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[JoJoSono]

hahahaha

please, enlighten us as to what this means

Also, monolith is part of nintendo. Unless you're doing the whole "valve hasn't developed a game since half life" thing

Please tell me how a horror game like FF feels and fits in with what Nintendo normally internally makes.

Please tell me how a pastiche of 80s action cinema that is overly violent and over the top fits in with Nintendo's normally internally produced games.

Please tell me how an complex combo driven game staring an overly exaggerated sexy female character who dances like a pole dancer fits in with Nintendo's normally internally produced games.

Please tell me how a jrpg with a heavy sci fi meets metaphysical philosophy girant robot drama fits internally produced Nintendo games.

They don't.

Nintendo dosen't have a history of making horror games. They don't have a history of making third person shooters that ride off 80s action cinema and are violent. They don't have a history of of making DmC like action games with overly sexualised subject material. They have a history of making and publishing Jrpgs, but I sure didn't pick up a Xeno game because of Nintendo. I picked it up for the continued style of the Xeno games that was born well before even Monolith soft much less Monolith Soft under Nintendo happened.

These games aren't like what Nintendo themselves make. Which is fine because I'm not interested in what Nintendo themselves makes, but I'm happy they chose to diversify thier catalog buy helping these other games come out on thier system. That's while I buy a Wii U.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Actually Platinum are one of the few devs ever who are very Nintendo-like in their game design in terms of the AAA space, and at the same time have top tier quality.

Rare is the other.

I don't understand this post at all. Current Rare is absolutely nothing like Nintendo, and Platinum make hardcore games for niche audiences, which is pretty much the polar opposite of Nintendo's design philosophy.

 

[UncleSporky]

Let's put it this way. Their either going to be rolled into Starfox, or they're never coming out.

Let's put it this way. You're talking out your ass.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I don't understand this post at all. Current Rare is absolutely nothing like Nintendo, and Platinum make hardcore games for niche audiences, which is pretty much the polar opposite of Nintendo's design philosophy.

hahaha what

that's pretty much all nintendo's business model is nowadays. Fire Emblem, Pikmin 3, Donkey Kong, Kid Icarus, all of these are hardcore games that are targeting a small niche.

 

[Ricky 7]

We'll it does have the best exclusives, you just need one of the other 3 though for the third party games though.

 

[Velcro Fly]

Feel like I agree with the OP. I never owned a Wii and had hardly any games for the GameCube so I haven't been in the Nintendo loop for a long time. Looking forward to getting a Wii U/Super Mario 3D World bundle and buying Smash and some other first party stuff. The VC stuff and 2015 is just a bonus.

I do understand how people would see things differently though.

 

[AvoidDaNoid]

I wonder how many of the people complaining that Pikmin 3 is a sequel are going to buy the next AssCreed game.

Also why do people care whether a game is 1st party or 3rd party? Fun games are fun regardless of who made them.

Yeah. I wish they would quit milking the Pikmin series. I mean 3 games in the series in 14 years each with nice little changes in each title is way too much.

When does the annual Assassin's Creed come out again? The 2 that are all ready on the Wii U are not enough to last me this generation. I need a PS4 to get AC Unity.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Please tell me how a horror game like FF feels and fits in with what Nintendo normally internally makes.

Please tell me how a pastiche of 80s action cinema that is overly violent and over the top fits in with Nintendo's normally internally produced games.

Please tell me how an complex combo driven game staring an overly exaggerated sexy female character who dances like a pole dancer fits in with Nintendo's normally internally produced games.

Please tell me how a jrpg with a heavy sci fi meets metaphysical philosophy girant robot drama fits internally produced Nintendo games.

They don't.

Nintendo dosen't have a history of making horror games. They don't have a history of making third person shooters that ride off 80s action cinema and are violent. They don't have a history of of making DmC like action games with overly sexualised subject material. They have a history of making and publishing Jrpgs, but I sure didn't pick up a Xeno game because of Nintendo. I picked it up for the continued style of the Xeno games that was born well before even Monolith soft much less Monolith Soft under Nintendo happened.

These games aren't like what Nintendo themselves make. Which is fine because I'm not interested in what Nintendo themselves makes, but I'm happy they chose to diversify thier catalog buy helping these other games come out on thier system. That's while I buy a Wii U.

Bayo and W101 fit in perfectly as far as design philosophy goes. Platinum develops like nintendo would if they didn't care about making money.

But yeah, I guess they don't "fit in" if you're strictly judging them on initial appearance as opposed to game design.

Yeah. I wish they would quit milking the Pikmin series. I mean 3 games in the series in 14 years each with nice little changes in each is way too much.

When does the annual Assassin's Creed come out again? The 2 that are all ready on the Wii U are not enough to last me this generation. I need a PS4 to get AC Unity.

you have to understand, it's only rehashing if we're talking about graphics. Nobody gives half a shit if every open world game or linear shooter plays similarly, because people who care about game design on that level are an incredibly small minority even on gaf.

 

[Servbot24]

We'll it does have the best exclusives, you just need one of the other 3 though for the third party games though.

Just play those on PC. Most of them are only worth it once they go on Steam sales anyways.

I think PlayStation has excellent exclusives worth owning the console for too though. Not yet this gen of course, but they will.

 

[Kai Dracon]

Wii U definitely is the perfect secondary console at this point; enough software has built up + hardware Wii compatibility means it has a deceptively large and wide library.

 

[Sadist]

I don't understand this post at all. Current Rare is absolutely nothing like Nintendo, and Platinum make hardcore games for niche audiences, which is pretty much the polar opposite of Nintendo's design philosophy.

I think he means in terms of favouring gameplay first.

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

I have one and never use it.

 

[ninjablade]

hahaha what

that's pretty much all nintendo's business model is nowadays. Fire Emblem, Pikmin 3, Donkey Kong, Kid Icarus, all of these are hardcore games that are targeting a small niche.

Most of Nintendo games are focused on being family friendly, donkey Kong is not niche it was a huge franchise, and pikmin look like telly tubby toys was also family friendly, then you have Mario games. There nothing like platinum where all there games are niche and bomb.

 

[andymcc]

Most of Nintendo games are focused on being family friendly, donkey Kong is not niche it was a huge franchise, and pikmin look like telly tubby toys was also family friendly, then you have Mario games. There nothing like platinum where all there games are niche and bomb.

you're like the ninja gaiden 3 of posters.

 

[Scoops]

I'll say this: I'd hate to have the gaming taste of someone who can't find anything worth playing on the Wii U.

This. It's like what do those people like?

It's not like the WiiU's lineup isn't diverse...

 

[Verano]

Gonna get Nintendo Wii u next year for my Nintendo games. I love my ps4 and I'm content with it...but it's lonely so a Wii u would be perfect

 

[Ansatz]

I don't understand this post at all. Current Rare is absolutely nothing like Nintendo, and Platinum make hardcore games for niche audiences, which is pretty much the polar opposite of Nintendo's design philosophy.

Rare before MS; Goldeneye, Banjo-Kazooie, etc.

Platinum creates a fundamental gameplay concept and builds the entire game around that idea. They're not especially challenging to beat on normal, nor demand in depth knowledge of its gameplay systems, but getting Platinum is a difficult and satisfying experience. The level design is tight and focused, it's meant to serve gameplay and to convey mechanical information from use of clean and simple geometry. I.e. they focus on meaningful level design, not the immersive kind with uneveness and unecessary details. Several risk/reward systems that work in a similar fashion as in Nintendo titles. Every object in game serves a purpose, it's not there for cosmetic purposes. Strive to implement interactivity in the levels; cars that can be picked up used as weapons, pots containing items, extra challenges such as capturing birds (green stars in Mario), etc.

 

[ninjablade]

you're like the ninja gaiden 3 of posters.

NES OR PS3/360?

 

[Birathen]

Had it not been for Bloodborne I think I would have sold the ps4 when I sold the Xbone and doubled down on PC/WiiU. Finding god.. Uh.. Steam earlier this year was such a amazing thing.

Only going with the WiiU.. I dont know. Doable but I still think I would have needed a backup console in the end. (Had I not bought the PC)

 

[pvpness]

This thread has reminded me that people are actually serious about the idea of a "secondary console," which I've always thought was funny, and I really wish I still had my copy of P.N.03.

I can agree that the Wii U has the best exclusives of 2014. I'm really bummed out by the console industry these days though.

 

[Morfeo]

Yep, the only current-gen console worth owning for now. Has an amazing library and is completely backwards compatible with the best library last gen. Definitely a console every gamer need to own.

 

[JoJoSono]

Bayo and W101 fit in perfectly as far as design philosophy goes. Platinum develops like nintendo would if they didn't care about making money.

But yeah, I guess they don't "fit in" if you're strictly judging them on initial appearance as opposed to game design.

What is this Nintendo design philosophy you people keep mentioning without explaining. Gameplay over everything esle? That's vague and dosen't really sound like an actual style that becomes inherent to a company. I didn't know Nintendo had a monopoly on making good games that are heavily focused on gameplay.

I'm not sure how Platinum games at all feel like Nintendo games. No one was saying this at all before they actually appeared on Nintendo platforms. I didn't know Nintendo made mechanically focused and open to skill based play third person action games. That's Platinum's expertise. Making action games with deep mechanics. Even something like Vanquish has more at play then a simple "shoot your gun" gameplay. Even then this is'nt even talking about the visual styles and elements that run through out thier games. So really how do Platinum games at all feel like Nintendo games beyond wo101?

 

[fred]

That's what happens when a console releases a year before the others. Generally you also get big games coming out for it at a time when the others are going through their own post-launch droughts.

Definitely a great time to buy a Wii U...particularly if you have a wife/girlfriend and kids watching shite telly every 5 minutes and interrupting your gaming time. Don't have that problem myself though...cos I'm sad and lonely lol

Have had a Wii U since launch and been very happy with it. Will be getting a PS4 early next year too.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

EVERYBODY LOOK AT THIS BADASS. LOOK AT HIM.

It's not like that. I only would want to play Bayonetta 2 on that list, and I'm sure not everyone or the quoted person wants to play Bayonetta 2. I don't want to play many PC or PS4 games also, that's why they need a variety of games on them.

 

[Mlatador]

Definitely agree. Especially if you are an old-skool gamer or just simply a "hardcore" gamer. It has the best games out there.

 

[Man God]

I'm a lifelong Nintendo die hard...so of course I agree with this position.

That being said you could be a non die hard and still feel that way depending on genre preferences. Very few of the games I like have ended up on the PS4 so far and even fewer on the XBONE.

The PS4 should be fine by 2016 or so. Meanwhile I just don't know about the XBONE, most of the games I would enjoy on the system I could also just get on the PS4 or better yet, PC.

 

[njr]

As great as that list is it makes me think I'm part of the problem as I generally have no interest in 3rd party games on nintendo consoles.

 

[LQX]

I'll say this for my Wii U, though it probably has the least amount of games and third party support and I might not touch it for weeks on end it is my one console I have no thoughts of selling or the first party games. I sold my PS4 with no regrets and was thinking or rebuying the XB1 for the Halo Collection but I might just wait until next year when Halo 5 drops. The Wii U and PC will hold me awhile and this is from guy that has previously got all consoles and was very content.

The PS4 just does nothing for me to be honest. The Vita is more compelling to me and I actually think MS has better first party games. Plus with so many games now coming for PC with no lapse I'm having a hard time justifying getting any of those games on PS4 or XB1.

 

[nbthedude]

I'm not sure what it says about me that I look at that list and still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.

From my perspective you aren't. I've owned a Wii U since launch and it's mostly collected dust. This was the generation where I think I realized I'm just not interested in Nintendo's games anymore until they actually do something geniunely fresh with their old IP or new IP.

I bought Mario 3D World and played it for a few hours up to World 5 before I quit out of boredom. No other game on the OPs list (except Bayonetta 2) is even remotely interesting to me and I'm probably passing on Bayonetta as well.

I realize there are people for whom this system is great, but for me personally, it is absolutely the worst console I've ever owned, and that includes the Atari Jaguar. I had a blast with AvP, Tempest 2000, Doom and a few others on the Jag. Outside of a few hours of fun multiplayer with Nintendo Land at Christmas, I literally have had no fun at all with the Wii U. For me, it's still absolutely a garbage tier system.

 

[Mesoian]

Let's put it this way. You're talking out your ass.

We'll see.

 

[Pyramid head]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=134345270 there was a podcast where woman that were into gaming talk about how Bayonetta mainly appeals to woman and gay men, and, straight men were wierded out by her, so everyone has there opinion on her.

A certain type of straight man, sure. I'm happy to be the type that doesn't need to 'feel like a badass' to enjoy a game. I'm fairly certain that's exactly how Santa Monica Studios wanted me to feel when I was crushing a naked woman into a bloody paste in between some giant cogs so that Kratos could open a door. I actually felt like a bit of a cock.

 

[Mlatador]

Wii U definitely is the perfect secondary console at this point; enough software has built up + hardware Wii compatibility means it has a deceptively large and wide library.

Next to the 3DS, sure!

 

[jimi_dini]

but on Wii U ...the console brings me back to gamecube days where Nintendo's lineup is absolutely brilliant full of top quality games full of variety

Yep. Playing on Wii U feels like playing an actual console again. Hyrule Warriors 160 hours in. Not a single freeze, falling through the map and other bullshit. And they even figured out how to do DLC properly (Mario Kart 8, Pikmin 3, Hyrule Warriors). Oh console gaming, how I missed you.

Platinum make hardcore games for niche audiences, which is pretty much the polar opposite of Nintendo's design philosophy.

Super Mario Galaxy 2 spoilers, actual last level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bndgujEJSTc

Super Mario 3D World spoilers, actual last level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWcRo__SpPs

Then there is the whole Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze. Then there are the challenge levels of Pikmin 3, that are actually quite challenging. Then there is Super Luigi U, which is crazy difficult. I could go on.

Even the so called "casual" games like Kirby's Epic Yarn are quite difficult to get 100% on, because that requires mastering the game.

Nintendo games are designed so that everyone can have fun, but are also deep on a mechanical level. And thanks to so called "casual" powerup items in quite a few games, Nintendo is able to create really challenging levels without sacrificing the non-hardcore market. The so called hardcore gamer should be embarassed in case the Invincibility Leaf ever shows up (and btw. beating levels that way won't mark the level as actually beaten).

 

[RPGCrazied]

Can't wait for 2015 myself. I fear Zelda U is going to get delayed, I'm cool with that if I can get X in 2015.

 

[kaioshade]

Eh, As much as i love nintendo games and what is available for the Wii U, Nintendo is hardly the best option when they cant even be arsed to release games for it.

 

[Aurean_Mentat]

When you come down to it, each console sells on its exclusive experiences. Things you can get on that console, and nowhere else.

To someone without a good gaming PC, PS3, or 360, the PS4 and One are huge winners. There's a long list of good games out for the PS4 and One if the above thing applies to you.

If you have a PS3 / 360, the list of 'exclusive' experiences that you would get by buying an Xbox One or PS4 drops substantially. Yes, it is prettier on the One and PS4, but what if I just want to play the game? Is anyone going to seriously tell me that Dragon Age Inquisition is going to look bad on the PS3?

If you have a good gaming PC, the list of 'exclusive' experiences drops even more, as a lot of the games like Witcher 3 etc are going to get getting PC ports, thus dropping your reasons for buying a PS4/Xbox One even further.

Also, while other people can do as they like, I have learned to NEVER buy a console on hype. As the best example of this, FF Versus XIII. Yes, I'm still bitter. But I would contend that you need to buy a console based on what it does for you now, not what it can do in the future (which is never certain).

The only console that isn't really affected by what other pieces of gaming hardware you have is the Wii U and the 3DS. Both have some really good games that are available nowhere else.

With all of that in mind, for 2014, I agree that the Wii U is the console to have (and a 3DS if you can manage it).

Although really, 2014 is the year of the PS3 / 360. If you have one of those, and aren't tempted by the games on the other one that you didn't get before, still not enough reasons to upgrade yet in my opinion.

 

[FreedomFighter]

Have you played it? IMO its the best 2D Mario ever, and that's coming from one who thought that the other New games were just passable

Spieler has always had a massive disdain for SM3DW even before it came out, so him saying this doesn't surprise me. His hate generated probably the single best gif of 2013.
And right one queue:

lol

Wii U is still the only current gen console I own.

Xbone has practically nothing that I'm interested in except dddd - which they haven't supported that well and may not continue. Nothing on the horizon except Makoto Asada's shoot'em'up, which I'm not entirely clear on whether it's an xbone exclusive. I can't see myself buying one.

PS4 has nothing now, but a fair amount of interesting stuff on the horizon, so I wouldn't be surprised if I buy one in a year or two's time if things pan out well.

This is exactly where I sit right now. I only have a Wii U and a 3DS. Between the two, I have more than enough software to keep me busy. I will pick up a PS4 somewhere down the line when the library is a little more fleshed out and have no interest in the XBox One at all.

I'll say this: I'd hate to have the gaming taste of someone who can't find anything worth playing on the Wii U.

Seriously.

 

[Sadist]

Most of Nintendo games are focused on being family friendly, donkey Kong is not niche it was a huge franchise, and pikmin look like telly tubby toys was also family friendly, then you have Mario games. There nothing like platinum where all there games are niche and bomb.

What the hell is this.

 

[pvpness]

We'll see.

If you're right, I'm gonna be salty. I want project guard to be a full, focused game. I don't give a shit about the garbage looking robot game and starfox won't be 4p online co-op, so I'm drawing a blank there too.

 

[Mihos]

I have them all, but I have come to realize, I just don't like Nintendo games anymore. I am looking forward to Bayonetta and X. But that is pretty much it.

 

[sörine]

What is this Nintendo design philosophy you people keep mentioning without explaining. Gameplay over everything esle? That's vague and dosen't really sound like an actual style that becomes inherent to a company. I didn't know Nintendo had a monopoly on making good games that are heavily focused on gameplay.

I think the closest Nintendo and Platinum get in terms of design philosophy are things like endless prototyping, lavish polish and a huge emphasis of "feel" in terms of the mechanics. An insane amount of work will go into something like jumping physics or powersliding or shooting a weapon until it feels just right and is fun to do repeatedly. Nintendo and Platinum generally make pretty different kinds of games but aspects of their approach to design isn't so dissimilar.

 

[batbeg]

Had a Wii U since launch and couldn't really be any happier. I thought I'd want a PS4 day one yet here we are after almost a year and still not one game I want. Hopefully that lineup will start to appeal to me once Bloodborne hits because I'll have to buy one for that.

I think the closest Nintendo and Platinum get in terms of design philosophy are things like endless prototyping, lavish polish and a huge emphasis of "feel" in terms of the mechanics. An insane amount of work will go into something like jumping physics or powersliding or shooting a weapon until it feels just right and is fun to do repeatedly. Nintendo and Platinum generally make pretty different kinds of games but aspects of their approach to design isn't so dissimilar.

Nintendo are on such a huge different level of polish, though. I've only played W101 from Platinum but it did not have Nintendo quality polish.

 

[ryuken-d]

I'm not sure what it says about me that I look at that list and still don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.

yeah I feel you on that. the only games I ever think about missing out on are the Zelda games. that is all. It's most likely an age thing. thats the only reason I can think of.

 

[JinjoUnchained]

I'm finally getting around to Xenblade Chronicles now thanks to playing as Shulk in Smash 3DS. I see now why people are dying for the Wii U sequel! Was it confirmed for 2015?

Edit: I see a lot of "Wii U is a great second console" posts. I disagree. I'd consider Wii U the first console and PS4 the second console b/c Wii U has the games right now. Depends upon what you like, of course. But for my tastes, Wii U has games now and PS4 has a lot of potential that they haven't delivered on yet.

 

[Makonero]

yeah I feel you on that. the only games I ever think about missing out on are the Zelda games. that is all. It's most likely an age thing. thats the only reason I can think of.

Except there are plenty of us who love those games in all age brackets. "I'm too mature and old for fun" is not a legitimate reason.

Try again.

 

[GGNKovalski]

I realize I'm weird and in the minority here, but I don't really care for Nintendo's first party games. I look at that list and only Bayonetta 2 interests me and only a little. I'm glad so many are having fun with it though. The industry NEEDS a healthy, competing Nintendo.

 

[RPGCrazied]

I'm finally getting around to Xenblade Chronicles now thanks to playing as Shulk in Smash 3DS. I see now why people are dying for the Wii U sequel! Was it confirmed for 2015?

Don't know about confirmed, just said 2015. It could get delayed again though. It was suppose to be this year sometime.

 

[Sami+]

This. It's like what do those people like?

It's not like the WiiU's lineup isn't diverse...

Well right now I'm playing DRIVECLUB which is pretty fun. I'm interested in MCC since I haven't played Halo yet but sadly I don't have an XB1. I played The Walking Dead and Wolf Among Us recently which were alright, but not as good as the first season of TWD. TLoU is one of my all time favorites, alongside the first two Souls games. My friend wants me to play Dust but I find the art style repulsive so idk if that's gonna happen. Got my friend to try Hotline Miami (another of my faves) and am currently pushing him to play MGS3 (masterpiece).

Trust me dude, there's a lot to play lol.

Edit - oh and forgot to mention, Bloodborne (AKA GOTG) and MGSV are both at the top of my priority list

 

[dragonlife]

PC + Nintendo hardware = best combo.

I'm loving my Wii U and have played nothing but MH3U almost exclusively since I got it recently. And now that Bayo 2 is on the horizon, it can only get better. And THEN Smash... fuck, it's going to be great.

Will be getting a PS4 for Bloodborne eventually, though. The more the merrier.

 

[pvpness]

Except there are plenty of us who love those games in all age brackets. "I'm too mature and old for fun" is not a legitimate reason.

Try again.

I'm betting that was just a thoughtless stab in the Dark, with no offense intended. I can relate in that I've been playing video games for so long that the vast majority appear very samey to me and force a lot of disinterest by default. I couldn't get 10 hours into tropical freeze before I was bored to death, and I had to force myself to finish the last of us. I feel like the majority of the mainstream industry has been refining the same dozen games for two decades now. Which has everything to do with age and experience.