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[malsumis]

I believe he means the tabs just slide around, like chrome, rather than showing a notification where it's going to be placed, like it used to do and like FF does currently


I believe most people's shunning of opera comes down to a few reasons

1) tried it 7yrs ago, didn't like it, base all standards/js support on how it was 7 years ago
2) interface hangups
3) LOL@LOGO
4) misguided belief that open source = better/more stable
5) want to use their FF plugins without checking that for most common ones there are alternatives in opera, usually already built into the browser

Opera hate is so mindblowingly close minded it's not funny

About tabs: ok. Thats nice. But sometimes there's no tab animation and the indicator is still there. Especially when you drag the tab away from the tab bar.

1) that's actually true. Although standards support always been pretty good. JS was also nice back then. The only real problem was, like now, that Opera has it's own bugs, and they're different from IE bugs and different from Firefox bugs, and people (and even webdevelopers) assume that if it renders ok in Firefox or IE, then it it what it should be. Never mind that they just hacked around a ton of bugs of IE and a around second ton for FF. And a lot of the time, Opera is just plainly banned/ignored/whatever. If you change your ID to FF or IE, everything, most often, starts working again. It's actually a miracle that so many sites just work without a single effort from webmasters.

2) Never ever happened to me. But I'm not the whole world, so...

3) Whatever. And IE has an "e" for a logo. Seriously. And netscape had an "N" for a logo. And so on. These were the logos back on 1995.

4) More idiots. I always have a good time when someone like that pops up, because most of them are running windows with MS Office and a ton of proprietary apps. If you're bringing this as an argument, stop using windows you idiot.

5) Well, you know, "if it doesn't work exactly like some obscure extension, it's not there". Heard it a million times. If you want it exactly like some other piece of software, why bother trying something new? This just boggles my mind.

 

[Krowley]

I used to be an opera guy, and I switched to firefox because of an internet job I did that required a particular extension, but I just stopped doing that job recently, and I just installed this new opera. I'm absolutely loving it. This is definitely the best browser available. It's just so nice, and runs so smoothly right out of the box. I love all the new interface tweaks.

 

[santouras]

About tabs: ok. Thats nice. But sometimes there's no tab animation and the indicator is still there. Especially when you drag the tab away from the tab bar.

1) that's actually true. Although standards support always been pretty good. JS was also nice back then. The only real problem was, like now, that Opera has it's own bugs, and they're different from IE bugs and different from Firefox bugs, and people (and even webdevelopers) assume that if it renders ok in Firefox or IE, then it it what it should be. Never mind that they just hacked around a ton of bugs of IE and a around second ton for FF. And a lot of the time, Opera is just plainly banned/ignored/whatever. If you change your ID to FF or IE, everything, most often, starts working again. It's actually a miracle that so many sites just work without a single effort from webmasters.

2) Never ever happened to me. But I'm not the whole world, so...

3) Whatever. And IE has an "e" for a logo. Seriously. And netscape had an "N" for a logo. And so on. These were the logos back on 1995.

4) More idiots. I always have a good time when someone like that pops up, because most of them are running windows with MS Office and a ton of proprietary apps. If you're bringing this as an argument, stop using windows you idiot.

5) Well, you know, "if it doesn't work exactly like some obscure extension, it's not there". Heard it a million times. If you want it exactly like some other piece of software, why bother trying something new? This just boggles my mind.

I'm not bashing opera here, it's been my no1 browser for about 4 or 5 years now, I'm just saying the most common objections I hear about it when I recommend it to people

 

[malsumis]

I'm not bashing opera here, it's been my no1 browser for about 4 or 5 years now, I'm just saying the most common objections I hear about it when I recommend it to people

Not saying you do. Just pointing out the stupidity of the arguments.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Well, I am done with the beta until the full version. I love it but just starting it up this morning it crashed 7 times.

 

[malsumis]

There is a new snapshot. It supposedly fixes some crashers, so try it out:

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/02/17/no-rest-for-the-wicked

 

[yoopoo]

"Click to activate and use this control" remove patch: http://my.opera.com/d.i.z./blog/2009/01/28/eolass-bites-the-dust Build 3257 or version 9.x

Update of plugin/flash block http://my.opera.com/Lex1/blog/flashblock-for-opera-9

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

There is a new snapshot. It supposedly fixes some crashers, so try it out:

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/02/17/no-rest-for-the-wicked

Tried it, it seems to crash on startup each time. Must be one of the pages I have open.

 

[malsumis]

Updated the OP with info. Beta 2 is out.

 

[Fio]

Is it just me, or is Opera buffering GIFs now?

Is there a way to 'fix' it?

 

[malsumis]

Is there a way to 'fix' it?

Probably not, since it's an internal thing. Also, I found nothing relevant in opera:config .

 

[cory]

Updated the OP with info. Beta 2 is out.

Chrome kept crashing every 5 minutes, so I tried Opera and noticed Beta 2 was out!
Haven't noticed anything yet.

 

[yoopoo]

RC put today http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/

 

[Wraith]

I believe he means the tabs just slide around, like chrome, rather than showing a notification where it's going to be placed, like it used to do and like FF does currently



I believe most people's shunning of opera comes down to a few reasons

1) tried it 7yrs ago, didn't like it, base all standards/js support on how it was 7 years ago
2) interface hangups
3) LOL@LOGO
4) misguided belief that open source = better/more stable
5) want to use their FF plugins without checking that for most common ones there are alternatives in opera, usually already built into the browser

Opera hate is so mindblowingly close minded it's not funny

You missed "Doesn't work with common sites." Sites don't test Opera and, really, that makes sense given its tiny market share. The result is that you're going to end up reaching for that IE button(or Firefox, or whatever) a fair amount of the time. I used Opera as my main for years(until mid-late last year) but eventually I just got sick of having to use a second browser several times a day and went to Firefox.

 

[malsumis]

You missed "Doesn't work with common sites." Sites don't test Opera and, really, that makes sense given its tiny market share. The result is that you're going to end up reaching for that IE button(or Firefox, or whatever) a fair amount of the time. I used Opera as my main for years(until mid-late last year) but eventually I just got sick of having to use a second browser several times a day and went to Firefox.

And this is the real problem. And you're not helping here

PS: on a sidenote, Firefox also had similar problems. But to a much lesser extent, because of it's netscape legacy. Heck, Firefox has netscape strings all over the place to this day.

PS2: also, the market share figures are a bit misleading. Opera, PC and Mini alone has over 100 million active users. And that's not counting the Wii, the DS, Mobile, and many other variants. Shutting out 100 million potential customers is pretty stupid.

 

[Wraith]

And this is the real problem. And you're not helping here

PS: on a sidenote, Firefox also had similar problems. But to a much lesser extent, because of it's netscape legacy. Heck, Firefox has netscape strings all over the place to this day.

PS2: also, the market share figures are a bit misleading. Opera, PC and Mini alone has over 100 million active users. And that's not counting the Wii, the DS, Mobile, and many other variants. Shutting out 100 million potential customers is pretty stupid.

I don't want to "help" because I don't care if Opera succeeds or fails. It IS a great browser on a theoretical level but if it can't be used for every day browsing then it hardly matters. Also, I see that Opera has plenty of users, so why doesn't this ever translate into site stats? How is "100 million users" calculated, I guess?

 

[scorcho]

greatly impressed with the RC on Windows. they've fixed some of the rendering speed and display issues i've noticed and everything appears stable.

 

[gdt]

I'll try this out, but it better be awesome if it wants to take over Chrome for me.

 

[malsumis]

I don't want to "help" because I don't care if Opera succeeds or fails. It IS a great browser on a theoretical level but if it can't be used for every day browsing then it hardly matters. Also, I see that Opera has plenty of users, so why doesn't this ever translate into site stats? How is "100 million users" calculated, I guess?

Opera has a way of tracking ho many users it's got. I quote official stats. http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/q4-2009 - though my memory rounded numbers a lil' bit too high. As for why doesn't it translate to stats? I don't really know. My best guess would be agressive caching and over-representation of other browsers, most notably the ones with link pre-fetching. Plus, market grows every day. Plus, mini can't be tracked reliably, because it uses proxy servers, so at least mini is really, I mean very heavily under-represented (note that desktop Opera is tracked at about 2-3%, and mini heavily under 1%, and somehow the number of users is roughly equal. Similarily, Chrome reported 30 million users back in November, when Opera reported over 40 million desktop users for Q3. Chrome was tracked at nearly 4.7% and Opera at 2%( by http://gs.statcounter.com/ ). So, there you go, market share. EDIT: Google announced early January that they have over 40 million users: it was tracked at 6% in January, and Opera was still 2%.

I don't want to "help" because I don't care if Opera succeeds or fails.

I kinda do. For two main reasons. Firstly, Opera's success means that nobody will frown upon my browser of choice. Secondly, if I ever change browsers, the next one will not be: IE,nor Firefox, nor Safari, nor Chrome, for various reasons. It may not even be a browser based on any of the leading rendering engines, and so it could face similar problems as Opera faces now. Operas success means more focus on web standards, and less coding around various browser bugs. Even though I don't personally like Chrome, I wish it a fair share of market, because more engines means more focus on standards. Hopefully.

 

[gdt]

I'll try this out, but it better be awesome if it wants to take over Chrome for me.

Meh.

 

[malsumis]

RC put today http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/

and two another RC's, and now we're at RC3:

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/03/01/1050-rc3

If things go that fast, it's probably due this week.

 

[DieH@rd]

My Win 7 RC will die today, so after installing full windows version i will try this RC3.

 

[malsumis]

My Win 7 RC will die today, so after installing full windows version i will try this RC3.

better try RC4 ;P it's up on desktop team blog. Or scratch that, wait till tommorow, there's gonna be 10.50 final probably.

 

[Vanillalite]

I want to like this and do in terms of the fact that it's fully win 7 integrated. I just worry that they are rushing this out to hit the ballot initiative, and that despite it working generally well that there will still be a lot of smaller bugs cropping up.

 

[Sanskrit]

I tried it, but didnt really like it. I guess I'm just used to ff :lol

 

[malsumis]

I tried it, but didnt really like it. I guess I'm just used to ff :lol

Try to use it for a week or so.

PS: it seems that 10.50 went live as I predicted: ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/1050/en/ - or at least it will go live in few hours. Opera's main page is not updated yet.

time to start the proper thread for a final I guess.

 

[cory]

I find sometimes that when I click sometimes it goes to the links in the ads on the page, usually when I'm clicking two things quickly in succession.

 

[clav]

I'm still 10.10.

Excited what this final 10.50 version brings out.

I use Opera extensively on my Windows Mobile phone, so I always like to see what Opera has in store for desktop users.

 

[Neverender]

10.5 now... How can I access the preferences without the menu bar up top? Also can I turn off the extra windows for each tab thing (in Win7)?

 

[malsumis]

10.5 now... How can I access the preferences without the menu bar up top? Also can I turn off the extra windows for each tab thing (in Win7)?

preferences are alt+p. or ctrl+f12.

 

[Lain]

Is it possible to downgrade from Opera 10.51?
It got installed after a PC reboot (damn you auto download and install new version option) and I'm hating it. It is sluggish and somewhat unrensponsive (it hangs for a split second here and there) for me (I have no idea why) so I'd like to go back to the previous version if it is at all possible.

 

[malsumis]

Is it possible to downgrade from Opera 10.51?
It got installed after a PC reboot (damn you auto download and install new version option) and I'm hating it. It is sluggish and somewhat unrensponsive (it hangs for a split second here and there) for me (I have no idea why) so I'd like to go back to the previous version if it is at all possible.

If you don't use the mail service, it should be possible to downgrade by uninstalling the current version and then reinstalling the old one.

Although, I recommend installing in a clean profile, it has been reported, that some old configs cause random unresponsiveness, so try that first. Just select a different directory than the last installation.

 

[Lain]

I uninstalled 10.51 and reinstalled 10.10 and it worked perfectly, thanks!

I sort of resolved the sluggish and unresponsive beahvious of 10.51, but then I started getting a "Waiting for DNS confirmation of Cookie domain(s)" message with certain webpages not loading and simply gave up on it and trying to do a fresh installation.

 

[malsumis]

I uninstalled 10.51 and reinstalled 10.10 and it worked perfectly, thanks!

I sort of resolved the sluggish and unresponsive beahvious of 10.51, but then I started getting a "Waiting for DNS confirmation of Cookie domain(s)" message with certain webpages not loading and simply gave up on it and trying to do a fresh installation.

The DNS bug is know and massively irritating, when you actually encounter it. It should be resolved in the upcoming 10.52 version. I can recommend installing 10.52 snapshots. They're currently concentrating on stability and bugfixes, so even though they write that they may be dangerous, in reality, they should be more stable than latest stable releases. Give it a go: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/04/16/fixing-bugs - the newest snapshot, released today.

 

[evlcookie]

Looks like 10.53 is out.

Does anyone have any issues with looking at pages with a ton of images? Like the old hot women thread etc where the scroll bar would just vanish?

It's still present in 10.53 ffs :/

 

[adamsappel]

I'm a huge Opera fanboy from way back, but 10.53 was constantly crashing on my iMac. I Time-Machined back to 10.10. I didn't notice any obvious visual differences, so besides the instability I can't speak to anything else it offered.

 

[scorcho]

I'm a huge Opera fanboy from way back, but 10.53 was constantly crashing on my iMac. I Time-Machined back to 10.10. I didn't notice any obvious visual differences, so besides the instability I can't speak to anything else it offered.

10.53 >>>> 10.10 in both html rendering and javascript execution. i'm not seeing the instability you are - perhaps a clean profile would help?

 

[forknknife]

Sorry for the bump!

I have shifted to Opera and I've encountered this problem when browsing GAF where the Gaming, Offtopic, Online tabs are shown altogether and it's impossible to click precisely on any of them. Has anyone had the same type of problem and knows of a way of solving it? I don't want to go back to firefox now, not again :S

 

[MrHicks]

opera displays many sites wrong (or certain features on sites won't work)
because it has like 2% share nobody cares about making their sites opera compatible

 

[CTLance]

Yah, it's a bug. Not sure if it's Opera or Neogaf screwing up, but what can you do. File a bug report (O->Help->Report a Site problem....) and hope for the best.

Let's hope this gets fixed fast. I have the pixel hunting down to an art form by now.

 

[forknknife]

Well, that sucks. Now I also noticed that the facebook chat function is also broken since, everytime the other person writes, it takes you out from your text box and you have to click on it again to be able to write on it
So, I think I'm going to change to Chrome in the end, although I like Opera's interface better but what can you do.... :/

 

[iirate]

Yep, as much as it broke my heart, I made the switch to Chrome over a week ago. It's a downgrade, but at least I no longer have to worry about every website known to man breaking down on me.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

hmm.

doesn't feel quite as awesome on OSX. eh.

 

[malsumis]

Sorry for the bump!

I have shifted to Opera and I've encountered this problem when browsing GAF where the Gaming, Offtopic, Online tabs are shown altogether and it's impossible to click precisely on any of them. Has anyone had the same type of problem and knows of a way of solving it? I don't want to go back to firefox now, not again :S

there'a a css fix for that.

.forum-tabs li {
width: 140px;
}

Paste the above into a text file, save it on your hard drive under a name like neogaf.css. Right click somewhere while on neogaf forums and select "edit site preferences". Then the "display" pane, and then choose the folder in which you put the saved file. Magic is done.

 

[DieH@rd]

there'a a css fix for that.

Thanks, works like a charm!