even as an Eagles fan I was really happy to see you guys win. I'm especially happy for Eli since he has gotten more than his fair share of shit over the years. Our hopes and prayers are with him to defeat Lord Brady...
topsyturvy
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i still would've prefer farve to go to the super bowl. I don't know why greenbay is so ineffective in below shitty weather.
(lets not kid ourselves here folks, weather beat them)
(lets not kid ourselves here folks, weather beat them)
topsyturvy
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think about it.t4ng0 said:
ryutaro's mama
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Hitokage said:
NFC
topsyturvy
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don't pull that card.ryutaro's mama said:
1.) The colts were the better team when they lost in those playoffs.
2.) Eli just beat two 13-3 teams he had no business of beating, back to back.
3.) peyton lost to shitty wild card teams and or a patriots team that was the equivalent of greenbay the giants went against.
ryutaro's mama
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topsyturvy said:
Riiight...
So in the time frame of 9 years vs. 4, Peyton was playing shitty AFC teams in the playoffs?
FrenchMovieTheme said:one day i will be where you are brother
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topsyturvy said:
They play in an amazingly shitty division. That's 6 easies in a year. Add in a handful of NFC West teams while you're at it for more easy cruising, and the Patriots only have to overcome a couple real challenges... GOODNESS GIANTS, SAVE US! The responsibility is yours!
topsyturvy
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peyton and co. choked against teams he had no business losing to.ryutaro's mama said:
ryutaro's mama
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All I'm saying is that when you start comparing comparing years pro before a Superbowl, remember that there are a lot of factors that go into the road to the SB.
Eli made it in 4, yes. Does that make him better than his brother? Time will tell.
Eli had a very good defense this year that in many was the difference this year for them.
Example: (Different sport)
Magic Johnson wins his first championship his first year in the league.
Jordan doesn't win one until his 6th year.
Is Magic better than Jordan because he won it earlier? Jordan played in a tough East at that time that had him going against the Celtics and Bad Boy Pistons.It just was what it was.
I honestly couldn't care less who wins SB 42. But when you start comparing years it took, c'mon, that gets a little silly.
Eli made it in 4, yes. Does that make him better than his brother? Time will tell.
Eli had a very good defense this year that in many was the difference this year for them.
Example: (Different sport)
Magic Johnson wins his first championship his first year in the league.
Jordan doesn't win one until his 6th year.
Is Magic better than Jordan because he won it earlier? Jordan played in a tough East at that time that had him going against the Celtics and Bad Boy Pistons.It just was what it was.
I honestly couldn't care less who wins SB 42. But when you start comparing years it took, c'mon, that gets a little silly.
topsyturvy
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understandable, I don't think anyone is saying eli is better then peyton. But all i'm saying is that peyton manning didn't get not one playoff win with awesome colts teams, whats so ever until the 06 campaign.ryutaro's mama said:
Thats like basically eight cowboys 07 seasons. :/
Wellington, I don't think weather had a thing to do with yesterday's game. I've never seen Plaxico Burress play a better game in my life, and to say that he was able to beat up on Harris last night because of the weather does Plax a disservice. He was clearly the superior football player last night.
Clearly the team that played better won the game last night, nothing else to say.
We're all Giants fans now.
Clearly the team that played better won the game last night, nothing else to say.
We're all Giants fans now.
Truer words have never been spoken.eznark said:
I would love nothing more than to see Brady throw another 3 INTs against the Gmen and then see Eli actually take advantage of it (unlike worthless Rivers).
Man it really killed me to see that Pats game because the game was there for the taking but of course Rivers sucks ass so it wasn't going to happen.
The only thing that makes me afraid is the weather will probably be perfect for throwing the ball. But I am still a big believer in miracles.
harris has always had problems against fast receivers, and last night burress was as fast as the best of them. favre was throwing some awful passes (though he was also throwing some good ones) and there were a couple of missed catches as well.eznark said:
but at the end of the day, the Giants played better, the pack had three MAJOR opportunities (2 missed FGs and winning the OT toss) and just couldn't capitalize. I said at the start of OT "All we need to do is move the ball 50 yards and kick a chip shot" and we just couldn't do it.
But unlike many packer post-season losses, this one was a little easier to swallow being that there were no bullshit calls, we were handed a lot of opportunities that we never did anything with, and it is without question this year that the (SURPRISINGLY) best team of the NFC is going to the super bowl. You just can't take away what the Giants have done in the last 10 games.
I do think though that the bottom line of the game is that the cold affected favre a hell of a lot more than Manning. I really didn't see that coming. But when you take the 92yd touchdown pass out of it, favre's numbers were miserable, which is to be expected in a severe conditions game, while manning's numbers were respectable for a regular weather game, and outstanding for a severe conditions game.
here's to hoping we get another chance with favre next year.
Hitokage said:Year Peyton made it to the big game: 9th as pro.
Year Eli made it: 4th
Somebody mentioned that the high snap at the end that led to the botched FG attempt was Tony Romo's revenge, and then during the OT coin toss I predicted Packers would get it and we would see Matt Hasselbeck's revenge. It's nice to have a call go your way sometime.
Oh yeaaaaaaaHHHH
borghe said:harris has always had problems against fast receivers, and last night burress was as fast as the best of them. favre was throwing some awful passes (though he was also throwing some good ones) and there were a couple of missed catches as well.
but at the end of the day, the Giants played better, the pack had three MAJOR opportunities (2 missed FGs and winning the OT toss) and just couldn't capitalize. I said at the start of OT "All we need to do is move the ball 50 yards and kick a chip shot" and we just couldn't do it.
But unlike many packer post-season losses, this one was a little easier to swallow being that there were no bullshit calls, we were handed a lot of opportunities that we never did anything with, and it is without question this year that the (SURPRISINGLY) best team of the NFC is going to the super bowl. You just can't take away what the Giants have done in the last 10 games.
I do think though that the bottom line of the game is that the cold affected favre a hell of a lot more than Manning. I really didn't see that coming. But when you take the 92yd touchdown pass out of it, favre's numbers were miserable, which is to be expected in a severe conditions game, while manning's numbers were respectable for a regular weather game, and outstanding for a severe conditions game.
here's to hoping we get another chance with favre next year.
I agree with all of that, but I never understood the "if you take xxx out of it" comments. That play did, in fact, happen. I mean shit, if you take the drive where the Packers defense lost it's mind and took stupid ass penalties out of it, they win the game. Sadly, that is not possible.
Oh, I normally don't advocate "Well, if this didn't happen they would have won the game". I agree with you that it's a stupid philosophy to approach. All I was saying was that, while the packers numbers looked ok, it was because of that ONE play that they looked ok. Without that one play their numbers would have been terrible, which then goes to explain a lot of what we saw. I'm not actually saying "If you take away that play then x". I am more or less just saying that one play skews a lot of our offensive numbers.. usually when you have plays like that you end up with just insane offensive yardage. With that play we ended up with just ok yardage.eznark said:
Spectral Glider
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topsyturvy said:
What are you jabbering about?
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/#playoffs
The '02 blowout to the Jets was the only real inexcusable one. For three years running, '03-'05, they were ousted by the eventual Super Bowl winner. And then in '06 they put it all together. This year, had San Diego been healthy offensively, or maybe if Volek played a half even, they may have shocked the world. The Colts loss to them wasn't that crazy.
Spectral Glider
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eznark said:
I was just about stunned by the way Plax played...his greatest game ever. I've dogged him in the past and I can't do it anymore. He dismantled Harris and got into his head, shades of Hines a little bit. And in the cold, he was catching the ball with his hands away from his body most of the time. A shame he didn't have a TD, but I'm sure he's happy as hell with a SB trip.
My biggest complaint with Plax was that he never showed up in big games and the dropsies.Spectral Glider said:
He has been huge for the Giants the last two years and he obviously showed up big yesterday.
His hands have been pretty good this year and in the games I have watched he seems to have less drops than Hines (who is starting to drop more every year).
RurouniZel
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Big Zep said:
I wouldn't dispute this. But I also feel that Eli has gotten a lot of flack that most other quarterbacks wouldn't simply because he has a brother who's better.
Hopefully, assuming he don't completely choke two weeks from now, his critics will start judging him based on his own merits rather than his brother's...
Guileless
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:lol Great avatar Wellie. You always believed!
In Eli's senior year, Ole Miss played LSU at the end of the season with the winner going to the SEC Championship game. Our kicker, who won the damn Lou Groza award that year, missed two makable field goals and we lost 17-14, with LSU going on to win the national title. Everyone watching at my house last night had flashbacks to that terrible night after the second field goal miss, thinking Eli was cursed.
But Larry Tynes got a third try. I thought they were going to just go for it, his body language looked terrible before the second kick.
In Eli's senior year, Ole Miss played LSU at the end of the season with the winner going to the SEC Championship game. Our kicker, who won the damn Lou Groza award that year, missed two makable field goals and we lost 17-14, with LSU going on to win the national title. Everyone watching at my house last night had flashbacks to that terrible night after the second field goal miss, thinking Eli was cursed.
But Larry Tynes got a third try. I thought they were going to just go for it, his body language looked terrible before the second kick.
Ninja Scooter
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lets be realistic. The Packers and Cowboys did a shit job of getting pressure on Eli. Belicheck is an defensive genius. He'll figure out a way to get it done. Hell, even during the regular season NE/NY game, once the Pats stopped playing around and actually started sending men at Eli in the 2nd half, it was the same old Eli being Eli. You guys can hold out hope, but the Pats are going to dismantle the Giants. Its destiny. My prediction: NE 31, NY 14
Giants' bench heater didn't work and they were still less affected by the cold? Must be sporting them thermal pants.
I like how Eli has gone from having terrible body language to being Mr. Cool Under Pressure. He's like that because nothing phases him! This season has made that SD-NYG trade look like Babe Ruth for cash money.
Really enjoyed watching Plax abuse GB yesterday and hanging on to the ball after some nasty hits. Except for Moss, nobody makes catching the ball look easier to me.
I like how Eli has gone from having terrible body language to being Mr. Cool Under Pressure. He's like that because nothing phases him! This season has made that SD-NYG trade look like Babe Ruth for cash money.
Really enjoyed watching Plax abuse GB yesterday and hanging on to the ball after some nasty hits. Except for Moss, nobody makes catching the ball look easier to me.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Eli!!! Pull it through man! Tear down evil like America tore down the Axis of Evil. Do it for America!
TheDrizzlerJ11
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Tom Penny said:
Tied. Remember what "Team" means. Dolphins did it with a back up QB.
They are tied with the best team ever.
Funny i dont recall Peyton playing QB, Defense AND does the field goal kicking on the side. I must have fallen asleep during those games.topsyturvy said:
As I recall Vanderjackass missed the field goal against the Steelers.
And I remember at least one game being played Colts vs Pats in Foxboro in the playoffs, thus indicating that the Patriots were the team with better record.
Someone else with some sense.Spectral Glider said:
Ninja Scooter
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TheDrizzlerJ11 said:
the Dolphins also did it playing a schedule so easy it would make Ohio St. look good. '72 Phins=most overrated team ever. The 80s Niners, 90s Cowboys and current Pats would dismantle them, along with a number of other teams, would dismantle them if they ever played.
TheDrizzlerJ11
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Ninja Scooter said:
Just finished arguing the "Best QB ever"
Not going to continue to argue something retarded and opinionated as this. Shouldn't compare teams from different eras.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Check this out.Ninja Scooter said:
Sorry Eli haters, but these stats show exactly why he is doing so much better in the playoffs than the regular season. I don't know the numbers for yesterday, but I didn't see a lot of blitzes.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Oh yeah, who's making the Super Bowl thread?
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