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Official: Nintendo DS Lite (aka Redesign Time!)
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brandonh83
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PS8 looks cool but I think they're jumping the gun.
brandonh83
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cvxfreak said:
:lol
Oh well, it saved us a lot of money and E3's.
Rocket Punch
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Error2k4 said:
I've been out of the loop.. What rumors??
Amir0x said:
Logically, you are also for big corporations selling stuff at a loss to drive out the competition so that they can charge any price they want, right? You must also love Wal-Mart, which seems despised by so many, because they sell lots of stuff at a loss to get you in the door, then drive the competition out of business.
I mean, if you are for both of those things, I suppose your stance makes sense.
TekunoRobby
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I hope those rumors turn out to be true. While a slightly smaller, sexier, and more accessible DS piques my interest it isn't that great of a jump compared to Nintendo's previous handheld "upgrades." Including WiFi pictochat and expanded internal memory to save downloadable game demos would be a nice upgrade and easily worth the price of moving on to the next revision. Although I still think they probably should have waited for a few more months; just slightly over year is a bit too soon I think. However given the shortages in Japan and the fan clamor for this new design it seems like my opinion might be wrong, people are excited and welcoming it with open arms. Irregardless if the rumors are true or not I'll be picking up the redesign since I stupidly forgot to send my system in for repairs before my year period ended and my DS has seen its share of wear and tear.
EDIT: For those who are out of the loop, here's a summary of the rumors I spoke of: http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=2662885&postcount=478
EDIT: For those who are out of the loop, here's a summary of the rumors I spoke of: http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=2662885&postcount=478
DavidDayton said:
No actually they are completely different things in terms of what we're discussing. One has far reaching implications in the discounting industry which can seriously hurt not only small business, but the consumers themselves (because eventually the prices will go up once the market is largely monopolized). The other is a company selling the very own product it makes at a loss with the hope that it'll attract more consumers so they can make back the money on software and accessories. Eventually, if they lose too much money they'll go under themselves/stop producing the brand. But the likelyhood of it driving another company out, or indeed hurting any consumers, is very low as you can see with Nintendo thriving and Microsoft making its own sort of headway with a similar market strategy for capitalization and the industry still doing very well.
The connection you're trying to make, in the end, is shady at best. That said, I'm still a hypocrite because I buy at Wal-Mart all the time 'cause it's cheaper and unfortunately that's what I can afford. Thems the breaks!
elostyle said:
I'm sorry, you obviously have a point here that I'm missing since the facts aren't backing you up. Microsoft Xbox 360 premium is selling for 399 and the total cost of manufacturing based on iSuppli's report is $525 dollars. That seems like a 125 dollar loss to me, what does it seem like to you?
The one that lists a wireless adapter? Seems like BS.Amir0x said:
Microsoft is probably dumping on the hardware again but they aren't giving it to you for 125$ less than manufacturing costs. It's a stupid urban legend that this is the common case. PSP brought in 500$ in profits last quater, didn't it?
MS had to with the original xbox because they fucked up negotiating with suppliers and their plan to recoup loss by selling it for 500$ in europe failed.
Frankfurter
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Amir0x said:
Even if that's the case, MS wants to make money in the end (they aren't able to do that at the moment, but they'll try to do it in this gen) which means that you'll pay more for accessories (100 Dollar HDD and 100 Dollar Wifi Adapter say hello) and games (60 Dollar games say hello).
Frankfurter
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135 Dollars? That's a quite stupid price point, isn't it?
MadOdorMachine
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TekunoRobby said:
Gaybrush Threepio said they are both the same internally. He didn't really confirm with a solid yes or no though. I'll buy DSL anyway, I just think these features would be a great addition.
Revisions to the interenal system just doesnt seem possible.... I mean, I'm pretty sure they wouldnt have one awesome DS with all these awesome features, then the 6 million other ds owners who are screwed over with shit in their hand. I mean it seems more likely these features will be in DS 2 [btw i think they will call it DS squared with the little 2, but idk how to do that]
JoshuaJSlone
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Amir0x said:
Nintendo GameCube after 6 months: $150Amir0x said:
Sony PlayStation 2 after 5 years: $150
Consumers like electronics that are priced at around x49.99 or x99.99 for some reason. One can find a preference for 50th and hundredth anniversaries which seem to be more celebrated than, the 80th or 59th. Human brain most have some preference for this or something.elostyle said:
Retailers work on thin margins, most of the money is going to the hardware manufacturer. If they drop the price of the GameCube to $89.99, they'll probably be losing money.
If you don't think anyone is taking a loss on hardware, why did MS lose billions in their gaming division? Report them to the SEC, because if Microsoft is lying they defrauded their stockholders.
elostyle said:
Yes, they make money because of software and accessories elostyle. That's the very foundation of their console business strategy.
There's no urban legend. It's a fact. PS2 sold at a loss, Xbox sold at a loss, 360 is selling at a loss, PS3 is almost certainly gonna sell at a loss, and I think even N64 sold at a slight loss for a little while. You can choose to deny this fact, but that's your deal. Gotta say, though, it makes you look pretty silly.
Frankfurter said:
Everyone wants to make money. But it's far too early to suggest that high accessory prices and 60 dollar games is a Microsoft-specific event. Not only that, it's a bit flaky to say it's Microsoft's fault that there are 60 dollar games since they are charging less for their first party titles. I think we can lay the blame there on third parties and higher development costs.
In the end, if I was getting the premium pack all I'd ever need is another controller or two and that's the same thing for every system.
JoshuaJStone said:
Yes? Again, bleeding edge = selling for significantly less than the sum total of your components. When PS2 launched, it was bleeding edge. When Xbox launched, again - bleeding edge. Gamecube didn't go with a DVD Drive or harddrive, so they got to skirt around those extra costs. PS2 has at this point pretty much evened out, so it's no longer selling at a loss I think we can all agree. And Gamecube is the same thing. So on these products, it's no longer applicable. I purchased my PS2, Xbox and Gamecube at launch, so that's the count.
They included it into the BOM for the 360 which is factually wrong and questions the whole thing. How can they estimate cost for a device if they don't even know what's in it?Amir0x said:
How do we know PS2 sold at a loss? PSX never sold at a loss despite everyone calling price dumping on its release.
Sony has better things to do - exactly what was the PS2's competition when it came out? Dreamcast?
Calling xbox bleeding edge when it came out is a bit silly considering that every tech company in the world could have slapped those parts together.
Except microsoft, no one would spend 2 billion on R&D and then sell for less than the cost of materials ... and then spend millions on marketing campaigns.
elostyle said:
At this point, this is just the forum equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and humming. You're even choosing to ignore iSuppli, who has done this accurately for a while and has never been proven wrong.
[url=http://www.isuppli.com/news/xbox/]1[/url] said:
[url=http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/28/news_6128295.html]2[/url] said:
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader]3[/url] said:
Now you can choose to believe what you will, but there's no debate to be had here. We really can't even have a discussion if you're just refusing to accept the facts. You'd be better served forming a more viable argument on something else.
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