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PC Experts please give me some suggestions

Reckheim

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Bonfires Down said:
The 5600/X is also a great value, but the performance increase isn’t that big compared to the 3600X. You might want to try pairing the 3600X with the 4070 for now if you’re fine with 60 fps and see if it’s good enough for you.

The 5600X3D could also be a great option if it’s available to you and you feel the 5800X3D is too much. (I forgot this existed since it doesn’t actually exist in Europe)
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yeh, I put a lot of thought into it last night, i'll pick up the rtx4070, see how it goes and if i need and upgrade on the cpu, i'll just get the 5600x3d as recommended.

You guys ever have to sell graphics cards using kijiji or Facebook market place? do people usually ask to see the card working or can I just give a short description and hope that the person is not a scumbag?
 
S0ULZB0URNE

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StereoVsn said:
How often do people really upgrade CPUs without upgrading the platform? That 14700k will easily last 3-4 years. New AMD platform will be out by then, same with Intel of course.

IMO, most of the time it’s pointless to aim for “longevity “ CPU side unless you are getting a cheap CPU temporarily for budgetary reasons and plan to upgrade in say a year or so.

So yeah, wait till Intel 14 gen benches get released. In some of new games like Cyberpunk 2.0 and Starfield Intel 13th gen already outperforms AMD 7800x3d or is on par.

Heck, I have the AM5/7800x3d combo, it’s a good chip, but it’s worth the waiting couple weeks to see what’s up on Intels side.
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7800x3d wins most of the comparisons that I have seen.

The 14th gen desktop variant isn't out now and could be better than the 7800x3d but the AM5 mobo's will support upgrades that will be best it.

As a consumer who would be buying this year I can't recommend a AM4 mobo/cpu combo nor the 14 gen intel.

This is the route I am taking soon for my build and my sons.
 
cinnamonandgravy

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Freeman76 said:
Had time to digest all this, and thanks everyone for taking time to reply. Saw this in PC world today, what sort of performance would I get?

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Soodanim

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Freeman76 said:
Had time to digest all this, and thanks everyone for taking time to reply. Saw this in PC world today, what sort of performance would I get?

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Even if you were happy to go with a Currys pre-built and accept the additional cost thst comes with it (profit, business costs, etc) and the spec (which naturally takes a hit from a generalist retailer like Currys), what you don't see is the neglect that goes into the parts not advertised. Things like the power supply are often bare minimum to save costs.

Honestly, even if you've never built a PC before set aside 1 day and you'll be fine. There are plenty of guides in video and text form, parts come with manuals, and the cables are essentially "Here's this cable that absolutely won't fit into any other slot", so you can't get most of it wrong.

The only real care you need to take is getting the thermal paste and fan onto the CPU, but again between guides, videos, and manuals you just need to have eyes to not fuck it up.

If you really want to skip the build and are happy to pay the premium for a pre-built (which is fine), you're better off going to a specialist website (or local branch if you're near one) and seeing what they can do for you. You should at least be able to get something that was made with a bit more care and knowledge. Scan have been reliable for me for parts, not sure about their builds.
 
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Freeman76

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Soodanim said:
Even if you were happy to go with a Currys pre-built and accept the additional cost thst comes with it (profit, business costs, etc) and the spec (which naturally takes a hit from a generalist retailer like Currys), what you don't see is the neglect that goes into the parts not advertised. Things like the power supply are often bare minimum to save costs.

Honestly, even if you've never built a PC before set aside 1 day and you'll be fine. There are plenty of guides in video and text form, parts come with manuals, and the cables are essentially "Here's this cable that absolutely won't fit into any other slot", so you can't get most of it wrong.

The only real care you need to take is getting the thermal paste and fan onto the CPU, but again between guides, videos, and manuals you just need to have eyes to not fuck it up.

If you really want to skip the build and are happy to pay the premium for a pre-built (which is fine), you're better off going to a specialist website (or local branch if you're near one) and seeing what they can do for you. You should at least be able to get something that was made with a bit more care and knowledge. Scan have been reliable for me for parts, not sure about their builds.
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I suspected as much. Tbh I had kind of shelved the idea for the time being, and then last night me and my wife were chatting about playing WoW and GW2 together again, and we got hyped and excited so I was like "fuck it i'll go and buy a PC tomorrow and we'll do it". Round where I live there arent many places you can just roll up and buy a decent PC there and then, hence coming across this one, but as you say I'm better off not bothering at all 😂
 
GHG

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Freeman76 said:
I suspected as much. Tbh I had kind of shelved the idea for the time being, and then last night me and my wife were chatting about playing WoW and GW2 together again, and we got hyped and excited so I was like "fuck it i'll go and buy a PC tomorrow and we'll do it". Round where I live there arent many places you can just roll up and buy a decent PC there and then, hence coming across this one, but as you say I'm better off not bothering at all 😂
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Take your time and do it right. Either hand pick the parts and build it yourself (which will give you piece of mind knowing each component is of the required quality), or find a trusted system builder specialist to put something together for you.

Curry's isn't it.
 
Soodanim

Soodanim

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Freeman76 said:
I suspected as much. Tbh I had kind of shelved the idea for the time being, and then last night me and my wife were chatting about playing WoW and GW2 together again, and we got hyped and excited so I was like "fuck it i'll go and buy a PC tomorrow and we'll do it". Round where I live there arent many places you can just roll up and buy a decent PC there and then, hence coming across this one, but as you say I'm better off not bothering at all 😂
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I love the motive. Maybe putting something together is a project you can do as a pair when you source the parts if you're both up for it and don't mind the wait (you could probably get it going by next weekend).

I'm nowhere near a decent shop either, they're too specialist to be worth it in most places. Had to get over going blind for monitors, not a fan of that but sites like Box.co.uk are great with returns
 
MidGenRefresh

MidGenRefresh

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PC experts, please help. I need to replace my aging Intel i7 and want to swap to AMD. My GPU is 4090.

I'm looking for CPU+motherboard+cooling combo that would make sense for someone who plays at 4k.
 
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Rendered Tangent

Rendered Tangent

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OP, it'll take more time, but my advice is spend the next couple of months reading about pc hardware, watching videos, browsing forums etc...

If you do this, I promise you'll know what you want and won't need much advice.

Yes, like I said, it requires more patience - but you'll be learning stuff as you go as well.
 
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DonkeyPunchJr

World’s Biggest Weeb
lmimmfn said:
For £2000 you should easily be able to pickup a better rig than quoted. I spent 2000 euro back in March April for:
Nvidia 4070Ti
7800x3d
Asus X670E(pcie5 gpu and pcie5 nvme support)
32 gig 6400 ddr5(might be 6200)
2TB NVMe
And some other stuff
The prices have dropped dramatically since I built so I would expect the above to be had for 1700euro today.
I didn't need case, PSU, kb, mouse or monitor but definitely a 4800 with the above including case and psu is possible for £2000 easily.
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Everything I’ve read says that 6000 MHZ memory is the “sweet spot” for Zen4

wccftech.com

AMD Confirms DDR5-6000 As Sweet Spot For Ryzen 7000 CPUs, Default FCLK at 1733 MHz & Best Results By Leaving It on Auto

AMD has confirmed that DDR5-6000 will be the sweet spot for Ryzen 7000 CPUs and a Auto Mode for FCLK is recommended for overclocking.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
 
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dEvAnGeL

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For gaming alone AMD CPU's will have an edge most of the time (depends on resolution)

For gaming and productivity Intel CPU's are the way to go.

Any of the new CPU's will be the same at 4k resolutions, which is what the OP is asking for. At this resolution you are GPU bound.

Worry about CPU if you game at 1080p or 1440p (even here is questionable) at very high frame rates.

The rest is just fanboys taking sides.
 
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Dorfdad

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Freeman76 said:
I recently came into some money and I'm thinking about entering into the PC zone. Always been a console gamer, but figured if I can afford it, why not see if I can enjoy my hobby even more with a PC that outperforms my current gen consoles.

Problem is, I dont know where to start. Looked in PC Specialist (i'm in the UK) and was overwhelmed by all the different options, Nvidia, Radeon....i5, i7, just lost me.

Thought I might offer up what I'm looking for and see what you guys might suggest?

Budget around £2.5k

I game solely on an OLED S95B 65" from the couch, primarily using my Elite V2 controller.

Just need something to run the latest and greatest (eg CP2077, Starfield, RDR2, GW2) in 4k with high frames.

Many thanks!
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7950X3D 32GB DDR5 Ram / BEST GPU you can get splurge and get 4090 if you can! Previously owned a 13900k / 4090 and had a lot of issues could not be happier with this purchase.
 
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DonkeyPunchJr

World’s Biggest Weeb
Dorfdad said:
7950X3D 32GB DDR5 Ram / BEST GPU you can get splurge and get 4090 if you can! Previously owned a 13900k / 4090 and had a lot of issues could not be happier with this purchase.
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https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-vs-7950x3d/amp/ if you’re just using it for gaming, it’s hard to recommend the 7950x3D over 7800x3D. 7950 wins in some while 7800 wins others so IMO 7800x3D makes more sense considering it’s much cheaper + 7950 depends on Windows/AMD drivers to handle core parking, which I know is kind of finicky (at least it was at first)
 
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Pippelipeikko

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I have a...

Asus B650-ITX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600 ,DDR5 (32 GB 2 x 16 GB DDR5 6000 MHz) and my "old" RTX 3080, though if ordering new I would use a 4080. All cased in a nice ITX case. I also have a wireless logitech keyb/mouse for those times when you need it. Steam auto starts in big picture mode and everything I've threw at it runs just fine in 4K.
 
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Dorfdad

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Bojji

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Zathalus said:
What is your current budget? Still 2.5k? Do you want to build it yourself? Judging by what you are asking advice on it seems you just want to buy a prebuilt?
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Yeah I don't get it. Prebuilds are shit and overpriced most of the time.
 
PeteBull

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MidGenRefresh said:
Thanks man, I just got all these items and they should be delivered tomorrow so Tuesday/Wednseday I will be upgrading my PC. I need to do a fresh Windows install.

Windows 10? Windows 11?
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go win11, official support for win 10 ends in oct 2025 so not much point to get 10 now only to upgrade in 2 years anyways, ur rig can handle win11 with ease anyways;p
 
Bojji

Bojji

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MidGenRefresh said:
Thanks man, I just got all these items and they should be delivered tomorrow so Tuesday/Wednseday I will be upgrading my PC. I need to do a fresh Windows install.

Windows 10? Windows 11?
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Windows 11 annoyed me for a long time (UI) and I switched back to W10 many times but for a few months now I'm W11 exclusive and I know I won't be going back. They did some dumb decisions but many of them are fixed now, it's a good system and unlike W10 it still has future.
 
Needlecrash

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Freeman76 said:
I recently came into some money and I'm thinking about entering into the PC zone. Always been a console gamer, but figured if I can afford it, why not see if I can enjoy my hobby even more with a PC that outperforms my current gen consoles.

Problem is, I dont know where to start. Looked in PC Specialist (i'm in the UK) and was overwhelmed by all the different options, Nvidia, Radeon....i5, i7, just lost me.

Thought I might offer up what I'm looking for and see what you guys might suggest?

Budget around £2.5k

I game solely on an OLED S95B 65" from the couch, primarily using my Elite V2 controller.

Just need something to run the latest and greatest (eg CP2077, Starfield, RDR2, GW2) in 4k with high frames.

Many thanks!
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RTX 4080 GPU
B650E/X670E Motherboard
32GB of DDR5 RAM
7800X3D Processor
 
Black_Stride

Black_Stride

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Freeman76 said:
Had time to digest all this, and thanks everyone for taking time to reply. Saw this in PC world today, what sort of performance would I get?

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Freeman76 said:
www.rayleighcomputershop.co.uk

Product Page | RayleighComputerShop

www.rayleighcomputershop.co.uk www.rayleighcomputershop.co.uk

How does this one look? Guy who runs the shop said it will play most new games at 4k/60fps, and it wont break my bank

Edit: seems the 3060 is not great
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Both those machines arent worth their weight in shit.

No way a 3060 does 4k60 and the 4060 paired with a 5500 isnt a much better deal.
 
MidGenRefresh

MidGenRefresh

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PeteBull PeteBull

Upgrade went well!!! Installation of that heat sink for CPU cooler was difficult, few millimeters more and it wouldn't fit in my case.

I also had to quickly buy new NVME drive as my old one wouldn't fit in the new socket. I went with Kingston KC3000 2048 GB - SSD internal - M.2 2280 - PCIe 4.0 (NVMe).

Windows 11 looks rather nice.

These are my current specs:

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Now I need to install all the panels back together.
 
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PeteBull

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MidGenRefresh said:
PeteBull PeteBull

Upgrade went well!!! Installation of that heat sink for CPU cooler was difficult, few millimeters more and it wouldn't fit in my case.

I also had to quickly buy new NVME drive as my old one wouldn't fit in the new socket. I went with Kingston KC3000 2048 GB - SSD internal - M.2 2280 - PCIe 4.0 (NVMe).

Windows 11 looks rather nice.

These are my current specs:

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Now I need to install all the panels back together.
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U will be smashing hard, gj and enjoy =D

Edit: Just launched 14900k is still on avg few % worse from ur 7800x3d and eats tons more power/generates way more heat, so u won not only vs 13th intels gen but vs 14th too, and visibly, price/temps/performance wise, win win win ;D
 
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JohnnyFootball

JohnnyFootball

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MidGenRefresh said:
PC experts, please help. I need to replace my aging Intel i7 and want to swap to AMD. My GPU is 4090.

I'm looking for CPU+motherboard+cooling combo that would make sense for someone who plays at 4k.
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The B650E + 7800X3D is really your only worthwhile upgrade if you want to max out that 4090. Get CL30 6000 DDR5.

Pretty much any will do. If you live near a Microcenter, then you can get killer combo deals.


EDIT: The path you went is solid.
 
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