mclaren777
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I won't buy one unless Gold LIVE (or its future equivalent) is free.
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Pachter: Xbox 720 will launch at $99.99; have cable TV subscription
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I do. But I don't visit every thread there.
mainstream consumers will ask why they have to pay so much for a noisy box just to watch TV on.
metalslimer
Member
I dont think so at all. In this economy, I don't think many people want to pay another subscription plan for a video game system.
Glorified G
Member
some mainstream consumers will ask why they would pay for a cable box they already have when they just want to play madden.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Pretty much.
All the speculation seem mostly focused on the U.S market, which is at most only half of the global market.
Microsoft would be tremendous morons to ignore the other half.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
And in this economy, people don't want to pay a premium price for tech. I'd jump, and I know a lot of others will, on a subscription plan. Maybe not the "GAF" community, but the casuals.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Yes. Yes they could.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
If it's expensive enough to warrant a subscription in the U.S, I imagine that it'll be too expensive without that subscription outside of the U.S.
That's all speculation though, and 99 launch price + subscription might not mean that the price without subscription will be very high.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Do people honestly think this will be the ONLY way you will be able to get the next box?
You know that Microsoft is going to hit every possible way to get as many consoles out there.
Whether it be on a payment plan like they currently have, via cable tv subscriptions, or just straight up walking into a store and buying one for 400-500 bucks.
You know that Microsoft is going to hit every possible way to get as many consoles out there.
Whether it be on a payment plan like they currently have, via cable tv subscriptions, or just straight up walking into a store and buying one for 400-500 bucks.
DragonSworne
Banned
NO ONE is going to pay a subscription for 5-7 years to use the SAME device
Seriously, the only reason TV and Cell phones sucription model work is because of the free upgrades on devices.
Unless MS plans on upgrading hardware/services every 2 years, this model is going to fail.
Seriously, the only reason TV and Cell phones sucription model work is because of the free upgrades on devices.
Unless MS plans on upgrading hardware/services every 2 years, this model is going to fail.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
He should just stop talking. All he says is nonsense.
Yep. I don't really see what value this feature has to anyone except Microsoft themselves. I assume they're offering a significant discount on pay tv here.
JimiNutz
Banned
I'm sure that MS would love to lock us all in on a $50 per month contract but is this going to work for gaming?
I have enough direct debits every month as it is - phone, car, gym, cable etc. There's no way I'm going to add an Xbox subscription as well unless its maximum $15 per month (depending on what it gets me for my money).
The subscription model seems like it will alienate too many potential customers.
Maybe it'll be more viable in 10 years.
I have enough direct debits every month as it is - phone, car, gym, cable etc. There's no way I'm going to add an Xbox subscription as well unless its maximum $15 per month (depending on what it gets me for my money).
The subscription model seems like it will alienate too many potential customers.
Maybe it'll be more viable in 10 years.
DragonSworne
Banned
Pachter doesn't have cable TV obviously.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Pachter really has no idea what he is saying does he.
How do i get this guys job, All he does he throw stupidity out onto the internet followed by tiny tiny tiny statements of common sense.
How do i get this guys job, All he does he throw stupidity out onto the internet followed by tiny tiny tiny statements of common sense.
Diddy Kong
Banned
/thread tbh
I doubt it will be cable in the traditional sense. It will be IP based television. As long as you have a broadband connection you'll have TV service. If you have low bandwidth you'll have to settle for low quality video, though.
I love all the game shit arranged behind him. Dat street cred.
Projectjustice
Banned
Which was wrong.
I think with the option of picking up a 360 right now at $99 with the contract, I think it's only logical that Microsoft continues the trend with the next Xbox.
I mean give consumers 3 options of paying for the Xbox 720:
1) $99.99 USD with 3 year contract and cable tv plan
2) $199.99 USD with 2 year contract no cable service
3) $399.99 USD outright with no Xbox Live Gold/Platinum service included like the other 2.
Depending on how expensive the cable service would be, only having to pay $100 up front for the next generation of a console at launch looks really enticing.
I mean give consumers 3 options of paying for the Xbox 720:
1) $99.99 USD with 3 year contract and cable tv plan
2) $199.99 USD with 2 year contract no cable service
3) $399.99 USD outright with no Xbox Live Gold/Platinum service included like the other 2.
Depending on how expensive the cable service would be, only having to pay $100 up front for the next generation of a console at launch looks really enticing.
Its getting better here, its nothing compared to the US but its a start.
And yeah I bet legislation is the major problem for Netflix in the EU.
Projectjustice
Banned
You can count me out then MS. I don't even have cable TV now. Comcast is the biggest rip off ever. All I need is netflix, internet and movies.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Pachter is not the problem.
The people who are so clueless about their own investments, and the industry they have a financial stake in improving, that regard his bullshit as legitimate analysis? That's a problem.
It'd be one thing if he was simply on a magazine payroll, writing editorials. That'd be professional trolling, which is fine. It's what you want someone writing editorials to do, so long as they put in the time and effort to provide reasoning that could withstand some semblance of challenge.
But this guy is hired, and then paid, to provide market analysis to people who are responsible for helping fund projects.
I mean, Jim Cramer is a clown, but can you imagine if he offered financial advice on CNBC at a level as utterly batshit as Pachter's advice regarding the gaming industry? He'd probably be imprisoned.
The people who are so clueless about their own investments, and the industry they have a financial stake in improving, that regard his bullshit as legitimate analysis? That's a problem.
It'd be one thing if he was simply on a magazine payroll, writing editorials. That'd be professional trolling, which is fine. It's what you want someone writing editorials to do, so long as they put in the time and effort to provide reasoning that could withstand some semblance of challenge.
But this guy is hired, and then paid, to provide market analysis to people who are responsible for helping fund projects.
I mean, Jim Cramer is a clown, but can you imagine if he offered financial advice on CNBC at a level as utterly batshit as Pachter's advice regarding the gaming industry? He'd probably be imprisoned.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Little Jimmy 720 owner
Little Mary: Mooooooom! Jimmy won't let me watch Jersey Shore!
Little Jimmy: But mom, I was here first and was playing Halo with my clan!
Mom: Jimmy, get off the damn Xbox so your sister can watch TV!
Little Jimmy: But mom! It's my Xbox!
Mom: And it's also our cable box Jimmy so get off! I won't tell you again!!
Little Jimmy: But MOM, my clan!!!
Mom: *SMACK!!*
Little Jimmy Wii U owner
Little Mary: Moooooom! Jimmy won't let me watch Jersey Shore!
Little Jimmy: It's ok sis, I can play on my U-pad while you watch those retards.
Little Mary: Mooooooom! Jimmy won't let me watch Jersey Shore!
Little Jimmy: But mom, I was here first and was playing Halo with my clan!
Mom: Jimmy, get off the damn Xbox so your sister can watch TV!
Little Jimmy: But mom! It's my Xbox!
Mom: And it's also our cable box Jimmy so get off! I won't tell you again!!
Little Jimmy: But MOM, my clan!!!
Mom: *SMACK!!*
Little Jimmy Wii U owner
Little Mary: Moooooom! Jimmy won't let me watch Jersey Shore!
Little Jimmy: It's ok sis, I can play on my U-pad while you watch those retards.
This is why I love GAF, so willing to jump to conclusions and extremes:
Why assume a subscription model is in place because the price is too high? This can be an option along with paying up front, just like they are doing now with the 360.
I don't consider $400-$500 too high for a next Gen console and I don't see it costing more than that.
What makes you think this contract would be for 5-7 years?
Also people have been paying for Live for almost 10 years btw.
Is there a reason you couldn't get Netflix, internet and movies? The cable won't be forced.
Why assume a subscription model is in place because the price is too high? This can be an option along with paying up front, just like they are doing now with the 360.
I don't consider $400-$500 too high for a next Gen console and I don't see it costing more than that.
What makes you think this contract would be for 5-7 years?
Also people have been paying for Live for almost 10 years btw.
Is there a reason you couldn't get Netflix, internet and movies? The cable won't be forced.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
according to the patent file thread, you can stream to other rooms.
so i don't think there would be a problem, if it's all true of course.
Partnering with a cable company makes no sense, unless MS partners with several different cable companies to cover the whole US.
What about rural areas where cable isn't available? It makes no sense.
What does make sense is a subscription based service that lowers the initial price of the console, just like a cell phone. Consumers can buy the console at full price (whatever that is) or they can pay a reduced cost and then a monthly fee.
You know what I'd love to see?
$49.99 a month for the following:
Xbox Live Gold
Netflix Streaming
Hulu Plus
whatever other "pay to stream" services MS can put on it's next console.
Two year agreement to pay that $49.99 a month gets you a console for $100 - $200, just like a cell phone. People who don't want to sign the contract can pay full price for the console.
What about rural areas where cable isn't available? It makes no sense.
What does make sense is a subscription based service that lowers the initial price of the console, just like a cell phone. Consumers can buy the console at full price (whatever that is) or they can pay a reduced cost and then a monthly fee.
You know what I'd love to see?
$49.99 a month for the following:
Xbox Live Gold
Netflix Streaming
Hulu Plus
whatever other "pay to stream" services MS can put on it's next console.
Two year agreement to pay that $49.99 a month gets you a console for $100 - $200, just like a cell phone. People who don't want to sign the contract can pay full price for the console.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Does no one here share netflex, hulu +, HBO Go with family or friends? I haven't paid full price for any of those streaming services.
I laughed at the $99.99 price tag.
I laughed out loud at the cable TV subscription.
If it launched that low, wouldn't it cannibalize the already $99.99 Xbox w/subscription deal? I can see them launching the 720 at a reduced price with 2 year Live subscription... but not with cable TV and not at $99.99. That's just crazy, and it would be a mess for them negotiating with Cox, Comcast, Verizon, the countless other providers and their respective areas nationwide, and the international providers, and... you know what? It's just a dumb idea.
I laughed out loud at the cable TV subscription.
If it launched that low, wouldn't it cannibalize the already $99.99 Xbox w/subscription deal? I can see them launching the 720 at a reduced price with 2 year Live subscription... but not with cable TV and not at $99.99. That's just crazy, and it would be a mess for them negotiating with Cox, Comcast, Verizon, the countless other providers and their respective areas nationwide, and the international providers, and... you know what? It's just a dumb idea.
DCDW
Member
Where does MS make the money with a Cable provider partnership on a brand new console? I can understand the current 360 partnership as the parts have had time to come down in price. But $100 and a cable subscription? That Subscription deal better be heavily favoured in MS's favour or they'll be losing a metric shit ton on every console sold. Now I know it's been their thing selling at a loss, but $100 + what $20-30 (this is quite a reach) a month from the partnership?
If MS and the cable provider split income from online transactions then I can see this being ok and Cable providers are a bit hesitant to make a strong transition to online content, the Xbox brand could provide a level of control via ads with trackable data and a proven infrastructure. However again that's long term and I can't see that deal not bleeding a record amount of money lost on each console sold.
If MS and the cable provider split income from online transactions then I can see this being ok and Cable providers are a bit hesitant to make a strong transition to online content, the Xbox brand could provide a level of control via ads with trackable data and a proven infrastructure. However again that's long term and I can't see that deal not bleeding a record amount of money lost on each console sold.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
If cable TV was bundle in with XBL and not sold as a separate subscription I would never resub again.
phosphor112
Banned
I think a lot of people here are in denial and haven't been following all the information we've been getting about the console.
H_Prestige
Banned
The day I'm required to pay a monthly fee to use a video game console is the day I stop gaming.
No, it's just the day that I will be buying that console, but instead a nice PC/other console.
They will have a subscription plan and will also be selling it without. The sub plans will also differ in price to what is provided.
But the problem I have is everything is half-assed, my 360 did not replace my skyHD box and neither did it become my DVD player. The youtube app is awful and if kinect is the future then I won't be there.
I can understand what MS is trying and why, they want me to buy windows phone, windows tablet and nextbox and I am sure that all three will work in perfect harmony but I don't wnat to feel that I am losing a feature because I don't own all three.
I want a kick-ass gaming console, nothing else and I am now hoping that this is were Sony will step in.
But the problem I have is everything is half-assed, my 360 did not replace my skyHD box and neither did it become my DVD player. The youtube app is awful and if kinect is the future then I won't be there.
I can understand what MS is trying and why, they want me to buy windows phone, windows tablet and nextbox and I am sure that all three will work in perfect harmony but I don't wnat to feel that I am losing a feature because I don't own all three.
I want a kick-ass gaming console, nothing else and I am now hoping that this is were Sony will step in.
But the live subscription doesn't 'give' you a large bundle of streaming services. It just gives you access to services you are already a member of, whether free or paid. Most Xbox services are horizontal and on many other competing platforms. An Internet streaming offer isn't unique at all.
