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Owarimonogatari [OT] Araragi's got 99 problems, but the vampire ain't one.
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It really sucks that so many people are watching this arc before Kizu. So many important factors from Kizu playing into the story here. Episode showing up and tossing that cross around is also getting me really excited for all action from Kizu that we'll get to see animated soon.
It would've helped if SHAFT would've finished Kizu at some point
I remember them announcing it shortly after Bake and we're still waiting on it. But well, other than that we already got most important points from the 1 minute montage at the start of bake and from the context of the show thus far.
It's been fan translated forever but hopefully this leads to the ones that aren't translated coming out if enough of us buy it. Pre-ordered my copy months ago.
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Kanbaru learned a thing or two about the power of closure from that time Gahara-san ethered her. I really liked the animation during that whole segment.
Izuko and Episode picking up the bag of porn with books featuring their likenesses was pretty great.
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Kanbaru learned a thing or two about the power of closure from that time Gahara-san ethered her. I really liked the animation during that whole segment.
Izuko and Episode picking up the bag of porn with books featuring their likenesses was pretty great.
Cornbread78
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I let out a good laugh when Araragi turned around and they were reading the books, lol
Episode's smile and Izuko's frown tells you pretty much all you need to know visually. She was disgusted, and he was amused.
Cornbread78
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I completely forgot about how funny this sequence was as well:
MetroidPrimeRib
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Owarimonogatari 12 END
That beginning conversation between Araragi and Senjougahara...I'm not sure whether it reinforces their relationship or points to it ending.
It was when Araragi got that photo of Hanekawa that I noticed what he was wearing now and what he was wearing in Tsubasa Tiger and pieced all of it together because I had forgotten. Gaen was really hitting him with some heavy shit - asking him if he loved Shinobu, Senjougahara or Hanekawa more. That's like the ultimate question, why you dropping that on the poor dude now?
At the end, Araragi was walking to get the shit beaten out of him by Nadeko right? Dude weren't you just saying that you should'y rely on Shinobu's power?
Owari was great on the story front, which I guess is to be expected now. Zoku Owari when?
People waiting for Kizu be like
That beginning conversation between Araragi and Senjougahara...I'm not sure whether it reinforces their relationship or points to it ending.
It was when Araragi got that photo of Hanekawa that I noticed what he was wearing now and what he was wearing in Tsubasa Tiger and pieced all of it together because I had forgotten. Gaen was really hitting him with some heavy shit - asking him if he loved Shinobu, Senjougahara or Hanekawa more. That's like the ultimate question, why you dropping that on the poor dude now?
At the end, Araragi was walking to get the shit beaten out of him by Nadeko right? Dude weren't you just saying that you should'y rely on Shinobu's power?
Owari was great on the story front, which I guess is to be expected now. Zoku Owari when?
No, Nadeko's matter had already been solved for a month and a half or so, at that point.
March 25 - April 7: Koyomi Vamp (Kizumonogatari)
April 29 - May 7: Tsubasa Family (Nekomonogatari (Kuro))
May 8: Hitagi Crab (Bakemonogatari)
May 14: Mayoi Maimai (Bakemonogatari)
May 26 - 27: Suruga Monkey (Bakemonogatari)
June 11 - 12: Nadeko Snake (Bakemonogatari)
June 13 - 14: Tsubasa Cat (Bakemonogatari)
July 29 - 30: Karen Bee (Nisemonogatari)
August 14: Tsukihi Phoenix (Nisemonogatari)
August 20 - 21: Mayoi Jiangshi (Kabukimonogatari)
August 21 - 24: Tsubasa Tiger (Nekomonogatari (Shiro))
August 21 - 23: Shinobu Time (Onimonogatari)
August 23 - 24: Shinobu Mail (Owarimonogatari)
October 24 (23?): Ōgi Formula (Owarimonogatari)
October 25 (24?): Sodachi Riddle (Owarimonogatari)
October 27 (26?): Sodachi Lost (Owarimonogatari)
October 31 - November 2: Nadeko Medusa (Otorimonogatari)
January 1 - February 1: Hitagi End (Koimonogatari)
February 13: Yotsugi Doll (Tsukimonogatari)
-> March 13 <-
April 9 - 20: Suruga Devil (Hanamonogatari)
Not so fast. Owarimonogatari isn't over (they've only adapted two books out of three), and there's also Koyomimonogatari before that.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Ok. This timeline is confusing.
Yeah I know there is one Owari book left but unless they do a Tsuki/Hana thing (which is possible) I would think they would just include it in a season 2 and call it Zoku Owari
The dialogue at the beginning and the whole issue about love and lovers works even better with Tsubasa Tiger. No wonder Koyomi had such an easy time rejecting Hanekawa, he was just lectured about the issue of letting people live in pain by not getting properly send off.
More than about Ougi I am currently intrigued by whatever Gaen is playing.
Bakemonogatari, Episode 09, Nadeko Snake Part 1
Monogatari SS, Episode 5, Tsubasa Tiger Part 5
Monogatari SS, Episode 5, Tsubasa Tiger Part 5
Monogatari SS, Episode 25, Hitagi End Part 5
Monogatari SS, Episode 25, Hitagi End Part 5
Monogatari SS, Episode 24, Hitagi End Part 4
Monogatari SS, Episode 24, Hitagi End Part 4
More than about Ougi I am currently intrigued by whatever Gaen is playing.
I had thought he was going to get his ass beat by Nadeko as well until I realized the timeline didn't fit. I guess he's going to visit someone else.
Whatever Ougi and Gaen are (separately) scheming is the most interesting mystery left to be unraveled at this point. She needs swords for some reason and Ougi doesn't seem that concerned in any case (unless she is concerned and wanted confirmation that Shinobu didn't eat the armor).
I liked this episode a lot and this has been a very good season overall. It's a shame the next arc isn't immediately starting but I guess we'll have Koyomimonogatari shorts soon enough.
Oh and I got my copy of Kizu. It seems well translated from what I've read so far (admittedly not a lot because I'm so busy) and I like the new cover art. It's nice that one is finally available in English after so many years.
Edit: Lest I forget, the drama version of Okitegami Kyoko no Biboroku (adapted from novels by the same author as the -gatari series) has now finished its run and is available out there subtitled. I enjoyed it a lot.
It points to it ending eventually due to her much shorter lifespan I suppose. Otherwise they're still together in college from what we know from Hanamono.
Thanks for these as always.
Whatever Ougi and Gaen are (separately) scheming is the most interesting mystery left to be unraveled at this point. She needs swords for some reason and Ougi doesn't seem that concerned in any case (unless she is concerned and wanted confirmation that Shinobu didn't eat the armor).
I liked this episode a lot and this has been a very good season overall. It's a shame the next arc isn't immediately starting but I guess we'll have Koyomimonogatari shorts soon enough.
Oh and I got my copy of Kizu. It seems well translated from what I've read so far (admittedly not a lot because I'm so busy) and I like the new cover art. It's nice that one is finally available in English after so many years.
Edit: Lest I forget, the drama version of Okitegami Kyoko no Biboroku (adapted from novels by the same author as the -gatari series) has now finished its run and is available out there subtitled. I enjoyed it a lot.
It points to it ending eventually due to her much shorter lifespan I suppose. Otherwise they're still together in college from what we know from Hanamono.
Thanks for these as always.
MetroidPrimeRib
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I guess Yotsugi being in his house should've told me it was after Tsukimono but all the white snow and the snow on the winding river made me think it was Nadeko.
Anyone else find it kind of odd that Yotsugi didn't really think Ougi was especially dangerous?
Anyone else find it kind of odd that Yotsugi didn't really think Ougi was especially dangerous?
There wouldn't be a dire need for Kokoro Watari, there are probably dozens of specialists who can kill apparitions. The way it was mentioned I think she's eyeing Yume-Watari to revive... something.
Regarding Tsukimonogatari... it's definitely after Tsuki, because only after that story Yotsugi stayed at the Araragi house. So the purpose of his visit at the shrine is probably connected to a part of the story we didn't see yet.
Whatever she is, hardly anyone questions her, but we got a dialogue with Shinbou after Shinbou Time that showed that Araragi is aware. This combined with his reaction here seems to me like he is telling Ougi all that stuff for some specific purpose.
Regarding Tsukimonogatari... it's definitely after Tsuki, because only after that story Yotsugi stayed at the Araragi house. So the purpose of his visit at the shrine is probably connected to a part of the story we didn't see yet.
thats exactly it
Owarimonogatari 12
That was sooo good. Senjougahara, Yotsugi and Ougi in one episode, all of them having conversations with Aragi. Also, that's like the first time that Ougi seemed... good? I'm not sure if this is the right word to use... She seemed to actually care and warn Arararagi for Gaen. Gaen is really similar to Ougi but on the same time she's totally different. The easiest comparison is their mottos, that Ougi knows nothing while Gaen know everything. It seems that Ougi vs Gaen is going to happen soon. And based on Ougi vs Hanekawa, it will be godlike. Talking about Gaen, I think this was the first time she was surprised, considering how Araragi won. Unless, she was acting... which is extremely possible.... Ugh, fuck Gaen.
#TeamOugi
That's quite intriguing.
That was sooo good. Senjougahara, Yotsugi and Ougi in one episode, all of them having conversations with Aragi. Also, that's like the first time that Ougi seemed... good? I'm not sure if this is the right word to use... She seemed to actually care and warn Arararagi for Gaen. Gaen is really similar to Ougi but on the same time she's totally different. The easiest comparison is their mottos, that Ougi knows nothing while Gaen know everything. It seems that Ougi vs Gaen is going to happen soon. And based on Ougi vs Hanekawa, it will be godlike. Talking about Gaen, I think this was the first time she was surprised, considering how Araragi won. Unless, she was acting... which is extremely possible.... Ugh, fuck Gaen.
#TeamOugi
That's quite intriguing.
SliceSabre
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Owarimonogatari END
I honestly felt bad for the guy here. He wasn't really a villain in my eyes, just a rival who couldn't let go of the past and wasn't given the closure he needed till the very end.
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I honestly felt bad for the guy here. He wasn't really a villain in my eyes, just a rival who couldn't let go of the past and wasn't given the closure he needed till the very end.
Cornbread78
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Damn good finale, but still so many questions remain. Do they even have an official ending to the series? I would love for them to rearrange all the arcs in all the different series, so we can watch it with a consistent continual timeline to fully grasp everything. Either way, it was great seeing the best girl again, even for the 3 mins or so, as well as Shinobu for a moment, but yeah GREAT show, but do much still missing.
Can't believe a new monogatari season is over already. I was surprised to have crab call all of a sudden but it was a nice call that eased the tension. It still hit home the topic of relationships and being special for other people. The fight was surprising as you're so used to seeing Araragi lose them each time but he got some help from Meme. I feel bad for the samurai guy but at least Shinobu said goodbye to him. There are still many answers left to answer but it looks like we're heading into some kind of end game. Boy was Ononoki super cute this episode.
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Kinda. Owarimonogatari (more precisely the third volume that hasn't been adapted yet) arguably is the end of the series (i.e. the end of Koyomi's story).
Zoku-Owarimonogatari is more or less fan service, and the Off Season seems to be spin-offs about other characters.
Ever since seeing the ending to Tsubasa Tiger, I was so curious to see what events in Araragi's life led to him showing up like this:
Feels like it's been forever, but we've finally seen it come full circle and I love how everything came together. Only thing is his outfit doesn't exactly match.
Shaft animated Tsubasa Tiger before Shinobu Mail was even written, so some inconsistencies (especially of the visual kind) were to be expected.
It's still not as bad as when they elaborated on the events of the Golden Week in Tsubasa Cat before Tsubasa Family was written (and ended up contradicting their version).
R_thanatos
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Excellent episode , ties things in a brillant way ... But there is much that we're still missing IMO.
If i'm not confused , after those events , Gaen gave araragi the scroll that nadeko will steal , right ? The reason might be just that gaen wants to make shinobu the next purifier ( or at least wanted to , since ougi messed up with that plan ) but i feel like we're missing a part of the story.
I mean the appearance of araragi at the end of the duel and when he appeared with front of hanekawa is quite different , like if there was another fight afterwards.
Maybe it was a fight for the armor ? for the rest of the remains ? It's silly that araragi AFTER the warning from hanekawa isn't wary of ougi , especially considering her previous role in the other mess. I hope that the missing parts are the key to explain araragi actions.
Ononoki was listeing to the conversation, too . Was she listening in order to protect araragi should something had happenned in the room ? i can't help but think that so many thing are missing to get to the finale. I hope it's going to be glorious.
If i'm not confused , after those events , Gaen gave araragi the scroll that nadeko will steal , right ? The reason might be just that gaen wants to make shinobu the next purifier ( or at least wanted to , since ougi messed up with that plan ) but i feel like we're missing a part of the story.
I mean the appearance of araragi at the end of the duel and when he appeared with front of hanekawa is quite different , like if there was another fight afterwards.
Maybe it was a fight for the armor ? for the rest of the remains ? It's silly that araragi AFTER the warning from hanekawa isn't wary of ougi , especially considering her previous role in the other mess. I hope that the missing parts are the key to explain araragi actions.
Ononoki was listeing to the conversation, too . Was she listening in order to protect araragi should something had happenned in the room ? i can't help but think that so many thing are missing to get to the finale. I hope it's going to be glorious.
Could you elaborate? Been thinking of rewatching all of Hanekawa's arcs lately, so I'd like to know!
It's not a scroll its a ofuda, a paper talisman with magical traits. Look into my screenshot barrages from past seasons on the last pages. They state directly in Koimonogatari that Gaen gave it to Araragi who was supposed to feed it to Shinobou. He did however refuse and Ougi used Nadeko to get the Talisman in Nadeko Medusa out of Araragis house and eat it. This wasn't Gaens plan, but she was indifferent since she only needed some god at the shrine, doesn't matter who. Shinobu was just the best candidate because she already was a god at some time.
Hanekawa then pushed Senjougahara into calling Kaiki by stating that she would go oversees, who in turn solved the situation against Gaens will. So no, Gaen was fine with the situation.
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Regarding Ougi I am pretty sure that she has some supernatural suggestion thing going on. People often start to question her, but go with it on the spot as soon as she suggest that everything is as it should be. See her gender or family to Kanbaru and her everything during the Sodachi arcs with Araragi. Although he was shown knowing more in secret in Shinobu Time.
Only one with clarity is Hanekawa. See both her duel during Sodachi Lost and her asking Kaiki about Oshinos family.
R_thanatos
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You're right it's an ofuda , not a scroll .. messed the right word because i was trying to put my thoughts on paper and messed up.
That much was clear.; my only question is : Did something happen after that fight before the pairing was restored ? Araragi appearing in front of hanakawa is the same night, so he got his powers back ( fully ) and i'm wondering if araragi was hiding things on purpose or if he was straight forward.
Regarding ougi .. it's clear that her premise is nonsense , she claim to know everything about araragi , yet araragi has to tell her how things happenned.
I also do believe in the supernatural suggestion part but maybe she's limited to 1 person at the time. The fact that hanekawa seems unaffected , nor the fact that she didn't use it on other characters seems to indicate that maybe there are condition for it to work ?
Who knows ?
That much was clear.; my only question is : Did something happen after that fight before the pairing was restored ? Araragi appearing in front of hanakawa is the same night, so he got his powers back ( fully ) and i'm wondering if araragi was hiding things on purpose or if he was straight forward.
Regarding ougi .. it's clear that her premise is nonsense , she claim to know everything about araragi , yet araragi has to tell her how things happenned.
I also do believe in the supernatural suggestion part but maybe she's limited to 1 person at the time. The fact that hanekawa seems unaffected , nor the fact that she didn't use it on other characters seems to indicate that maybe there are condition for it to work ?
Who knows ?
I don't know about the gap between the duel and him getting to Hanekawa. I spotted nothing of Kanbaru in the later parts of Tsubasa Tiger and Araragi was at some point at home and reas Hanekawas letter. There could've been something inbetween, but I don't know. I don't even know when the pairing was restored and if Araragi actually had the vampire abilities. Not always easy since you can't take stuff at face value. Was he actually on the roof or was this just how the distressed, bleeding Hanekawa perceived it. A hero arriving at the last second.
Ougi definitly doesn't know everything. After all she was looking for Hachikuji way after Araragi released her.
Ougi definitly doesn't know everything. After all she was looking for Hachikuji way after Araragi released her.
R_thanatos
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No way i can see araragi arriving in time if he didn't have his habilities back. Why would they put the restoration of the pairing for later , anyway?
Going by araragi words in this episode , kanbaru went to see karen , THEN went to see senjougahara. Considering she was asked by her beloved sempai , who know what might have happenned ?
I'm not saying something happenned, but considering how thing can be complicated , maybe something did indeed happen.
ougi doesn't know everything ( about arararagi ), but during sodachi lost , she definitely claimed that. And this is by itself source of concern.
Going by araragi words in this episode , kanbaru went to see karen , THEN went to see senjougahara. Considering she was asked by her beloved sempai , who know what might have happenned ?
I'm not saying something happenned, but considering how thing can be complicated , maybe something did indeed happen.
ougi doesn't know everything ( about arararagi ), but during sodachi lost , she definitely claimed that. And this is by itself source of concern.
I'm pretty sure we're not missing anything. See above: Shinobu Mail hadn't been written yet by the time Shaft animated Tsubasa Tiger, so they didn't really know what had happened to him. Just that, at that point, he had the blade, his clothes were torn, and he was missing a shoe.
Ever since Nisemonogatari, Shaft has been incredibly faithful to the text of the novels (that is to say, they may cut some stuff out, but they don't rephrase anything). But they took quite a few liberties back when they adapted Bakemonogatari, and the way they handled the references to the events of the Golden Week is a good example of that.
The original novel actually said very little about what happened exactly (basically, Tsubasa had a first sawari neko episode, and Shinobu helped out) and relied quite a bit on Koyomi's narration. Shaft probably thought that wouldn't play well on screen, and came up with direct dialogue where the novel used more ambiguous indirect dialogue, an actual scene where a possessed Tsubasa in on the hunt and eventually stopped by Shinobu... But then, Nisio wrote Nekomonogatari (Kuro), that is to say his own account of the Golden Week incident, and it ended up contradicting Shaft's version here and there (different dialogue, different confrontation with Tsubasa).
Note that the Nekomonogatari (Shiro) novel said the sword "flew in/fell from the night sky", but nothing about Koyomi standing on a roof like that.
We don't really know how long it took. Could've been hours Araragi needed to get to Hanekawa.
Don't take everything people claim in this anime at face value, especially if it's blanket statements. It's like Gaen claiming that she knows everything. They both surely know a lot and seem to know everything on occasion, but I am sure they do not.
Ah, this is interesting. Well, I guess it really is Hanekawas unreliable narrator at this moment of great emotion and pain and her appreciation for Araragi.
The duel took place at 8 PM, and when Koyomi showed up, Tsubasa remarked that Hitagi and her father were probably already in bed. So it looks like it took some time indeed.
Also, Suruga left right after Tsubasa sent that picture... and somehow missed her anyway? Those three locations must be pretty far apart. Then again, if everybody in town has cathedral-sized bathrooms...
Well, mostly Shaft extrapolating from what little they had, I think, but yeah, I guess you could also chalk it up to Tsubasa being biased when it comes to Koyomi.
R_thanatos
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My problem is that both characters are confident enough to say that.
I mean we've seen plenty of characters that are quite high level ( kaiki , hanekawa , oshino ) but none of them , despite their great habilities were THAT confident to claim those words.
Even kaiki , with always his poker face on , never manage to get to this level.
If you can say that , you're FINAL BOSS level.
This is a bold claim, the moment when one of them won't know will be glorious.. and i hope it'll happen ASAP.
Razgriz-Specter
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So do we know when the next part of the series is coming?
KenjiGlove
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There's Koyomimonogatari coming up next season (January 9 IIRC) although I've heard that those are just a bunch of short stories so don't expect too much of it.
Not sure if we already got a concrete announcement on when they're gonna air the next tree Owarimonogatari arcs but I'd figure that well hear from them sooner rather than later.
There's also the Kizumonogatari movie coming up early in January as well but I doubt we in the west will be able to see them soon.
Razgriz-Specter
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I always get pissed when I finish a season of this show,
Its just so different I end up craving it for a few weeks every single time.
Its just so different I end up craving it for a few weeks every single time.
I recommend Okitegami Kyoko which is live action but it's an adaptation of a Nisio novel and the director copies Monogatari's direction verbatim.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Or Katanagatari or Medaka Box.
Razgriz-Specter
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Kinda of topic but with the movie coming I really hope we get and updated Araragi Figma,
or at the very least a Figma of Kiss-Shot.
or at the very least a Figma of Kiss-Shot.
MetroidPrimeRib
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There is an Araragi figma, and a Shinobu one.
You'll get a lot of Kiss-Shot statues/figures.
Razgriz-Specter
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Oh I have it, im just hoping for an updated version.
The original is just so noticeably different from how he currently looks(hair being 1 major difference).
I'd buy an updated version maybe wearing a hoodie/jacket.
Shinobu took like 3 years to get made and finally released this year,
hoping for Kiss-Shot most but honestly i'd buy any others(Black Hanekawa, Gaen, Ougi)
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