iceatcs
Junior Member
Could be, but it's more likely 360 over PS3 the install base.
Think about it, if it was near every week that 360 has sold more therefore the between gap got bigger than before.
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PAL Charts - Week 38, 2013
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Could be, but it's more likely 360 over PS3 the install base.
Think about it, if it was near every week that 360 has sold more therefore the between gap got bigger than before.
I think so, there's been a lot of publicity about problems with the digital version.
Frankfurter
Member
Well the fact that he claims the average Vita owner purchased more than 10 games could mean tons of things. Either the Vita software sales actually are amazingly well (in terms of Tie Ratio) or they are doing some kind of creative maths there. I'm pretty sure that no system ever had a tie ratio that was even remotely close to 10 after just being on the market for a bit more than a year.
Is there free and or really content on PSN for Vita?
Harvest Moon UK recent history
Harvest Moon DS - April 13th, 2007 - out of Overall top 40, 13th in DS specific chart
Harvest Moon DS: Island of Happiness - December 12th, 2008 - out of DS specific top 50
Harvest Moon DS: Sunshine Islands - December 3rd, 2010 - out of DS specific top 40
Harvest Moon DS: Grand Bazaar - September 30th, 2011 - 25th in DS specific top 40
Harvest Moon: The Tale of Two Towns - June 29th, 2012 - 26th in DS specific top 40 / 7th in 3DS specific top 10
Harvest Moon 3D: A New Beginning - 16th in the Individual top 40, 1st in the 3DS specific top 10
This is by far the biggest debut in the last 6 years for an Harvest Moon title in UK, by far.
What's even better for PQube is that the game far outdid their expectations: it went sold out the same day it released, while peaking at 49.99 Pounds of price (its regular price on Amazon is 22.99), and now there are just three copies available, at 39.99. Before that, it was impossible to buy, not even from third party sellers.
This is why, in the other thread, I said that crap can do wonders for your products XD
Harvest Moon DS - April 13th, 2007 - out of Overall top 40, 13th in DS specific chart
Harvest Moon DS: Island of Happiness - December 12th, 2008 - out of DS specific top 50
Harvest Moon DS: Sunshine Islands - December 3rd, 2010 - out of DS specific top 40
Harvest Moon DS: Grand Bazaar - September 30th, 2011 - 25th in DS specific top 40
Harvest Moon: The Tale of Two Towns - June 29th, 2012 - 26th in DS specific top 40 / 7th in 3DS specific top 10
Harvest Moon 3D: A New Beginning - 16th in the Individual top 40, 1st in the 3DS specific top 10
This is by far the biggest debut in the last 6 years for an Harvest Moon title in UK, by far.
What's even better for PQube is that the game far outdid their expectations: it went sold out the same day it released, while peaking at 49.99 Pounds of price (its regular price on Amazon is 22.99), and now there are just three copies available, at 39.99. Before that, it was impossible to buy, not even from third party sellers.
This is why, in the other thread, I said that crap can do wonders for your products XD
It's a hardcore system with a very enthusiastic userbase. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the tie ratio is totally legit. I have 60 Vita games and I'm probably not even in the top 20 for the Vita thread. We're never going to know though, so make your own assumptions.
Edit: Just for the double whammy, each and every one of my games was purchased through the PSN store with the sole exception of Senran Kagura.
Magicpaint
Member
I'm mildly pleased for Harvest Moon but it's still annoying how long we have to wait for these games to come over. Feels like one the franchises still stock in the SNES/PS1 era of EU localisations.
bequietdrive
Member
Good news for Rayman. Surprised to see Splinter Cell U above 1%, same with NSFU, although not great, much better then they have been previously performing.
Frankfurter
Member
Pretty sure that every hardware has its hardcore users, but I just don't see why Vita would be a "real" hardcore system. I'd also say it's not unsuccessful enough for the hardcore crowd to really influence the tie ratio enough (it has sold already.. dunno 5 millions worldwide maybe?).
Same here I have like 20 vita games and only 3 retail. People like to call vita niche and failure so wouldn't that mean only the hardest of the hardcore own one thus a high attach rate doesn't seem far fetched. But some just can't stand any positive metrics for their rivals lol.
Prince Vultan
Banned
It did when Ubisoft went out of their way to highlight high digital sales of Assassin's Creed Liberation during their conference call earlier this year. I believe they said it was something like 30% digital of the 600 000+ copies of the game sold at the time. It might not be most, but that's a big slice of the pie.
They do. Nintendo should probably advertise it more.
PSPlus maybe, software is cheap and the (small) userbase buys a lot of games. There are tons of 5-15$ PSP/PS1 games on the store.
Systems can have amazing tie ins when buying games is cheap and easy. Just look at mobile.
frankie_baby
Member
20% i believe
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Deleted member 125677
Unconfirmed Member
I for one am not surprised at the high amount of games sold pr. Vita. It's a niche machine for fans, at least for the time being, with tons of affordable stuff in the psn store.
So we dont know how much of a percentage retail titles are bought via download.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I'd say a two-week exclusive download window for a Zelda game is good advertisement.
Magicpaint
Member
Nintendo also went out of their way to highlight the high digital software sales for Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem. That doesn't mean it suddenly makes sense to extrapolate from that and use it for every other release.
Exactly.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
No not exactly. AC3L sold over a 100K on PSN around of 20% of all total sales. But keep saying useless crap that you can´t prove so you could feel better.
Magicpaint
Member
I'm pretty sure I'm not the one making up crap here. I said I'd be very surprised if Vita games with a retail version sold more digitally (as that nebulous 60% figure of Tretton is being used by people in this thread to suggest as the case), and that AC3L percentage you provided certainly adds evidence to the pile that I am right in my stance. 20% of AC3L is still significantly less copies sold than at retail.
Tizoc
Member
Do you mind explaining why it'd cause such an issue if digital sales were discussed at least in a thread such the PAL Charts or Media Create please?
13% digital sales with more than half of these being from download cards is trully significant
Magicpaint
Member
And even in that case the retail version sold significantly more. Digital sales matter of course, but they do not matter enough to be valid excuses for poor retail sales data atm. This is the argument I'm addressing, straw man will get you nowhere.
source?
shinra-bansho
Member
It's not a matter of poo-pooing digital sales - if by that you mean pretending they don't exist.
They exist. The presence of digital has obviously affected retail.
But they and their impact are generally unquantifiable.
And unless there's actually some sort of data to draw from for actual titles (and no Jack Tretton's nebulous statement isn't that), they really shouldn't be brought up as if they mitigate abysmal sales of any given title or for any platform's software in general.
They exist. The presence of digital has obviously affected retail.
But they and their impact are generally unquantifiable.
And unless there's actually some sort of data to draw from for actual titles (and no Jack Tretton's nebulous statement isn't that), they really shouldn't be brought up as if they mitigate abysmal sales of any given title or for any platform's software in general.
because they render NPD, PAL, etc sales threads increasingly useless.
Hot Coldman
Banned
That's a surprisingly good show from Harvest Moon. Wow.
None.
It's pretty obvious that Tretton was saying 60% of total Vita software sales are digital downloads.
Vita software includes retail games and PSN games, not PS/PSP classics.
And it's not that surprising, considering there probably have been more PSN-only games than retail games released
Because there are no concrete numbers, so it's just seen as baseless speculation.
Indeed. It'll be interesting to see what happens if / when digital overtakes retail, assuming trackers can't / won't provide any data. The top 20 may not actually be the top 20.
but they do mitigate, hence they are brought up. It does make shitting on platforms and laughing at game sales harder, but that is no reason to ignore them.
frankie_baby
Member
while you could be right it doesn't say he's excluding psp/ps1 games so you could be wrong
Isn't that like 99% of GAF though?
Tizoc
Member
...but then how can some devs that release games on Steam, etc. be able to track how much their titles sold?
Surely there's a way to track how much digital copies a game has sold, if retail can be counted up to the actual last digit.
shinra-bansho
Member
If someone can actually point to something for a particular title to show that digital sales mitigate poor software sales at physical retail, more power to them. More info is always welcome.
And is there a broad acceptance that digital sales have diminished physical retail, sure. And do people acknowledge that platforms these days likely make a reasonable portion of their software sales on digital storefronts, sure.
But the thread is about physical retail.
And if one is simply bringing up unquantifiable "digital sales" without anything substantive to accompany it, then I don't really see what exactly that adds.
"Well I bought the Wonderful 101 on the eShop, I bet tons of people did. It probably did way better than people think."
"Sure the Vita's only sold 240K software this year through August in the UK at retail, but really that's more like 500K because of digital and Jack Tretton."
"Well, the 360 version of GTA may have sold better in stores, but we don't know when you factor in digital. The PS3 might be the better selling SKU."
...
We, silly people on internet forums, don't have numbers.
Developers, publishers, vendors and hardware makers obviously have the numbers for digital sales.
All that info exists and is proprietary and valuable. Why would they release that publicly? So forum-types like us can argue about it?
I should stop buying games. When I don't buy a game it does well. When I do buy a game it bombs hard. I'm bad luck.
Tizoc
Member
Err you're not implying that digital sales figures can't be discussed normally like retail or retail sales threads, are you?
the two biggest casual games.
Simple. Smaller install base, the proportion casual/hardcore is inclined towards the later. More sales = more casuals. And they evidently dilute the average.
Twister Flipper
Member
Italy:
1) KINGDOM HEARTS HD 1.5 REMIX (PS3)
2) DIABLO III (PS3)
3) DISNEY INFINITY STARTER PACK (Wii)
4) DIABLO III (Xbox 360)
5) THE LAST OF US (PS3)
6) CALL OF DUTY BLACK OPS II (PS3)
7) LOST PLANET 2 (PS3)
8) SPLIT SECOND VELOCITY (PS3)
9) FIFA 13 (PS3)
10) KINGDOM HEARTS HD 1.5 REMIX - LIMITED EDITION (PS3)
http://www.everyeye.it/multi/notizi...onsole-settimana-dal-9-al-15-settembre_170186
1) KINGDOM HEARTS HD 1.5 REMIX (PS3)
2) DIABLO III (PS3)
3) DISNEY INFINITY STARTER PACK (Wii)
4) DIABLO III (Xbox 360)
5) THE LAST OF US (PS3)
6) CALL OF DUTY BLACK OPS II (PS3)
7) LOST PLANET 2 (PS3)
8) SPLIT SECOND VELOCITY (PS3)
9) FIFA 13 (PS3)
10) KINGDOM HEARTS HD 1.5 REMIX - LIMITED EDITION (PS3)
http://www.everyeye.it/multi/notizi...onsole-settimana-dal-9-al-15-settembre_170186
Parmenides
Banned
Katana_Strikes
Member
Holy shit at the disparity in platforms :O
MrCookiepants
Member
Holy shit, France.
And 77% on PS3 :lol where are the people who said platform specific advertising doesn't work?
And 77% on PS3 :lol where are the people who said platform specific advertising doesn't work?
That's everywhere. They didn't advertise the 360 version at all.
shinra-bansho
Member
GTAV Sales UK+FR
All - 3.35M
PS3 - 1.82M
360 - 1.53M
French attach rates (based on HW LTD through June):
PS3 - 18.6%
360 - 8.0%
Almost 1 in 5 PS3 owners bought GTAV in its first week on sale.
All - 3.35M
PS3 - 1.82M
360 - 1.53M
French attach rates (based on HW LTD through June):
PS3 - 18.6%
360 - 8.0%
Almost 1 in 5 PS3 owners bought GTAV in its first week on sale.