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[Azelover]

I haven't watched the docu yet. Will watch when I have time.

But let me say this about these documentaries that claim to lift the veil on reality. I agree with a lot that is usually being said. I think the media is controlled to a large degree, and there are other things we don't usually think about. But let me say this also..

I know people who have entered one(or many) of these rabbit holes and gone completely mad. I know people who eventually went on heavy anti-psychotic medication, and they continue to take them to this day. So, let's be careful. I'm not saying "don't think outside the box at all", but let's be careful please.

 

[poppabk]

Well I watched the whole thing. It was not as terrible as I was expecting I have to say. If the makers didn't seem to really believe in God and the Devil it might have been worthwhile. Pretty much every shocking secret they present is well known or at least readily available, I mean half the doc is media clips. But ultimately the whole thing is a damp squib, they just allude to a bunch of stuff like mkultra and hope you are paranoid enough to think the government is putting LSD in your water and making you watch Katy Perry videos and somehow this will achieve .... something.
It's ironic that the best part of the whole thing is some behind the scenes footage of movie stunts and the makers of the doc are proud of their bodies of work even though they believe now that they were the works of Satan.

 

[I Stalk Alone]

People will get the wrong message about this documentary. Mostly because of the editing. The tell a vision stuff should not have been in there....

 

[12Goblins]

Did I not just say to stop quoting me and replying with bullshit?

Of course we can't all become experts in everything. That's why we often refer to the expertise of others. Of course some experts might be charlatans or frauds, or maybe they've genuinely made a mistake and are wrong, but that's the best system we have. Nobody is saying it's perfect, but to degrade science to being "just another religion" is fucking laughable.

Science will eventually give us a solution to coronavirus. A bunch of fat white blokes with goatee beards driving their gas-guzzling retard-mobiles into city centres and standing around in black sunglasses holding shotguns while protesting what the science tells us is the best thing to do cos "only god decides when my time is up" really isn't helping. I'm sure when we have a vaccine, they'll be the same mongs spreading "it turns frogs gay and gives kids autism!" scaremongering shite to fellow members of their low IQ Facebook groups, but that's what happens when your ability to think critically has been destroyed by overdosing on Alex Jones "BIG BRAIN GENIUS PILLS".

This. conspiracy theorists are just projecting the fact they have been brainwashed by this kind of garbage onto everybody else. quite painful

The fact that they badly want to believe anybody is censoring this documentary to keep people suppressed tells you everything you need to know. Anybody can watch this...it's just fucking retarded.

 

[Tesseract]

This. conspiracy theorists are just projecting the fact they have been brainwashed by this kind of garbage onto everybody else. quite painful

The fact that they badly want to believe anybody is censoring this documentary to keep people suppressed tells you everything you need to know. Anybody can watch this...it's just fucking retarded.

 

[poppabk]

This. conspiracy theorists are just projecting the fact they have been brainwashed by this kind of garbage onto everybody else. quite painful

The fact that they badly want to believe anybody is censoring this documentary to keep people suppressed tells you everything you need to know. Anybody can watch this...it's just fucking retarded.

There is a funny point at 50:34 when he is listing Hollywood demagogues and he is about to say Tom Cruise but instead he just gets the 'T' out and then he obviously thought better of it and jumped straight to Will Smith.

 

[SiteSeer]

News also.

who is it that said that the news are billionaires telling millionaires what to say to everybody else?

 

[Tesseract]

who is it that said that the news are billionaires telling millionaires what to say to everybody else?

prolly your dad

 

[Lupin3]

but I can see the logical pathway someone can arrive to that conclusion when they are presented with evidence that NASA continuously lies about its endeavors in space, that NASA in hebrew means "to deceive" and that NASA alongside the CIA were started by nazis after WW2.

I'm sorry, but there's zero logic in that. It's humorous, rather. But I guess that's for another thread.

 

[cosmic wizard]

8 Million views in a week and it does not come up when you search by title :/

We need to get our heads out of the sand.



"unhinged crazyness"

 

[Max_Po]

Satanic worship and the Whole PizzaGate is real. It is easy to understand that people with $$$ do whatever they want.

 

[sol_bad]

The point is that people CANNOT become experts in CC, or the shape of the earth, so they revert to trusting authorities blindly and taking a side.

So it's better to trust Youtubers who never even finished university?

 

[Tesseract]

imagine thinking going to university matters in this nightmare verse

 

[munancho]

"Don't believe everything you see!"

"Except this. Believe all of this"

 

[Elcid]

Fuck the government. All of them. That is all.

 

[HellforLeather]

Well so I started watching it and I'm not even 10 minutes into....whatever the fuck this is, and they are talking about demons. This is the type of shit your crazy aunt that nobody talks to anymore posts on facebook.

Couple minutes later the guy is talking about "reading articles" and "searching blogs" trying to find "the truth"

 

[Rookje]

This documentary was the most boomer, Qanon thing ever.

There are some shady things the government does with Hollywood, especially historically (talking about WW2 propoaganda, the witch hunt for communists etc.) but it certainly doesn't' have anything to do with some occult conspiracy. Lady Gaga and other celebrities are just attracted to it because its "edgy" and interesting, and that's what sells. In fact, symbolism and teasing actual conspiracy theorists actually helps sell (free marketing). The whole "Television = Tell A Vision" and Hollywood coming from hollys that were used in the occult is just laughable. You can trace back anything to the occult if you try hard enough.

Instead of watching this, please look up Adam Curtis'' documentaries. Way more informative and about real world circumstances.

 

[HellforLeather]

"What do we have in houses? We have these black boxes. What are they called? TVs. But if you stop and say the word: Tell-a-vision. Tell a vision! And when you turn on that 'tell a vision' what do you get? What's the first thing that pops up? A list of channels. And when you turn on those channels, what's on those channels? Programming. They are programming you!"

Just got to this part. Yeah I'm done.

Crack pots sprinkling things that are true into the rest of their utter horseshit to convince rubes that everything they say is accurate is a very old trick.

 

[juliushandle]

I only liked the 20 mins with the Pizzagate journalist, the other 60 mins was worthless.

 

[poppabk]

I only liked the 20 mins with the Pizzagate journalist, the other 60 mins was worthless.

That was the worst part, especially all the selective post hoc justification for why it wasn't bullshit.

 

[The Incarnation]

Satanic cults? And yet there's an image of torture and death on the thumbnail. I wonder who has killed more people throughout history,

 

[Strife In a Teacup]

You can see the curvature of the earth with your own eyes.

 

[12Goblins]

Satanic worship and the Whole PizzaGate is real. It is easy to understand that people with $$$ do whatever they want.

I'm making note of everyone who likes this post.

 

[12Goblins]

I only liked the 20 mins with the Pizzagate journalist, the other 60 mins was worthless.

I was excited when she came on because she seemed credible but she turns out to be bat shit too. There are code words in this email therefore child sex ring. What?

WHO EATS PIZZA FOR AN HOUR??? was her very compelling argument

 

[cosmic wizard]

I remember when it was considered "bat shit" to tell the truth about Jimmy Savile...

 

[synchronicity]

I think this is a really important point and it's something that for most of my life, I never really paid that much attention to.

For me, that changed a lot when I watched a Christopher Hitchens video where he talked about "establishing first principles", so, for example, if a flat Earther tells you that the Earth is flat, how do you actually know that they are wrong? What evidence do you have? It's easy to say "well, obviously the Earth is not flat", but if you had to actually argue your case against someone who believed it was, how good a job could you really do?

Some people have misinterpreted that in various ways, but it basically means that if you have a strong position on any particular stance, you should be able to back it up, and you should feel confident in the sources you're using to do so.

Most people consistently claim "knowledge" when what they are actually doing is supporting hearsay as unequivocal truth without any sort of direct experience or confirmation. Real knowledge is an incredibly rare (and limited) thing.

 

[manfestival]

While none of this stuff is sadly shocking or surprising to me at this point. There were some interesting tidbits of information from this video that I got after watching it. The first part of it seemed fringe but the video also provided compelling evidence. The video isn't trying to convince the viewer to believe in God but the video is trying to inform the viewer of the end result and how this is tied with the occult. Just meant as a thinking piece for sure. It reminds me of all the times I watched and rolled my eyes about those illuminati occult videos about the super bowl and etc.

 

[Nymphae]

There are code words in this email therefore child sex ring. What?

It's odd, when I search the podesta wikileaks for Pizza now I get like 4 results that clearly are not being used in a coded manner at all, but there were a lot more previously.

You don't find the language odd in any way?

I think that's a legitimate question. What does "get pizza for an hour" mean, have you ever heard anyone talk about a food order like that?

 

[Thaedolus]

It's odd, when I search the podesta wikileaks for Pizza now I get like 4 results that clearly are not being used in a coded manner at all, but there were a lot more previously.

You don't find the language odd in any way?

I think that's a legitimate question. What does "get pizza for an hour" mean, have you ever heard anyone talk about a food order like that?

Have you ever had autocorrect fuck yo something you mean to say? Like put “fuck yo” when I meant to put “fuck up” just now.

 

[EverydayBeast]

I agree 10000% that Hollywood tries to control their fans that’s what you do to retain your fans

 

[Nymphae]

Have you ever had autocorrect fuck yo something you mean to say? Like put “fuck yo” when I meant to put “fuck up” just now.

Sure, it could be, but it also might not be. No statements on record to clarify. Assume the best I guess despite tons of weird shit in this guy's background.

 

[poppabk]

It's odd, when I search the podesta wikileaks for Pizza now I get like 4 results that clearly are not being used in a coded manner at all, but there were a lot more previously.

You don't find the language odd in any way?

I think that's a legitimate question. What does "get pizza for an hour" mean, have you ever heard anyone talk about a food order like that?

I mean it's odd phrasing but it could just be short hand for let's meet for an hour and eat some pizza while doing so. It could also be code for a consensual affair with an adult, smoking illegal Cuban cigars pretty much anything you might want to obfuscate. The doc doesn't present any evidence that predates this scandal that links 'pizza' as a code word for anything. Then after arbitrarily considering 'pizza' a well known code word, they instantly flip it and now it is also literally means pizza and links to a pizza parlor.

 

[Tesseract]

hay guise, lezza get some pizza, bring yer specially coded hankies

eat da pain

14 fish

y0L0

 

[Thaedolus]

Sure, it could be, but it also might not be. No statements on record to clarify. Assume the best I guess despite tons of weird shit in this guy's background.

I think most people don’t feel the need to correct the record on a typo for pizza plans because they don’t assume normal people will interpret them as secret pedophile plans.

 

[Nymphae]

I think most people don’t feel the need to correct the record on a typo for pizza plans because they don’t assume normal people will interpret them as secret pedophile plans.

I don't know why it's assumed to be a typo, has he stated as much or are we just running any plausible defence to own conspiritards? The paintings that him and his brother own alone make me wonder about them, here's a painting from one of the artists Podesta's brother adorns his home with

Nothing to see here, just eccentric art lovers.

 

[12Goblins]

It's odd, when I search the podesta wikileaks for Pizza now I get like 4 results that clearly are not being used in a coded manner at all, but there were a lot more previously.

You don't find the language odd in any way?

I think that's a legitimate question. What does "get pizza for an hour" mean, have you ever heard anyone talk about a food order like that?

right, but there's a difference between saying "there's coded language in this e-mail" to saying "this coded language means pedophile sex ring".

one is sound and the other is a baseless conspiracy theory. another sound statement is: "its possible this coded language is referring to a high ranking child sex ring" -- so why not just say that? Because these people don't care about the truth; they are bullshitters

 

[Nymphae]

"its possible this coded language is referring about a child sex ring" -- so why not say that? Because these people don't care about the truth; they are bullshitters

I agree, they should frame it in a more investigative way rather than state it as a fact. I think these are very interesting lines of inquiry.

 

[Thaedolus]

I don't know why it's assumed to be a typo, has he stated as much or are we just running any plausible defence to own conspiritards? The paintings that him and his brother own alone make me wonder about them, here's a painting from one of the artists Podesta's brother adorns his home with


Nothing to see here, just eccentric art lovers.

What, creepy artwork is supposed to convince me this guy was using pizza as a codeword in an e-mail about a pedophile ring in an actual pizza shop rather than it's being leveraged to support what's a stupid conspiracy theory? These are the smartest guys in the world that still put their orders for little boys in pizza shops in e-mails?

Maybe Podesta is a creep, maybe he likes little boys, I dunno, but nothing's convinced me there was anything to pizzagate other than a bunch of retards with too much time on their hands trying to pin something on the "other side." If you want to talk about Epstein, though, at least you have witness testimony about what he did and can place the Clintons in his jet. Pizzagate seems made up out of whole cloth

 

[Tesseract]

not whole cloth, hankey

 

[Nymphae]

What, creepy artwork

I'm not drawing any firm conclusions from the artwork, but if I knew any childless old men with that kind of artwork in their home, I'd have some questions. I find it weird how people handwave this shit away.

 

[Tesseract]

if I knew anyone with that kind of artwork in their home, I'd have some questions. I find it weird how people handwave this shit away.

 

[Thaedolus]

I'm not drawing any firm conclusions from the artwork, but if I knew any childless old men with that kind of artwork in their home, I'd have some questions. I find it weird how people handwave this shit away.

I didn't handwave it, I said maybe he's a creep and likes little boys. I'd say that's a far cry from believing anything about pizzagate when its origins are from a Russian intelligence operation front like Wikileaks. Also, I'm granting that it's true that he's got the artwork you're claiming he has even though I've never seen it before or seen it attached to him. Like everything surrounding that whole pile of shit, I'd probably question the credibility of the sources, given the state disinformation actors at play.

 

[Nymphae]

Also, I'm granting that it's true that he's got the artwork you're claiming he has even though I've never seen it before or seen it attached to him. Like everything surrounding that whole pile of shit, I'd probably question the credibility of the sources, given the state disinformation actors at play.

From Time.com

On the wall in his office at Hillary Clinton’s Brooklyn headquarters, campaign chairman John Podesta has an oil painting on loan from his lobbyist brother, who is an avid art collector. The image shows two men hunched over a dining room table, bearing knives and forks. On the table lays a man in a suit, who looks vaguely like Podesta. “It’s better to be the guy with the fork,” Podesta quips to his colleagues, if they ask about the image, “than the guy on the table.”

Fake news? No, but no big deal I'm sure. It's just a painting, not proof of a child sex ring.

Brother also enjoys creepy art. From the magazine:

Why the pizza reference? Seems like an odd thing to say honestly. Note the stuffed animals next to the bed. This man has no children. Here's some of the other paintings by the artist he has in his home.

Another from a Washington Post Article

Folks attending a house tour in the Lake Barcroft neighborhood in Falls Church earlier this year got an eyeful when they walked into a bedroom at the Podesta residence hung with multiple color pictures by Katy Grannan, a photographer known for documentary-style pictures of naked teenagers in their parents' suburban homes.

"They were horrified," Heather recalls, a grin spreading across her face.

Fake news I'm sure. And even if true, does it really matter? Probably nothing.

Ties to spirit cooking lady, who also seems to have a thing for young naked children, who is totally not a real Satanist and is just in this for the lulz

You've apparently never seen any of this, but now that you have, it's no big deal I'm sure. This doesn't prove Pizzagate I hear you saying. No, it doesn't. It makes me want to know a lot more about what these people are doing that doesn't get shown to the public.

 

[GreenAlien]

I mean it's odd phrasing but it could just be short hand for let's meet for an hour and eat some pizza while doing so. It could also be code for a consensual affair with an adult, smoking illegal Cuban cigars pretty much anything you might want to obfuscate. The doc doesn't present any evidence that predates this scandal that links 'pizza' as a code word for anything. Then after arbitrarily considering 'pizza' a well known code word, they instantly flip it and now it is also literally means pizza and links to a pizza parlor.

Well.. urbandictionary.com has an entry linking cheese pizza to child pornography dated 2010 and that is probably information coming from reality TV show "To Catch a Predator 2004" so.. maybe not totally arbitrarily, it is at least predating pizzagate..

There is some other stuff in those emails, though, like that strange line about playing dominos on cheese instead of pasta or about the pool party where young children are transported to as "entertainment" for the adult guests and the blog where those same children are advertised with "spend time with her online raw & uncut"....

There are harmless explanations for most if not all of it, but when a lot of "coincidences" come together, one should start asking questions.. blindly assuming the worst is wrong, but just dismissing it is equally wrong.


I have read something along the lines of "like most conspiracies about aliens and ghosts, pizzagate can't be proven false" and we should best just forget about it.
Which is completely wrong. A proper investigation should easily be able uncover whether something is going on or not. Ask them politely to explain the more cryptic emails, have an experienced CPS psychologist talk with those children, that should be enough to clear most of it up.
Seriously, for non-high profile people, even an anonymous claim of maltreatment can be enough to get you into the crosshairs of CPS and trigger an investigation, yet this warrants no reaction?

It's strange that even people who are likely to support "believe all women, even without any proof" that don't care at all for "innocent until proven guilty" are so ready to dismiss all of pizzagate completely.


Yes, there is no proof and since it is all conjecture, likely wrong. But that conjecture isn't based on nothing at all. Maybe there is no great conspiracy involving satanic cults & cannibalism, maybe there is no big pedo ring, maybe there is just a handful of children being abused by their family & close friends.. or hopefully not even that.
If it is nothing, great! But authorities/CPS should have really looked into this or explained in detail why they think it is not worth an investigation at all..

I mean.. imagine all those "clues" would have been found following a leak of Trump emails. That would have been enough for Democrat Congress to call for an official investigation and try to impeach him, no? It's not like they had any evidence for russia collusion or ukrainegate..

 

[Nymphae]

I mean.. imagine all those "clues" would have been found following a leak of Trump emails

Plus the artwork, you would never hear the end of it.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

Anything new beside the usual jew, gay, secret society conspiracy? Any words on scientology?

 

[Macapala]

GTA made me a killer.

Mate, the only thing you are a killer of is your own sex life.

 

[Xyrmellon]

More than a little ironic that the same time this thing blows up on YouTube is when Microsoft releases that HoloLens ad featuring Marina Abramovic. They had to take it down because so many people complained.

 

[juliushandle]

More than a little ironic that the same time this thing blows up on YouTube is when Microsoft releases that HoloLens ad featuring Marina Abramovic. They had to take it down because so many people complained.

Not just taken down, completely wiped it off the face of the internet. I can't find it anywhere.

 

[V4skunk]

I watched about half an hour of it too. This stunt mans "research" involved him watching Youtube videos?
The "documentary" is trying to create this great conspiracy theory but everything it talks about so far is information available to the public.

Wikileaks you sausage. Podesta files. Pizza gate.