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PAL Charts - Week 9, 2008
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Kill Your Masters
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Lost Odyssey!
CowboyAstronaut
Banned
picsou said:
Honestly.. how many copies have those games sold on the 360? It's nice, but the 360 version of those games can't outsell the ps3 version forever can it?
Bah oh well who cares LOST ODYSSEY CHARTED BABY!
Phife Dawg
Member
Wow, a PSP game.
Didn't think LO would chart so high - a nice success.
Didn't think LO would chart so high - a nice success.
This post needs more conspiracy theories.bcn-ron said:
test_account
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CowboyAstronaut said:
True that the 360 version have most likely sold more copies than the PS3 version, but i guess that is due to a bigger userbase. Technically the 360 versions can outsell the PS3 version of these games all the time since people are picking up 360 consoles every week.
I dont know how much the PS3 versions outsold the 360 versions this week, but if it keeps up it can be a sign that more PS3 consoles are being sold every week compared to 360 consoles. It can also mean that there are other games that people want to pick up on the 360 instead of course, and that PS3 owners will pick up these games instead of some other PS3 games since maybe people think these games are some of the best games thats avalible for PS3.
Kill Your Masters
Member
And DMC4 360 > DMC4 PS3
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Lost Odyssey will be out of the Top 40 next week. You mark my words.
squatingyeti
non-sanctioned troll
picsou said:
Maybe because there were several other games, that charted higher, 360 owners were purchasing instead.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Heaven forbid! 360 owners were buying newly released games! How dare they!squatingyeti said:
Very sad that these are the top wii games:
02 (01) [WII] Mario & Sonic At The Olympic Games (Sega)
10 (05) [WII] Game Party (Midway)
17 (24) [WII] Pdc World Championship Darts 08 (Oxygen Interactive)
20 (13) [WII] Carnival: Funfair Games (Take 2)
24 (04) [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
27 (28) [WII] Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (Nintendo)
29 (__) [WII] Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity (Sega)
02 (01) [WII] Mario & Sonic At The Olympic Games (Sega)
10 (05) [WII] Game Party (Midway)
17 (24) [WII] Pdc World Championship Darts 08 (Oxygen Interactive)
20 (13) [WII] Carnival: Funfair Games (Take 2)
24 (04) [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
27 (28) [WII] Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (Nintendo)
29 (__) [WII] Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity (Sega)
MrNyarlathotep
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Livin_Lovin said:
Just so you know, the 360 LE DMC4 is more than $20 cheaper than the standard edition of DMC4 on PS3
CitizenCope
Member
Do we ever get numbers for units sold on the UK charts?
All the "Yippie Uncharted at #32" but what are these games bringing in at this number?
>10,000?
<1,000?
All the "Yippie Uncharted at #32" but what are these games bringing in at this number?
>10,000?
<1,000?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I know, dude. Someone needs to tell Wii owners to stop buying games. They're messing up our chart.later said:
Seriously, I do not get the hate towards Wii games doing well in these threads.
BrokenSymmetry
Member
I'm really surprised that Frontlines is doing so well. It's a new IP, from an unknown developer, with a very heavy multi-player focus. I did not expect such good sales. The game deserves it, though. Its single-player part is surprisingly substantial, and it has some very nice innovations, like the separation of weapon loadout and specialization role, and the heavily recoil-based aiming.
later said:
Yeah, they're pretty mediocre, but everything else that's worth a damn (Zelda: TP, RE: UC, Super Mario Galaxy, etc.) has already performed extremely well on these charts. Four of those games were just released in the past few weeks. The rest just have extremely long legs that any other game would dream of having.
Phife Dawg
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Well people should buy even more SMG and at least a bit of BWII, but we all know that games that deserve to sell most don't neccessarily do so and vice versa. But there's also stuff like Frontlines, Random Sims expansion, Lost, Fifa Street and Lost Planet so it evens out in the end.cjelly said:
Apart from that M&S, BBA and WiiPlay are all solid games for what they are trying to achieve. BBA could use more puzzles but it's OK for a budget priced game.
While I think the arguments involving "CoD4 PS3 > CoD4 360! But DMC4 360 > DMC4 PS3!" Are silly and such small comparisons aren't really meaningful, I believe we can derive one significant and substantiated point if we collate all these games: whatever magical attach rate advantage the 360 has in the US is not shared in the EU. The 360 still has a sizable LTD lead in the UK, but enough PS3 games are performing as well or better (CoD4, AC, Burnout Paradise all seem to have outperformed their 360 counterparts based on chart positions) to suggest that the PS3 has had at least as good an attach rate since the Christmas season began last year. It's likely had a notably better attach rate than the 360, but since we don't have conclusive numbers, just chart positions, I'll stick with the conservative estimate of "the PS3 is holding its own in regards to an attach rate in the UK."
One could look at this as a win for both camps: the 360 is still selling more software, but the PS3 is, at the very least, matching the 360's attach rate.
One could look at this as a win for both camps: the 360 is still selling more software, but the PS3 is, at the very least, matching the 360's attach rate.
PistolGrip
sex vacation in Guam
Uncharted has some nice legs.
BladedExpert
Member
Number 4 is the new number 1 these days with Mario and Sonic/Brain Training usually dominating the top 3. Its takes a hell of a game to dislodge them. I didnt expect to see Frontlines do this well but quite a few friends (including myself) have been on the demo so i guess its done its job well. +1 GO LOST ODYSSEY
Just to provide logical evidence for the claim I made above, consider these points.
1) The 360 has, approximately, a 2:1 LTD advantage over the PS3 thus far in the UK.
2) Given this, to maintain the same attach rate, the average 360 game would need to sell double the average PS3 game.
3) However, we've seen several major releases -- notably CoD4, Burnout Paradise, and Assassin's Creed -- perform at least as well on the PS3 as 360, if not better, in the UK, based on chart position. This actually would mean the PS3 has twice as high an attach rate for those particular games as the 360 does in that region.
Just to reiterate, this isn't an absolute certainty, since we don't have concrete figures. However, it seems likely to me that the PS3 has at least matched the 360's attach rate in the UK since late November. Given the information above, the PS3 has likely had a better attach rate, but I'm sticking with conservative estimates because we don't have hard figures.
1) The 360 has, approximately, a 2:1 LTD advantage over the PS3 thus far in the UK.
2) Given this, to maintain the same attach rate, the average 360 game would need to sell double the average PS3 game.
3) However, we've seen several major releases -- notably CoD4, Burnout Paradise, and Assassin's Creed -- perform at least as well on the PS3 as 360, if not better, in the UK, based on chart position. This actually would mean the PS3 has twice as high an attach rate for those particular games as the 360 does in that region.
Just to reiterate, this isn't an absolute certainty, since we don't have concrete figures. However, it seems likely to me that the PS3 has at least matched the 360's attach rate in the UK since late November. Given the information above, the PS3 has likely had a better attach rate, but I'm sticking with conservative estimates because we don't have hard figures.
No, not really:Opiate said:
The Xbox 360 version of ‘COD 4’ is huge, claiming 63% of total sales over the formats and is the 11th biggest weekly sell-through ever and second only to ‘Halo 3’ in terms of Xbox 360 titles.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8576549&postcount=101
I know it is just the week of release, but looking at positions:
In the holidays CoD4 sales on X360 obliterated PS3's one.
squatingyeti
non-sanctioned troll
Opiate said:
Oh jesus, not this shit again. Attach rate for X game does NOT scale linearly with HW. If you try to argue differently, you'll only show your complete lack of understanding and future points on sales will have to be ignored.
Pancakes R Us
Member
Is that Mario and Sonic's 6th week at the top this year, or since it came out last year?
Expect Mario and Sonic at ______ this Q4. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Mario + Sonic at Euro 2008 in development
Expect Mario and Sonic at ______ this Q4. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Mario + Sonic at Euro 2008 in development
felipeko said:No, not really:
The Xbox 360 version of ‘COD 4’ is huge, claiming 63% of total sales over the formats and is the 11th biggest weekly sell-through ever and second only to ‘Halo 3’ in terms of Xbox 360 titles.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8576549&postcount=101
I know it is just the week of release, but looking at positions:
In the holidays CoD4 sales on X360 obliterated PS3's one.
While this doesn't fit my specific figure above, this does seem to agree with my general position, though. At a 2:1 LTD hardware advantage, the sales would need to be 2:1, or 66:33. This figure falls right in line with that.
squatingyeti
non-sanctioned troll
Opiate said:
What you're doing wrong is comparing attach rates of X game on two different consoles with a different size install base. Software doesn't scale linearly with hardware sales. If it did, Madden would sell ~22M on the PS2 alone, back a few years ago.
The argument of X console had Y attach rate for Z game compared to the other console is inherently flawed.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
squatingyeti said:
Much of which would be attributed to sheer amounts of titles available for each system. Of course, the gap in amount and quality of games in the respective game libraries is nowhere near as severe between the 360 and PS3 as it was between the PS2 and any of the competing platforms though, so I think this system of yours might be a bit off.
squatingyeti said:
That's a different argument, then. You agree that my math is correct, you just think the entire idea is bad. I'd argue this isn't as true now, because the phenomenon you're pinpointing can be directly attributed to the sheer breadth of the PS2's game library. The 360 does still have the edge in sheer number of games, but especially in the last 3-4 months, it hasn't been nearly as significant, as both systems have gotten nearly every major game (I'd say Mass Effect and Uncharted would be the two "major" exclusives based on sales). It's hard to say how significant a role that plays.
So I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but you must admit we're coming from a very particular point of view. It is the general assumption of most people here that the 360 is a software selling beast, with unheard of, nearly unmatchable attach rates. And in America, that seems to be the case. I absolutely agree that attach rates for individual games tend to go down as install bases go up -- but the 360 seemed to be impervious to that, and in America, has amassed approximately twice the attach rate as the PS3. Think about what that means: not only has it sold over twice as many consoles as the PS3, but it also means every console owner has bought more than twice as many games. That ends up being well over 4x the total software sales!
And that's the point I'm making, here: that trend does not seem to be holding up in the UK. I'm not just talking about a single game over the entire lifespan of these systems: I'm talking only about the last 3-4 months (since late November/early December, in the early stages of last holiday season) and I'm talking about several games, most particularly the biggest multi platform games of the last 3-4 months: Devil May Cry, Burnout Paradise, Call of Duty 4, and Assassin's Creed.
It's my understanding that all four of these games are comparatively selling as well or better on the PS3 than they are on the 360. In the case of Assassin's Creed and Burnout Paradise (But apparently not CoD4), the games are performing significantly better than their 360 counterparts in terms of attach rate. Even a split of 55/45 in favor of the 360 would represent a significantly higher sales rate for the PS3.
It's not conclusive, by any means. I agree with that, and have emphasized it repeatedly. We'd need hard figures for that. But given that the 360 is consistently considered an attach rate beast, I believe it's important to note that it appears as though the PS3 is keeping pace with the 360's software sales in the UK -- and the mere fact that the PS3 might be keeping pace with the 360 is news.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
You're forgetting that these games sold better on 360 for a number of weeks. They were higher up the chart, so they sold better.Opiate said:
And we don't know the difference in sales from one place to another, so for all we know COD4 on 360 could have sold 100,000 in 4 weeks, and now it's dropping down. Where as the PS3 version could have sold 50,000 in 4 weeks, and is only just now outselling the 360 version now that sales of the game are way, way down.
Also: Comparing sales from November and December with sales in February is laughable.
cjelly said:
I'm not forgetting that, I just don't have any way to calculate how significant a difference it makes.
One could argue that the lack of hard figures makes any analysis impossible, and I respect that position. I, however, believe educated guesses can be made, and I've explained why I believe my educated guesses are reasonable. Yes, the situation you've just described for Call of Duty 4 could be true. In that case, my guess would be completely correct, as the figures you just described entirely validate my position.
But if the figures were even more lopsided, at 150k/50k, as an example? Then I would be wrong. Based on the chart positions over the last few months, I think that's unlikely, but it's possible.
lochnesssnowman
Member
Opiate said:
We do have some rough figures for Call of Duty 4 and Assassin's Creed since they launched (from elspa's sales awards - http://www.elspa.com/?i=3943)
Call of Duty 4:
360: More than 600k (but not 1 million)
PS3: More than 200k (but not 300k)
Assassin's Creed:
360: More than 300k (but not 600k)
PS3: More than 200k (but not 300k)
And although this week puts both ahead for PS3, the major damage in sales was done over Christmas.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
So I've just checked ELSPA's sales awards (I believe they were updated just after Christmas) to further enhance the point I was making:
COD4 PS3: Gold (200k)
COD4 360: Double Platinum (600K)
Edit: Beaten. :lol
COD4 PS3: Gold (200k)
COD4 360: Double Platinum (600K)
Edit: Beaten. :lol