Why they are there is irrelevant. Good design can make that stick position just as comfortable.
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Opinion: Why the PS4 controller is better than the Xbox One controller
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Why they are there is irrelevant. Good design can make that stick position just as comfortable.
Aside from accessing menu options, that touch pad will be a shit substitute for a mouse.
I love both controllers. DS3 was horrible and hurt my hands when playing, but DS4 is amazing. The biggest improvement was that it felt natural. The X1 controller felt good but the triggers a bit weird. Not saying it was a bad thing just something new that I was not used too. I look forward to gaming on both hopefully at the end of the year.
No shit. People want it for times when you need a mouse to set your game up, not to play it.
That's exactly what I said.
I'll pass judgement when I get my hands on both.
From what I've seen the xbone controller looks much better just like the 360 one.
In fact it seems like the controller is one of the few areas where MS really has Sony beat. A lot of this comes down to my preference on stick placement admittedly.
From what I've seen the xbone controller looks much better just like the 360 one.
In fact it seems like the controller is one of the few areas where MS really has Sony beat. A lot of this comes down to my preference on stick placement admittedly.
Lotta fighting in here.
I think both controllers look awesome. I generally prefer the shape and look of the DS4 as well as the improvements made to the DS4 over the Xbone.
I'm also not a fan of how sharp the Xbone controller looks or how "fat" the bumpers and triggers look and how they blend in to each other. Looks kinda...off. The fancy impact triggers seem like they need to be heavily implemented to even work considering every hands-on we've heard have said they haven't been working (only in the small controller tech demo things where it has like 5 selections to test things out).
And for people who dislike the DS analog placement, a lot of that has a direct correlation to the ergonomics of the DS3. DS4 looks like a marked improvement in that area. And for people who just flat out dislike symmetrical sticks..I ask you this...put your hands on your lap in a semi-closed fist--where are your thumbs?
ThriftyNerd isn't an unknown site. It's a decently popular site like CheapAssGamer used as a aggregate site to find the cheapest price for games.
This isn't handytips.info or anything.
I think both controllers look awesome. I generally prefer the shape and look of the DS4 as well as the improvements made to the DS4 over the Xbone.
I'm also not a fan of how sharp the Xbone controller looks or how "fat" the bumpers and triggers look and how they blend in to each other. Looks kinda...off. The fancy impact triggers seem like they need to be heavily implemented to even work considering every hands-on we've heard have said they haven't been working (only in the small controller tech demo things where it has like 5 selections to test things out).
And for people who dislike the DS analog placement, a lot of that has a direct correlation to the ergonomics of the DS3. DS4 looks like a marked improvement in that area. And for people who just flat out dislike symmetrical sticks..I ask you this...put your hands on your lap in a semi-closed fist--where are your thumbs?
ThriftyNerd isn't an unknown site. It's a decently popular site like CheapAssGamer used as a aggregate site to find the cheapest price for games.
This isn't handytips.info or anything.
I really wish they would have just put the new d-pad and triggers on the 360 controller instead of making the thing boxy and uncomfortable looking for whatever reason.
Not good if MadCatz can make the same shit without spending 100 million!
Menuwork can be a lot. Think of browsing the web or multitask a little. If I play a PC game on a big screen and quickly want to check a walkthrough, browse the web or install a mod, that touchpad can be quite cool. No need to look for another input device. And being clickable, the pad contains all basic mouse functionality - and more if you think of pinching and scrolling. I can imagine it to be really convenient, if supported on PC officially. But on the other hand: Why would Sony want that? They want people to use a PS4 for doing all that.
At that point, I would just use a wireless keyboard with a mousepad on it. Typing with a gamepad is really dumb.
I really don't understand how people who have been gaming for any length of time can't adjust to any control pad fairly quickly. I bounce between everything and never have a problem. Sure a prefer the 360 pad for it's ergonomics, but I have zero issues controlling anything with a DS3. Stick placements feel natural on both
It's a non issue, especially now with the improvements the DS4 has made
It's a non issue, especially now with the improvements the DS4 has made
Touche, typing really still would be an issue.
Voice recognition should be used for that at this point. I mean, "speech to text".
Seems like a lot of trouble that can be avoided with a wireless keyboard.
koorigashi
Neo Member
Another problem is a lot of people try holding the PS3 controller like the 360 controller which doesn't work, comparing it to mouse grips, 360 would be a palm hold, and PS3 is a claw hold.
I mainly like the DS3/4 because I can hold it like this though
You'll get used to it when ten years from now, everyone is messaging everyone by talking to their glasses (i'm very impatient about it tbh).
Another problem is a lot of people try holding the PS3 controller like the 360 controller which doesn't work, comparing it to mouse grips, 360 would be a palm hold, and PS3 is a claw hold.
I mainly like the DS3/4 because I can hold it like this though
My brain won't handle that... Holy shit are you serious? Ah... you are japanese and you love Monster Hunter and PSP, am i right?
BeekleMatter
Member
I can only claw grip, especially when I play fast shooters (gears/cod/etc). It's really hard for me to claw a DS3, but perfect on the x360. Hopefully the DS4 will be big enough to make it real easy for me.
EDIT: I love how many people haven't seen a claw grip. It's the only way!!! You never have to take your thumb off the right stick to jump/reload/melee or anything. It's the best.
So the xbox one controller is better but asymmetrical sticks are horrible in your opinion? The Xb1controller has asymmetrical sticks.. did you mean symmetrical?
NullPointer
Member
Gah! What devilry is this?
quickwhips
Member
I sure hope so because this is my biggest problem. I wish sony would have made a controller you could buy and said we except everyone! I would only be bitching about the interface then.
Duxxy3
Member
So isn't a touch pad on a laptop.
Better than nothing though.
Another problem is a lot of people try holding the PS3 controller like the 360 controller which doesn't work, comparing it to mouse grips, 360 would be a palm hold, and PS3 is a claw hold.
I mainly like the DS3/4 because I can hold it like this though
That is disturbing.
koorigashi
Neo Member
Haha yeah, it's a bit of Monster Hunter and Dark Souls and FPSs.
It's actually really comfortable and natural feeling once you get used to it.
Another problem is a lot of people try holding the PS3 controller like the 360 controller which doesn't work, comparing it to mouse grips, 360 would be a palm hold, and PS3 is a claw hold.
I mainly like the DS3/4 because I can hold it like this though
What the hell.
NullPointer
Member
Gotta admit, whenever I see action game combos that use multiple buttons simultaneously like X+O, or A+Y I have to scrunch my head because my fingers just aren't going to do that.
Pro-tip to developers. If you put those multiple-simultaneous-face-button moves in your game I'm never going to use them. If I wanted to contort my fingers to play games I'd go back to keyboard and mouse, thank you very much.
I mainly like the DS3/4 because I can hold it like this though
That's how i play dark souls. No other way to keep running and moving the camera.
Yeah. This would make a very interesting sociology subject, lol.
But i'm perfectly fine at FIFA with my classic "palm hold"... So i will go with that!
Another problem is a lot of people try holding the PS3 controller like the 360 controller which doesn't work, comparing it to mouse grips, 360 would be a palm hold, and PS3 is a claw hold.
I mainly like the DS3/4 because I can hold it like this though
Seriously, being able to easily access the D-pad all while holding down a face button, shoulder button, and simultaneously control the camera makes playing certain games even more enjoyable when I'm able to fully utilize the mechanics.
Canis lupus
Member
I dont understand when some people say they dont like the left stick placement on the Dualshock because their left thumb feels uncomfortable and sit in an unnatural position, but their right thumb is okay, makes no sense. So far from all the previews it seems that DS4 will prove that symmetrical postions of the sticks can feel natural to your thumbs.
Duxxy3
Member
I think ergonomics matter a lot more than placement.
Having finally play with both, I'm up in the air with which one I like better. I never liked the DualShocks, but the DS4 feels excellent. The Xbone controller feels like a slight improvement on the 360 controller, which I consider to be the best controller to date. At least I can say that I'll love both new controllers.
Sounds like a less convoluted control scheme would be better, but hey, whatever floats your boat, man.
IMO, when my thumb has to go up to reach the stick, it tires a little more than when it is right on the DS stick. So i feel the opposite.
captainraincoat
Banned
Stick placement lets the ds4 down in my opinion...its definitely a step up but once you combine that with the haptic feedback triggers which feel beautiful to use on the xbone control its just a better all round package.
also..my observation
The ds4 touchpad also felt unatural to use and one of the ladies who had smaller hands kept dropping the controller on the demo unit we had
As she could not get a decent grip
has anyone else who has used it felt the touchpad feels tacked on and in the wrong spot???
also..my observation
The ds4 touchpad also felt unatural to use and one of the ladies who had smaller hands kept dropping the controller on the demo unit we had
As she could not get a decent grip
has anyone else who has used it felt the touchpad feels tacked on and in the wrong spot???
The schemes of those games are perfectly fine and accessible for the great majority of people who game. It's just that I sometimes like to have better situational awareness while, say, spamming the roll in Uncharted or boostdodging+reload canceling in Vanquish. Even in FPS titles like Battlefield: Bad Company 2 and BF3 on console, having easy D-pad access meant doing certain actions .5-1 second faster.
A control scheme that allows for ease of use and optional advanced mechanics available at the behest of the user is far, far better than "Press A to Awesome".
family_guy
Member
The PS4 controller is certainly more feature rich:
Sixaxis
Touch Pad
Share button
Light bar
Speaker
Built in battery
What's crazy is Xbox One controller's price is exactly the same.
Sixaxis
Touch Pad
Share button
Light bar
Speaker
Built in battery
What's crazy is Xbox One controller's price is exactly the same.
The stick placement argument is idiotic. What matters is how the sticks feel, and whether the controller is designed to make them perfectly accessible.
Another problem is a lot of people try holding the PS3 controller like the 360 controller which doesn't work, comparing it to mouse grips, 360 would be a palm hold, and PS3 is a claw hold.
I mainly like the DS3/4 because I can hold it like this though
The fuck? Pictures like this are why people think that the DS3 is a mess.
The same problem exists on the 360 pad though? It's not like we have enough thumbs to simultaneously reach all 4 zones on the face of the pad at once.
Rodney McKay
Member
I've been playing mostly PS3 and Vita games for the past few months and have only used a 360 controller when I played Saints Row 4 on the PC.
Even still I just can't get used to the left thumbstick being in a lower position on the dualshock/Vita. I have difficulty in games like Ratchet & Clank where you select weapons with a rotating menu because I'll point at the weapon I want and my thumb doesn't naturally move in the correct direction. Moving a character is fine since I can see their movement and correct on the fly, but for quick selection I STILL have a tiny bit of trouble.
It's nothing to put me off buying a PS4 eventually or playing games on Sony systems, but it's still a small annoyance.
The PS3 controller does look great to me and I hope to try it out eventually. I hope that the longer handles may allow me to hold it with a more natural grip (natural to my hands).
Even still I just can't get used to the left thumbstick being in a lower position on the dualshock/Vita. I have difficulty in games like Ratchet & Clank where you select weapons with a rotating menu because I'll point at the weapon I want and my thumb doesn't naturally move in the correct direction. Moving a character is fine since I can see their movement and correct on the fly, but for quick selection I STILL have a tiny bit of trouble.
It's nothing to put me off buying a PS4 eventually or playing games on Sony systems, but it's still a small annoyance.
The PS3 controller does look great to me and I hope to try it out eventually. I hope that the longer handles may allow me to hold it with a more natural grip (natural to my hands).
tokyostomp
Banned
I will reserve judgement until I get some hands-on time with them
BuggyDClown
Member
Well this is wrong xbox has some interesting features
IR blaster
Trigger feedback
WiFi direct instead of bluetooth 2.1
Asymmetric thumbstick
(Dont want built in battery, youre fucked when they die) xbox battery compartment is flush and built in but replaceable.
Also share button is an OS not controller feature. Thats just a button has nothing to do with controller value.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
I wish they would remove every single one of these features personally if it would reduce cost.
Most of them just seem like fluff to add additional bulletpoints.
Dark Octave
Banned
I grew up on Nintendo too but here in Murica, we read from left to right, "A" "B" and "X" "Y". That backwards button naming never sat well with me and I'm convinced whoever designed the NES and SNES buttons was dyslexic.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
That's an opinion I agree with.
BigPapaGlueHands
Banned
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