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PAL Charts - Week 38, 2010
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Garjon said:
In brief - yes.
In more detail:
Stores (and by stores I mean big chain stores like game, gamestation, HMV and the other places that take pre-orders) base a heck of a lot on the pre-order numbers they get, but mainly this dictates the initial stock for day one. After the first shipment pretty much everything is based on sales of those original copies (speed mainly) though so other than in the rare cases where they can't print the game fast enough (like Wii Fit originally) then later in the launch week it shouldn't be a problem as the 2nd shipment will come before the first sells out completely.
Also stock allocation to individual stores is based on the pre-orders they get. For games that don't tend to get pre-orders like casual titles (and oddly things like F1 that don't bother with special editions and target the older, more patient gamer) they guess - usually based on the advertising spend of the reps from the particular company.
I remember hearing (anecdote time) about one best selling DS game that a local store had never had in stock despite it being in the top 20 over the summer. Based on the fact they had no pre-orders they got one launch day copy. This copy was mislaid and so the game never registered a sale for the store. The computer system said that if they couldn't even sell one copy they didn't need further copies so this particular store didn't get any of that title until the original copy was found and sold. Even then, without a request for more copies the computer doesn't automatically order more as it took so long to sell the last one!
Pre-orders help with a store's place in the pecking order of things, and the more pre-orders for a key item like Halo:Reach the more the games companies PR spend is directed your way. Free tat & midnight launches are all a direct result of the pre-orders put through. And if the no-money-down UK pre-orders aren't collected and stock of the game was restricted on opening week then you become the only place in town with the hot title because once the initial shipments are allocated based on pre-orders you have to wait for the restock.
To an outsider like me/you this all sounds crazy, but then it seems to work as front-loaded game sales are promoted and this keeps the cash flowing at the busiest time of the year (now til 2nd week of Jan). There are probably better systems, but the impression I get from retail is that micro-management based on the special needs of the gaming market compared to that of music & DVDs just isn't worth the time. This helps the Indie trader fill in the gaps by predicting the consumers needs based on other things (and often getting left with overstock of critically acclaimed titles that no one bought).
slaughterking
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That's pretty messed up. :lolnli10 said:
slaughterking said:
That example was the reason it came up in pub conversation. I use databases and was trying to explain how crazy it was from the perspective of an outsider to friends in retail (multiple different stores and product types). Also if the count of an item ever goes to -1 on the system (say you sell a special edition on a normal edition barcode or similar) then the system doesn't auto restock like it would at zero. If no one notices (and there are none already on order) then the store never gets sent another copy of the game...
The healthcare equivalent would be completely unthinkable, we have so many checks and balances in place.
Cosmonaut X
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A bigger drop-off for Sports Champions this week - I suspect it may not turn out to be quite as evergreen as hoped, pending a turnaround and a holiday uptick.
Halo has another pretty massive fall-off, but the absolute numbers will still be fairly high compared to most of the other charting software.
Someone else will have the extrapolated figures, but I think we're looking at fairly low numbers for SC actually.
Halo has another pretty massive fall-off, but the absolute numbers will still be fairly high compared to most of the other charting software.
Carl said:
Someone else will have the extrapolated figures, but I think we're looking at fairly low numbers for SC actually.
Sho_Nuff82
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If you assume the 360 version is 50% or more...yes.swerve said:
Of course, since the launch of FIFA is huge, 2% could still be in the range of 5-10k.
Opus Angelorum
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Cosmonaut X said:
It's around 80,000 for the three weeks now, and it took a much bigger drop (12% > 35%) so it will be under 100k for the month.
Not too hot for Sports Champions if it continues to decline. A friend of mine who is a manager for the biggest electronic chain here in Norway, said most buyers of Move right now are actually hardcore PS3 owners, and people that have owned the PS3 for a long time. He also mentioned that sales have dropped quite much since launch for the different Move SKUs and games.
Cosmonaut X
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Frillen said:
That's pretty much what I would expect - the big question is whether Sony can reach beyond the core with Move. They've positioned themselves well so that if it does just turn out to be a good alt control scheme with a few dedicated games they're not going to lose out much, and it gives them another nice little tick on the list of features.
It's MS who are betting big and who have more to lose...
butter_stick
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Good to see GH:WoR has some legs. Unlike most of GAF I don't want music games to die.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/oct/04/video-games-chart-top10
Platform split. Gotta say, PS3 and 360 are surprisingly different.
Platform split. Gotta say, PS3 and 360 are surprisingly different.
Sho_Nuff82
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You mean surprisingly close right?szaromir said:
Its like Madden sales only both versions of FIFA went up.
szaromir said:
It all comes down to advertising, FIFA 11 gets a PS3 ad, same for Tiger Woods and Guitar Hero gets a 360 advert along with Dead Rising 2. I have to admit though I can't understand why console exclusive adevrts are so damn effective, surely when you go to the store or online the other version of the same game are clearly visible?
The 360 sales have got to be immense simply due to Shift and Forza being up there. Great to see racing sims sell well though, bodes really well for GT5 which releases a month from now.
AdventureRacing
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Those fifa sales for wii can give us some sort of indication of what sports champion is selling. We could be talking as low as 5-10K.
Certainly not huge numbers considering it is by far the best selling move title so far.
I know you and i had a debate about GT5's sales but im starting to come around a bit. I still think it will struggle to hit 10 million WW but im feeling a little bit more confident than i was.
Certainly not huge numbers considering it is by far the best selling move title so far.
KingDizzi said:The 360 sales have got to be immense simply due to Shift and Forza being up there. Great to see racing sims sell well though, bodes really well for GT5 which releases a month from now.
I know you and i had a debate about GT5's sales but im starting to come around a bit. I still think it will struggle to hit 10 million WW but im feeling a little bit more confident than i was.
Graphics Horse
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dolemite said:
Fifa 10 Has been the top selling budget PS2 game for about the last 3 months running :lol
I think they're still profitable for now, can't cost that much to make surely.
Graphics Horse
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Road said:
I think it has to be less, it's below GTA4, which was around half of Modern Warfare 2 (1.2M or something stupid)
Opus Angelorum
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FIFA 11 sold 821k MCV (Xbox 360/PS3 at 96%) so that leaves 4% (just under 33k) for the Wii, PSP and PS2.
Assuming 2% of those sales went to the Wii, Sports Champion (at best) has sold around 16k for Week 39. If it dropped 35% then:
Week 39 = 16,000 (-35%)
Week 38 = 24,615 (-12%)
Week 37 = 27,971
Which gives us just under 70k for the three weeks.
UK only, the above figures are best case.
Assuming 2% of those sales went to the Wii, Sports Champion (at best) has sold around 16k for Week 39. If it dropped 35% then:
Week 39 = 16,000 (-35%)
Week 38 = 24,615 (-12%)
Week 37 = 27,971
Which gives us just under 70k for the three weeks.
MMaRsu said:
UK only, the above figures are best case.
GarthVaderUK
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Opus Angelorum said:
A measly 1% of FIFA 11 sales were on Wii:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/oct/04/video-games-chart-top10
Opus Angelorum
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GarthVaderUK said:
Well then the numbers for Sports Champion at best are:
Week 39 = 8,210 (-12%)
Week 38 = 12,630 (-35%)
Week 37 = 14,352
Total of 35,192 for the three weeks.
Cosmonaut X
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GarthVaderUK said:
So, we're looking at (rounded figures):
Sports Champions
Week 37 = 14,000
Week 38 = 12,300 (-12%)
Week 39 = 8,000 (-35%)
...for a best-case LTD of something like 34,300?
EDIT:
Ah, beaten
Goes to show how slow sales are at the moment, and also gives us a clue as to why nobody in the UK is crowing about SC/Move sales. It's a slooooow start.
Graphics Horse
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Opus Angelorum said:
Well then the numbers for Sports Champion at best are:
It's somewhere between 1% and 2%, so could be almost twice that I think..