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[dsister44]

in 12 months time:

no one will ask SE why nier bombed
no one will ask nintendo or capcom about MHTri selling well
Ubisoft will be recieving questions every single interview about how Red steel 2 was clearly a failur and mismatched to the wii's casual third party unfriendly audience

 

[BattleMonkey]

in 12 months time:

no one will ask SE why nier bombed
no one will ask nintendo or capcom about MHTri selling well
Ubisoft will be recieving questions every single interview about how Red steel 2 was clearly a failur and mismatched to the wii's casual third party unfriendly audience

Third party bombs and successes are common on other consoles. Third party core game success on Wii isn't. Simple as that.

 

[frankie_baby]

Third party bombs and successes are common on other consoles. Third party core game success on Wii isn't. Simple as that.

third party core games with any actual effort put into them arent common on wii

 

[BattleMonkey]

third party core games with any actual effort put into them arent common on wii

And unless more publishers start putting more effort into their wii games, nothing will change. Once in a blue moon potential successes like MHtri are not going to change the industry perceptions, and publishers whining all the time about Wii casual/core stuff doesn't help. More than 3 years now, the perceptions are in place for the generation.

 

[frankie_baby]

nice start from mh3, perhaps i expected a place or 2 higher but doubt that would've been that much difference in sales, next week should give a clear indication of the games long term sales potential, will it follow the traditiona pattern of core game and have a big drop or will it follow the nintendo pattern of remaining steady or even going up

 

[Dragon]

in 12 months time:

no one will ask SE why nier bombed
no one will ask nintendo or capcom about MHTri selling well
Ubisoft will be recieving questions every single interview about how Red steel 2 was clearly a failur and mismatched to the wii's casual third party unfriendly audience

In 12 months time:

People will still play the victim for no real reason except to be able to puff out their chest and say I'm right!

 

[schuelma]

Re: Capcom's MH Tri expectations. A Financial Report last year had shipping expectations as 1.5 domestic/2 million total for the fiscal year (this was when MH Tri was still going to be out in 2010 Q1).

However, just judging by the advertising Capcom/Nintendo is putting into it, I would guess expectations are higher than 500K overall.

 

[Taurus]

Whatever happens, at least we've found the winning formula for third party success on the Wii: Let Nintendo publish your games.

Or: make a decent effort instead of quick cash-ins and LET PEOPLE KNOW YOU ARE MAKING A GAME (you know, marketing).

 

[MonsterHunter]

I'm still optimistic on both regions, keep it up MH～

 

[jrricky]

Franchise milking here we come?
I don't know if further splitting the fan base and releasing more games on more platforms would a wise idea...

wat? looks at all the non-traditionally multiplatform (FF, DMC, RE etc.) games having huge success...

 

[EagleEyes]

Sure is nice to see Splinter Cell doing well. Amazing Game. Nothing more can be said about Forza except total non bomba.

 

[Baki]

Whatever happens, at least we've found the winning formula for third party success on the Wii: Let Nintendo publish your games.

Don't want to be the guy that rains on a parade. But MH with a heavy marketing campaign only debuted at no.5 on a slow week (<17K). Thats not terribly impressive considering the marketing campaign.

That said, MH has never been big in the west. So thats also a factor.

tl;dr: Sales are good, but not spectacular and does not vindicate the Wii in regards to hardcore games yet.

 

[Mt Heart Attack]

wat? looks at all the non-traditionally multiplatform (FF, DMC, RE etc.) games having huge success...

Ah yeah, I thought he was hinting that Capcom should develop different games on different platforms (just like MHP is on the PSP, MH3 is on the Wii, MH Frontier on the 360, ...). That wouldn't work so well imo. MH3 itself kinda underperformed compared to the PSP versions in Japan.

And regarding multiplatform games, of course there are a lot of examples of successful ones in the West, but in Japan.. not that much (as far as I know at least) And we all know that MH is primarily intended for the Japanese market. Also, developing multiplatform games on such different platforms (Wii, PSP, and we don't even know the 3DS specs yet) wouldn't be a cakewalk I think.

 

[cws]

Tri :-D

Next Tales of Graces by Nintendo plz.

 

[schuelma]

That said, MH has never been big in the west. So thats also a factor.
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Gee, really? You're admitting that the fact that a series that has never been remotely popular might be a factor? How charitable of you.

 

[SmokyDave]

I need PSN sales to sustain my PSP hunger. I noticed that LBP was the top selling PSP game last week (on UMD). It's £25 on UMD, £22 on download and has recently been on sale (PSN version) for £11.99. Curious to see which has sold more, PSN or UMD.

I'm just rambling in the hopes that nobody sees the tears in my eyes.

 

[Baki]

Gee, really? You're admitting that the fact that a series that has never been remotely popular might be a factor? How charitable of you.

Why thank you. :lol

If I were to break-down what MH3 has going for it, it would be:

+ Heavy Advertising
+ Classic Controller Pack-In
+ Good game?

- Poor sales history in west due to (i) Poor marketing (ii) Poor brand recongition (iii) A lot of competition on PS2? (iv) :lol PSP :lol
- Does not use motion controls?
- Small userbase for the game on Wii in the west?

Conclusion: Impressive debut for the game. But not proof that prior "core" Wii games bombed due to lack of marketing/poor product. Simply because the debut is good for MH but not neccessarily good in general (especially for a heavily marketed good).

I need PSN sales to sustain my PSP hunger. I noticed that LBP was the top selling PSP game last week (on UMD). It's £25 on UMD, £22 on download and has recently been on sale (PSN version) for £11.99. Curious to see which has sold more, PSN or UMD.

I'm just rambling in the hopes that nobody sees the tears in my eyes.

Wait till June. I'm pretty sure that Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker will do really well in the UK (because Kojima is coming to London).

I mean, its going to be the 1st PSP game I've bought day-one since forever. :lol :lol

 

[schuelma]

- Poor sales history in west due to (i) Poor marketing (ii) Poor brand recongition (iii) A lot of competition on PS2?
QUOTE]


Umm..I think the reason for that is much more the nature of the gameplay itself. I really enjoyed the demo once I got used to the controls, but I was thinking to myself "how the hell is this going to sell in the West?" I think there is a very inherent limitation in the controls that makes any substantial sucess very impressive.

 

[Baki]

- Poor sales history in west due to (i) Poor marketing (ii) Poor brand recongition (iii) A lot of competition on PS2?

Umm..I think the reason for that is much more the nature of the gameplay itself. I really enjoyed the demo once I got used to the controls, but I was thinking to myself "how the hell is this going to sell in the West?" I think there is a very inherent limitation in the controls that makes any substantial sucess very impressive.

..How does it play on a wii-mote? I might just download the demo. Could be fun. I've only played some MH: Freedom Unite on the PSP.

 

[Lonely1]

Capcom could release MH on PSP, 3DS, iPhone, iPad and Wii for maximum sales.

Fixed.

 

[schuelma]

..How does it play on a wii-mote? I might just download the demo. Could be fun. I've only played some MH: Freedom Unite on the PSP.

I have no idea- played it on the CC. Don't think it is any easier to grasp though.

 

[Baki]

I have no idea- played it on the CC. Don't think it is any easier to grasp though.

Hmm...I wonder if I can find any GC-controllers for cheap. :lol On that note, are CC's wireless? And is NSMB Wii compatible with GC GC-controller? If so, might be the right time to finally get NSMB Wii. :lol :lol

 

[Lunchbox]

WHERES MA DAUGHTER

second favorite game this year after Mass effect2. well deserved

 

[Shiggy]

Hmm...I wonder if I can find any GC-controllers for cheap. :lol On that note, are CC's wireless? And is NSMB Wii compatible with GC GC-controller? If so, might be the right time to finally get NSMB Wii. :lol :lol

Wireless - yes, but you can only use it when attached to the Wii Remote.
NSBM Wii - No, only compatible with Wii Remote and Wii Remote+NunChuk

 

[Baki]

Wireless - yes, but you can only use it when attached to the Wii Remote.
NSBM Wii - No, only compatible with Wii Remote and Wii Remote+NunChuk

Wait...So CC-connects to the Wii-Remote(where the nunchuck goes?) Isn't that kind of weird?

Also why does NSMB Wii only work with Wii-mote? Does it use motion controls? Doesn't it play like the DS version? :/

 

[le.phat]

Don't want to be the guy that rains on a parade. But MH with a heavy marketing campaign only debuted at no.5 on a slow week (<17K)

really ?

 

[Baki]

really ?

Was basing that on this:

Non-extrapolated Weekly Averages (Based on Monthly Top 10s)

| Title             | Jan 2010 | Feb 2010 | Mar 2010 |
------------------------------------------------------
| Wii Fit Plus      |   27,750 |   16,500 |   18,600 |
| Wii Sports Resort |   22,500 |   18,250 |   16,800 |

March 2010 is from week 9-13, while April 2010 is from week 14-17.
Wii Fit Plus sales dropped in week 14 (-8%) and week 16 (-3%).

Although maybe <20K is more appropriate.

 

[Shiggy]

Wait...So CC-connects to the Wii-Remote(where the nunchuck goes?) Isn't that kind of weird?

This way you don't need an additional battery pack.

Also why does NSMB Wii only work with Wii-mote? Does it use motion controls? Doesn't it play like the DS version? :/

It uses motion controls for a few actions and to move some platforms (tilt right, the platform moves right).

 

[Baki]

This way you don't need an additional battery pack.



It uses motion controls for a few actions and to move some platforms (tilt right, the platform moves right).

...

Probably not going to get NSMBWii anytime soon then. Wiimote+nunchuk X 2 is just way too expensive right now.

 

[markatisu]

OMG is that Monster Hunter game in the Top 5

 

[nilam01]

no mass effect 2 makes me a sad panda..

 

[markatisu]

Was basing that on this:

Although maybe >20K is more appropriate.

And that is a bad thing for a Monster Hunter game?? I mean come on guys just because its on a different platform does not mean that is suddenly changed genres :lol

 

[Carl]

Great to see that MH3 is doing so well. A decent Wii title actually selling for once Knew they had to get there eventually. Well done Capcom and Ninty for pushing it so much on our T screens.

Also, yay for Heavy Rain, as always.

 

[boiled goose]

...

Probably not going to get NSMBWii anytime soon then. Wiimote+nunchuk X 2 is just way too expensive right now.

you just need the wiimote.

 

[Baki]

you just need the wiimote.

Wii-motes are still pretty pricey. I mean if I get NSMBWii for £20-range then sure. But..I was really hoping to play 4-player.

And that is a bad thing for a Monster Hunter game?? I mean come on guys just because its on a different platform does not mean that is suddenly changed genres :lol

No, its quite good for an MH game. I was just saying to the others that this isn't proof that the other "core" games bombed because of lack of marketing. And that its obvious that the userbase is a factor when "core" games underperform.

 

[FrankT]

WHERES MA DAUGHTER

second favorite game this year after Mass effect2. well deserved

I've quite enjoyed it as well. Not Chaos Theory levels of enjoyment, but still solid. I still question a few key elements.

 

[Baki]

I've quite enjoyed it as well. Not Chaos Theory levels of enjoyment, but still solid. I still question a few key elements.

I played the co-op aroun' a friends house. So awesome. I'd say the co-op is better than Chaos Theory co-op. Miss the light indicator though.

 

[FrankT]

I played the co-op aroun' a friends house. So awesome. I'd say the co-op is better than Chaos Theory co-op. Miss the light indicator though.

Yes the co-op is definitely the stand out for me. I stated this in the official thread, but probably one of the best co-op experiences for me this gen.

 

[Baki]

Yes the co-op is definitely the stand out for me. I stated this in the official thread, but probably one of the best co-op experiences for me this gen.

I'd have to agree. I hope SF has this kind of co-op.

 

[markatisu]

No, its quite good for an MH game. I was just saying to the others that this isn't proof that the other "core" games bombed because of lack of marketing. And that its obvious that the userbase is a factor when "core" games underperform.

Oh yeah I can agree with that. I actually do not think MH is front loaded either, this game has the potential for great word of mouth when people play the 2 player co-op and realize the online community is there.

I know others might not agree but I am actually surprised its in the Top 10, I figured it would appear on the charts somewhere but be one of those slow burners. The fact it is up so high at least means some of the more dedicated MH people came out, hopefully we see a Top 20 finish in America as well.

Financially they claimed to expect 500k combined for US/EU, I thought that was a bit of a reach given the niche standing of the game in western markets.

 

[Spiegel]

And that is a bad thing for a Monster Hunter game?? I mean come on guys just because its on a different platform does not mean that is suddenly changed genres :lol

I think it's a bad thing for a game with a massive advertising campaign. If ~16-17k copies in its debut week is the best a Monster Hunter game can hope for, it's pretty obvious that Capcom will accept that MH will never be a big franchise and they aren't going to spend money (at least not that much) marketing the franchise again. They have been burned twice in a row now.

Next time, this kind of massive advertising campaign will be used to help games with bigger sales potential.

 

[Kyoufu]

no mass effect 2 makes me a sad panda..

I'm not sad. After all the hype and roo-rah I found the game to be prettttty disappointing. Haven't touched it in months.

 

[schuelma]

I think it's a bad thing for a game with a massive advertising campaign. If ~16-17k copies in its debut week is the best a Monster Hunter game can hope for, it's pretty obvious that Capcom will accept that MH will never be a big franchise and they aren't going to spend money (at least not that much) marketing the franchise again. They have been burned twice in a row now.

Next time, this kind of massive advertising campaign will be used to help games with bigger sales potential.

Jesus, we have 3 days of sales from one country in one region, which by the way was a top 5 debut, and we are making posts like this already? It seems incredibly likely it will at the very least make their initial shipment goal, and will probably do much better than that.

 

[markatisu]

Jesus, we have 3 days of sales from one country in one region, which by the way was a top 5 debut, and we are making posts like this already? It seems incredibly likely it will at the very least make their initial shipment goal, and will probably do much better than that.

That would probably be impressive in itself given that MH is usually DOA in the West :lol

Plus its Spiegel, this game could have sold 50-100k first 3 days and he would post the same.

At least this release has a pulse, with MH you seriously go from non-existant to barely there but anybody expecting some massive numbers is living in a dream world.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Lowered expectations doesn't mean a game didn't bomb.

 

[Jokeropia]

I hope I'm wayyyy off and that this game does have lags and sells big in the EU but looking at the 3rd party software sells in the EU since launch only mario and sonic at the Olympics have done extremely well for itself on the wii.

If Mario & Sonic is the bar for extremely well, very few games on any console have done extremely well. (On PS3 and 360 it's pretty much only GTA & MW.)

Lowered expectations doesn't mean a game didn't bomb.

You're not referring to MH3, are you? Because if anything, it had significantly raised expectations compared to what the franchise usually does.

I think it's a bad thing for a game with a massive advertising campaign. If ~16-17k copies in its debut week is the best a Monster Hunter game can hope for, it's pretty obvious that Capcom will accept that MH will never be a big franchise and they aren't going to spend money (at least not that much) marketing the franchise again. They have been burned twice in a row now.

Next time, this kind of massive advertising campaign will be used to help games with bigger sales potential.

:lol

 

[Spiegel]

Jesus, we have 3 days of sales from one country in one region, which by the way was a top 5 debut, and we are making posts like this already? It seems incredibly likely it will at the very least make their initial shipment goal, and will probably do much better than that.

I wasn't expecting you from all people to use the position argument when we have a close aproximation of the real number. A sub 20k debut in UK is pretty bad for a hardcore game with a big advertising campaign. Now, it's possible that the game becomes the leggiest game ever or an amazing success everywhere, then I'd not have a problem to say the game is a success but its debut is nothing to write home about.

And of course Capcom will make their initial shipment goal, even MHFU managed to ship 400k in EU/NA and that didn't stop Capcom saying the game struggled overseas. It's pretty obvious that Capcom wants MH to be a big franchise worldwide, that's why they are pushing it so hard.

I'd say you something, I've seen only one game with a comparable marketing push debuting lower in the UK, MHFU. That's why I'm blaming the franchise and not the Wii. But hey let's make it personal, eh markatisu?

 

[gofreak]

Analysis for the month of March:

http://www.mcvuk.com/features/677/UK-CHARTS-March

ALL&#8200;FORMATS&#8200;TOP&#8200;50
1. BATTLEFIElD: BAD COMPANY 2 – EA
2. FINAL FANTASY XIII – SQUARE ENIX
3. JUST DANCE – UBISOFT
4. JUST CAUSE 2 – SQUARE ENIX
5. CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 2 – ACTIVISION
6. GOD OF WAR III – SONY
7. WII FIT PLUS – NINTENDO
8. HEAVY RAIN – SONY
9. WII SPORTS RESORT – NINTENDO
10. SONIC & SEGA ALL-STARs RACING – SEGA
11. POKéMON SOULSILVER – NINTENDO
12. ALIENS VS PREDATOR – SEGA
13. POKéMON HEARTGOLD – NINTENDO
14. FIFA 10 – EA
15. NEW SUPER MARIO BROS WII – NINTENDO
16. MARIO KART WII – NINTENDO
17. METRO 2033 – THQ
18. BEN 10: ALIEN FORCE VILGAX ATTACKS – D3P
19. FORZA MOTORSPORT 3 – MICROSOFT
20. BIOSHOCK 2 – TAKE-TWO
21. ASSASSIN’S CREED II – UBISOFT
22. MARIO & SONIC AT THE WINTER OLYMPIC GAMES – SEGA
23. LEGO BATMAN: THE VIDEOGAME – WARNER BROS
24. JAMES CAMERON’S AVATAR: THE GAME – UBISOFT
25. GRAND THEFT AUTO IV – ROCKSTAR
26. NEW SUPER MARIO BROS – NINTENDO
27. PROFESSOR LAYTON AND PANDORA’S BOX – NINTENDO
28. FOOTBALL MANAGER 2010 – SEGA
29. UNCHARTED 2: AMONG THIEVES – SONY
30. PEPPA PIG:&#8200;THE GAME – P2 GAMES
31. MARIO AND LUIGI: BOWSERS INSIDE STORY – NINTENDO
32. WWE SMACKDOWN VS RAW 2010 – THQ
33. MASS EFFECT 2 – EA
34. C&C 4: TIBERIAN TWILIGHT – EA
35. PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2010 – KONAMI
36. PURE – DISNEY
37. PRISON BREAK: THE CONSPIRACY – KOCH MEDIA
38. NEED FOR SPEED: SHIFT – EA
39. DRAGON AGE: ORIGINS AWAKENING – EA
40. CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE – ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
41. MARIO KART DS – NINTENDO
42. NAPOLEON: TOTAL WAR – SEGA
43. MX VS ATV REFLEX – THQ
44. DARKSIDERS – THQ
45. THE LEGEND OF ZELDA: SPIRIT TRACKS – NINTENDO
46. SEGA MEGA DRIVE ULTIMATE COLLECTION – SEGA
47. ASSASSIN’S CREED II – UBISOFT
48. WII PLAY – NINTENDO
49. UP – THQ
50. BORDERLANDS – 2K GAMES

SOFTWARE MARKET SHARE BY FORMAT – UNITS
(last month in brackets)
1. (2) XBOX 360 – 23.6%
2. (1) NINTENDO WII – 22.0%
3. (3) PS3 – 21.9%
4. (4) NINTENDO DS – 18.2%
5. (5) PC – 11.0%
6. (6) PSP – 2.5%
7. (7) PS2 – 0.7%
8. (8) XBOX – 0.0%

More, including company breakdowns, and breakdowns based on value at the link.

 

[schuelma]

I wasn't expecting you from all people to use the position argument when we have a close aproximation of the real number. A sub 20k debut in UK is pretty bad for a hardcore game with a big advertising campaign. Now, it's possible that the game becomes the leggiest game ever or an amazing success everywhere, then I'd not have a problem to say the game is a success but its debut is nothing to write home about.

I used the position because I'm not going to accept a number as gospel based off approximate numbers from other software from last month.

I'd say you something, I've seen only one game with a comparable marketing push debuting lower in the UK, MHFU. That's why I'm blaming the franchise and not the Wii. But hey let's make it personal, eh markatisu?

Well, you live there so I'm not going to argue with you. I just assumed the MH Tri push in Europe was similar to the U.S, i.e, much more than most 3rd party Wii games but nothing special compared to big budget HD projects.

I just think you are being way too premature with your post when all we have, no offense, is U.K sales for one weekend. If it does under 100K for April in NPD then we can talk. But without any hard data from the biggest market it seems a bit foolish to already proclaim failure.

 

[BattleMonkey]

much more than most 3rd party Wii games but nothing special compared to big budget HD projects. .

Compared to what HD projects exactly? Are we comparing the marketing to something big like MW now or being more realistic here. The level of marketing feels no different from pretty much the rest of Capcoms releases