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PAL Charts - Week 38, 2010
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Psychotext
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It's not particularly unusual for the megahits. GTA IV dropped 77% in its second week and Modern Warfare 2 dropped by 86%Cosmonaut X said:
Withnail said:
Not sure if it helps with the math, but the DR2 split is 63-36 in the 360's favour:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/sep/27/top-ten-video-games
Edit: btw, The Guardian has the platform share for the top 10 every week.
I imagine they prefer to treat PS3 as an entity, with Move being one of PS3's options, not a seperate platform. PS3 sales figures should not depending strictly on Move performance and vice versa. PS3 is doint quite well at the moment, it sold 13M last FY.Opus Angelorum said:
Microsoft creates a huge dissonance between traditional 360 customers and potential Kinect customers, with nothing appealing in Kinect for the first group and with very scarce post-Holiday Kinect line-up, the latter group might also be disappointed in the platform if they are not interested in 360's legacy line-up. Sony seems to want to avoid that pitfall.
We do get them on a monthly basis though. I guess we'll have to wait until next week then.szaromir said:
That's the thing. I'm not so sure Sony's long term strategy is to attract casuals, though if the thing suddenly gets picked up by the casual crowd, I don't think Sony'll waste time in altering that strategy a bit.Opus Angelorum said:
From what I've seen, Move seems to be like an assist to playing core games in the near future. In fact, is there even any more casual type games on the horizon for Move?
Opus Angelorum said:
I'm not sure anything I said disagrees with that.
Fundamentally Sony wants more software euros.
It's a bit more subtle than 'just' attracting new kinds of consumers. But that's obviously one substantial part.
The other is enticing existing users to buy more software, or kinds of software they weren't buying on the platform before.
There's a number of different types of consumer that's being targeted here. The non-PS3 owner. The PS3 only owner. The 'shared' owner who owns other consoles. For example, with a PS3/Wii owner, Move allows Sony to compete for spend on 'a certain kind of game' that they weren't competing for at all to date. If that owner spends less on Wii games because they're spending on Move, in addition to what they were otherwise spending on PS3 that's 'expanded market' for Sony even though it's with an existing PS3 owner. In my own case, among my family, nearly always a couple of Wii games would be bought around Christmas just to play over the break while everyone is in the house and bored. Now that there's Move, that money may well be spent elsewhere this year.
For Sony and Microsoft with these new platforms, it's more general than attracting new users but new usage which encompasses all flavours of increased software share, wherever it comes from. If Microsoft was focusing only on new users, they'd be missing a beat. I think they've belatedly realised that.
Psychotext
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I don't think they do them any more after the UKIE rebrand.Garjon said:
So... basically from now on we won't get any sales numbers in Europe? Bad time to be a sales-agerPsychotext said:
Also, going back to the Move topic, you need to remember that Sony have said they won't be ramping up their marketing properly until mid-October. If Sony have the same sales target as Kinect (3 million), they should easily reach it. Not bad for a company with a very muted marketing budget.
Interfectum
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Wow Sports Champions dropped like a rock.
Maastricht
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Interfectum said:
Is that wishful thinking?
I thought so to for a minute, but as stated before it only dropped 12%. There's just a lot of big new titles out this week.Opus Angelorum
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Interfectum said:
12% is quite a low drop, and it only fell behind three new releases. If we see the same pattern for the next few weeks (and it falls below older titles), then it might be an issue.
Lagspike_exe
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Interfectum said:
It dropped 12%.
Katana_Strikes
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:lol
Moving on...
I'm suprised Halo only managed one week at no1 and what a drop... we're talking lead balloon territory here folks.
Also suprised 360 F1 beat the PS3 vers... although only very slightly.
Katana_Strikes said:
Oddly locally the PS3 version is harder to find. Why the stores didn't order more has been put down to people not pre-ordering it and stores been caught out with demand. I guess the stock is in the channel but it took a friend of mine a few tries to find a copy.
SportChamp's 2nd week is as expected, the problem is people don't seem to be rushing out to buy the other stuff - or sales are split between the other titles. Why Sony didn't pack in a game and a 2nd ballstick thing together like WiiPlay I have no idea... I expect SpCh to keep falling gently over the next few weeks as the big core releases are out and then to gather momentum towards Xmas as the adverts hit.
Kinect is in store in town at the moment though and may steal some of it's thunder.
As a side note I'd never considered that most of Toy Story's sales were on the DS - those are interesting percentages!
lastplayed
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Opus Angelorum said:
I know a lot of my friends in England who used to play F1 games on the Amiga, long before PlayStation. They all have Xboxes now...
Ireland:
Week 38, 2010 - Entertainment Software (All Prices)
01 (01) Halo: Reach (Microsoft)
02 (__) F1 2010 (Codemasters)
03 (__) Dead Rising 2 (Capcom)
04 (03) Sports Champions (Sony Computer Ent.)
05 (__) Civilization V (Take 2)
06 (02) Mafia Ii (Take 2)
07 (04) Toy Story 3 (Disney Interactive Studios)
08 (__) Prince Of Persia: The Forgotten Sands (Ubisoft)
09 (09) Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo)
10 (10) Tiger Woods Pga Tour 11 (Electronic Arts)
11 (17) New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
12 (12) Fifa 10 (Electronic Arts)
13 (__) Guitar Hero: Warriors Of Rock (Activision Blizzard)
14 (06) Red Dead Redemption (Take 2)
15 (15) Just Dance (Ubisoft)
16 (__) Art Academy (Nintendo)
17 (19) Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo)
18 (__) Last Window: The Secret Of Cape West (Nintendo)
19 (16) Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision Blizzard)
20 (08) Tom Clancy's H.a.w.x. 2 (Ubisoft)
Denmark:
Week 38, 2010 - Entertainment Software (All Prices)
01 (__) Civilization V (Nordic Game Supply)
02 (__) F1 2010 (Namco Bandai Games)
03 (02) Sports Champions (Nordisk Film)
04 (__) Dead Rising 2 (Pan Vision)
05 (09) Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo)
06 (01) Halo: Reach (Microsoft)
07 (04) Starcraft Ii: Wings Of Liberty (Activision Blizzard)
08 (06) Fifa 10 (Electronic Arts)
09 (05) The Sims 3: Fast Lane Stuff (Electronic Arts)
10 (03) Mafia Ii (Nordic Game Supply)
11 (__) Guitar Hero: Warriors Of Rock (Activision Blizzard)
12 (07) Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision Blizzard)
13 (10) Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo)
14 (14) Lego Harry Potter: Years 1-4 (Pan Vision)
15 (11) Just Dance (Ubisoft)
16 (19) Grand Theft Auto Iv (Nordic Game Supply)
17 (17) Red Dead Redemption (Nordic Game Supply)
18 (13) Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
19 (15) Counter-strike: Source (Electronic Arts)
20 (16) Madden Nfl 11 (Electronic Arts)
France:
week 37, 2010
01 (__) [360] Halo: Reach (Microsoft)
02 (__) [360] Halo: Reach - Edition collector (Microsoft)
03 (__) [PS3] Sports Champions (Sony Computer Ent.)
04 (__) [360] Halo: Reach - Edition légendaire (Microsoft)
05 (__) [WII] Wii Fit Plus + Balance Board (Nintendo)
Finland:
Week 37 + 38, 2010
01 (__) NHL 11 (Electronic Arts)
02 (01) SingStar SuomiHitit (Sony)
03 (__) Halo Reach (Microsoft)
04 (__) Civilization V (Take 2)
05 (__) F1 2010 (Codemasters)
06 (__) Sports Champions (Sony)
07 (__) NHL Slapshot (Electronic Arts)
08 (__) Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo)
09 (02) Mafia II (Take 2)
10 (__) Dead Rising 2 (Capcom)
Graphics Horse
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Brakara said:
That's interesting, thanks.
You can see the Prince of Persia games are bookending a large portion of the top 40 despite a 60/34 split of 360/PS3, so most games between are selling about as well as the PC version of F1 2010. (2% of combined F1 sales). I'd guess something like 3-6k.
For what it's worth this link says Sony's launch F1 game sold 43,000 copies in total, I don't know if that's UK or Europe wide.
http://www.apa.co.uk/showcase/f1-championship-digital-edition
Opus Angelorum
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spwolf said:
Source? Any PR I've seen only speaks of Move as being a slow burn.
Graphics Horse
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Garjon said:
So I've heard, I never thought it was a good strategy to base your expectations around crazy people who reserve games 6 months in advance just for kicks. (No offence, crazy people!)
In their defense, they don't have any other real data though.
And I'm sure pre-orders aren't 100% responsible for the number of copies they order. General interest in the title, talking to customers, media, etc. also probably have some input, but that's of course a lot harder to quantify.
And I'm sure pre-orders aren't 100% responsible for the number of copies they order. General interest in the title, talking to customers, media, etc. also probably have some input, but that's of course a lot harder to quantify.
AdventureRacing
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Redbeard said:
We are talking about one country only and we don't even know the numbers. I don't think we can say anything about moves success yet.
Opus Angelorum
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Redbeard said:
Well if it remains steady and only falls 10-15% for the next two weeks then it would be around 100k for the month, which is around 2.5% of the UK PS3 install base. I wouldn't call that a success...yet.
Graphics Horse
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Opus Angelorum said:
Are people thinking it's bundled with the move? Move sales are much harder to gauge.
One thing we know is there's over 100k Eyepets and more PSEyes out there pre-Move than Sports Champion sales so far.
Opus Angelorum
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Karma said:
Indeed, it could actually be as low as 25-30k for the fortnight.
Cosmonaut X
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Karma said:
This time of year? Perhaps it's not too bad, but I think we need another week or two to really get a feel for what's going to happen next.
What is there coming down the line to drive Move sales? I get the impression there's what we have now, then nothing really but patched-in support and optional control schemes. Are there any more Sports Champion/Start the Party-type games coming out?
Opus Angelorum
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Cosmonaut X said:
Not that have been announced, no.
Launch :
- Start The Party!
- Sports Champions
- Kung Fu Rider
- RUSE
Patched :
- EyePet
- Heavy Rain
- Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11
- Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition
PSN :
- Tumble
- Hustle Kings
- Planet Minigolf
- Plain Sight
Coming soon :
- Killzone 3
- Virtua Tennis 4
- SOCOM 4: U.S. Navy SEALs
- The Fight: Lights Out
- The Shoot
- TV Superstars
- LittleBigPlanet 2
- Time Crisis: Razing Storm
* List from guardian.co.uk
That's an incredibly incomplete list 
Go to iwaggle for a fuller list. But more 'dedicated' stuff like Singstar Dance, Time Crisis, The Shoot, their fighting game, various other fitness games etc. are coming over the next couple of months.
I think Move depends more on word of mouth building than on spiking around new software releases to keep hardware moving, though. Sony will be hoping games like Sports Champions continue to sell Move over the holidays, in conjunction with other software rather than spiking and leaving a new release to come along to pick up the slack.
Go to iwaggle for a fuller list. But more 'dedicated' stuff like Singstar Dance, Time Crisis, The Shoot, their fighting game, various other fitness games etc. are coming over the next couple of months.
I think Move depends more on word of mouth building than on spiking around new software releases to keep hardware moving, though. Sony will be hoping games like Sports Champions continue to sell Move over the holidays, in conjunction with other software rather than spiking and leaving a new release to come along to pick up the slack.
Opus Angelorum
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gofreak said:
Well it hits most of the bigger Move titles, certainly in the near future.
gofreak said:
That is absolutely essential, they need a core experience game that everyone who picks up Move will want. As you say, they cannot afford to let sales slip in between 'big' releases.
slaughterking
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Germany :
Week 38, 2010
01 (__) [PS3] F1 2010
02 (__) [360] F1 2010
03 (__) [PS3] Sports Champions
04 (01) [360] Halo: Reach Standard Edition
05 (__) [WII] Schlag den Raab
06 (03) [NDS] Art Academy
07 (04) [WII] Super Mario Galaxy 2
08 (05) [NDS] Dragon Quest IX
09 (06) [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii
10 (__) [PS3] Mafia II
Italy:
Week 37, 2010
01 (__) [360] Halo: Reach (Microsoft)
02 (__) [360] Halo: Reach Limited Edition (Microsoft)
03 (__) [PS3] Sports Champions (Sony)
04 (__) [360] Halo: Reach Legendary Edition (Microsoft)
05 (03) [PSP] Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep (Square Enix Europe)
06 (04) [WII] Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo)
07 (02) [PS3] Mafia II (Take 2)
08 (01) [WII] Wii Fit Plus + Balance Board (Nintendo)
09 (05) [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
10 (07) [WII] New Super Mario Bros Wii (Nintendo)
Sweden:
Week 38, 2010
01 (__) [PC] Civilization V
02 (02) [PS3] NHL 11
03 (01) [360] Halo Reach
04 (03) [360] NHL 11
05 (__) [PS3] F1 2010
06 (04) [PS3 ] Sports Championship
07 (05) [PC] Starcraft II: Wings Of Liberty
08 (__) [360] Dead Rising 2
09 (__) [360] F1 2010
10 (__) [PS3] Dead Rising 2
11 (__) [PS3] Assassin's Creed 2
12 (__) [PS3] Fifa 10
13 (08) [PC] The Sims 3 Gasen i Botten
14 (__) [360] Guitar Hero Warriors of Rock
15 (__) [360] Assassin's Creed 2
16 (06) [PS3] Mafia 2
17 (__) [PS3] Guitar Hero Warriors of Rock
18 (13) [WII] New Super Mario Bros Wii
19 (10) [NDS] New Super Mario Bros.
20 (11) [WII] Super Mario Galaxy 2
Dynoro said:
I think the music games genre will never return to what it once was. You can have a long hiatus between games but I don't think the mass market wants new games.
The Beatles: Rock Band was a massive disappointment, even in the UK IRC. That to me it's a clear sign that it's all over.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Not sure if this was posted but Sony spent £750,000 for the launch of Move in the UK.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/40790/750000-gets-PlayStation-Moving
That's not very much at all, and a smart...move.
A permanent break perhaps.
MCV said:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/40790/750000-gets-PlayStation-Moving
That's not very much at all, and a smart...move.
Dynoro said:
A permanent break perhaps.