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[BigBadShamoo]

My laptop has no where near the specs of "Master Race" lol. And i dont think I'll ever own a cpu/laptop that ever does, I love consoles too much.

But my god am I having fun playing Ultra Street Fighter 4 on my laptop with a ps3 controller.

 

[Yudoken]

My laptop has no where near the specs of "Master Race" lol. And i dont think I'll ever own a cpu/laptop that ever does, I love consoles too much.

But my god am I having fun playing Ultra Street Fighter 4 on my laptop with a ps3 controller.

You didn't understand it.

Quote form r/pcmasterrace
"You don't need a top-of-the-line gaming PC to be a member of the Master Race. You just have to recognize that PC is objectively superior to consoles in every way possible as explained here!"

Modding USFIV is a lot of fun and the game is way more enjoaybale and fun with it as an example.
You can mod it all you want.
Even this:
http://cdn.vanillaforums.com/shoryuken.vanillaforums.com/editor/67/3ljm6ld1l2is.jpg

 

[Odrion]

If the point he was making was looking something like this, I wouldn't be too surprised if he's met with disdain.

AAAAAAAHHHHH hahahahahahahahaha

Do you see now, BreezyLimbo? You need to be more critical about the red flags in these certain articles. "Oh, it's just one wrong opinion." Except when it's something like... Say, the right to gay marriage, you should start to question the article. A lot of anecdotal experiences in that article. Do you think someone who tries to protect the bigoted status quo by saying "Gay marriage will destroy your freedom" is above lying or misconstruing the truth to also protect it?

 

[jstripes]

It's impressive how outraged people are over a guy writing an editorial that simply says he's not sure he likes a name anymore. Organizing boycott of the magazine, launching investigations into his personal history, doubling down on Nazi flags or whatever. Talk about growing a thicker skin? Maybe look in the mirror holy cow.

Mild criticism? HOW DARE THEY!

Pray that nobody writes a "PC Gaming Is Dead" article.

 

[lifa-cobex]

what in the......!?

I think ppl are taking the pc sub reddit a bit full on its face value.
Are ppl really taking in all the sarcasm and feeling the need to push back?

I mean if your really offended then by all means, go ahead.
But nothing changes. Your still gonna be offended no matter what.
All your doing is drawing light to something that was never an issue.

It's a sub reddit. Nothing to do with gaf. You actively looking for things to piss you off.
If someone uses the term on Gaf.......
So what?
Nothing is gonna happen to you. Your eyes wont fall out or anything.

I have never ever seen anything Nazi related on that sub reddit until this article appeared.

And don't tell me the joke is old and in poor taste because you yourself are implying it's related to certain political agendas.

I bet Ben Yahtzee is pissing himself right now.

Indeed. He's the son of Mr and Mrs Race.

Always putting a smile on my face

 

[BreezyLimbo]

AAAAAAAHHHHH hahahahahahahahaha

Do you see now? You need to be more critical about the red flags in these certain articles. "Oh, it's just one wrong opinion." Except when it's something like... Say, the right to gay marriage (which you seem to not be that caring about, shame on you), you should start to question the article. Oh, a lot of anecdotal experiences in that article. Do you think someone who tries to protect the bigoted status quo by saying "Gay marriage will destroy your freedom" is above lying or misconstruing the truth to also protect it?

Good job you just committed ad hominem, like I said. His argument isn't invalidated just because he has opinions different from your own.

 

[lifa-cobex]

So instead of PC Master Race, Can I say Master PC Race?

 

[Odrion]

Good job you just committed ad hominem, like I said. His argument isn't invalidated just because he has opinions different from your own.

But he is the argument. It's about him and his experiences. He provides no concrete evidence to support his arguments so you're only left to trust him as the narrator of his stories. And this is a guy who, from two separate articles that we know of, tries to get the reader scared that someone is going to steal their freedoms. this one was that gay marriage going to steal it from you, the article your defending is that college liberals will.

And seriously. "GAY MARRIAGE = LOSS OF FREEDOM" is some orwellian bullshit, and he tries to paint liberals "jeering" at his criticisms as a misjustice against freedom.

 

[Lightning Count]

You didn't understand it.

Quote form r/pcmasterrace
"You don't need a top-of-the-line gaming PC to be a member of the Master Race. You just have to recognize that PC is objectively superior to consoles in every way possible as explained here!"

Modding USFIV is a lot of fun and the game is way more enjoaybale and fun with it as an example.
You can mod it all you want.
Even this:
http://cdn.vanillaforums.com/shoryuken.vanillaforums.com/editor/67/3ljm6ld1l2is.jpg

Objectively superior in every way?

No, just no.

Exclusives alone shred this argument.

 

[Cipherr]

Isn't it just a joke? That's taking it way too seriously.

A very old joke at that, one that really gets used rarely now, or by people who don't know its old.

 

[SodiumBenzoate]

So instead of PC Master Race, Can I say Master PC Race?

Not a bad idea, actually

 

[BreezyLimbo]

But he is the argument. It's about him and his experiences. He provides no concrete evidence to support his arguments so you're only left to trust him as the narrator of his stories. And this is a guy who, from two separate articles that we know of, tries to get the reader scared that someone is going to steal their freedoms. this one was that gay marriage going to steal it from you, the article your defending is that college liberals will.

And seriously. "GAY MARRIAGE = LOSS OF FREEDOM" is some orwellian bullshit, and he tries to paint liberals "jeering" at his criticisms as a misjustice against freedom.

You do know that gay marriage isn't legal in Australia, where he's from, right? And that the discussion of gay marriage isn't the main point of the article of his that was first linked here, correct?

Dunno why you're so keen on ad hominem over a single sentence and a different article.

Edit-And I'm officially out of this thread, the topic has run off the course because you kept pursuing it.

 

[Boss Man]

Good grief

If people typing the phrase "PC Master Race" on the Internet makes you uncomfortable, there is absolutely nothing in the world to help you.

 

[BlackJack3]

to add fuel to the fire, ha.

 

[Unbound By Death]

What a huge and serious issue.

 

[Cipherr]

Maybe people don't like being told what they should and shouldn't do.

"PC Master Race" is part of gaming vocabulary and gaming culture at this point. You can't take it away and not expect resistance.

Maybe in the bowels of reddit. It was a joke phrase, that fell out of use a couple of years ago for the most part. There were funny GIFs and GoG/Steam photoshops and shit, but thats pretty far gone now.

Some people on the internet cling to old jokes though.

The article feels contrived and 3 years late to the satire/party. The order of the day lately has been over reactions and exaggerations though, so I can't say I'm that surprised someone went digging in the corners of the internet where "Master Race" is still considered a funny current joke, and then ran back to tell us all about how terrible it is.

 

[lifa-cobex]

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. (at 60fps)

I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. (at a ridiculous resolution)

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (public mod so speech no longer crashes)

Time to die.

 

[thewhitehawk]

Not sure if this has been posted already but:

 

[RooMHM]

Is that guy thinking for a sec. Everybody can join the master race.

 

[saunderez]

Objectively superior in every way?

No, just no.

Exclusives alone shred this argument.

As does fucking around with drivers and trawling the internet hoping someone has the same problem you have when something goes wrong. Much less of that on consoles, I should know I've been PC gaming for the best part of 30 years.

 

[JackDT]

From the author's twitter:

I just woke up and there are over 700 comments on my article from yesterday, and at the same time people saying I'm censoring the comments.

Hi new feed people. So, if you read the thing I wrote: I'm cool with the PCMR joke. It was funny for a little while. Nazis.

I'd just rather PC gaming not be synonymous with Nazi memes, you know?

We've repeated it unironically for so long that it's just becoming our identity—not a one-off joke anymore.

I never said I was "offended" or "outraged," or that jokes are bad, or that you can't say words.

I didn't call for anything to be banned. I suggested that we've chosen a poor way to represent ourselves.

Just noting that, despite its origins, the phrase itself has to do with Nazis.

I didn't tell anyone to be offended, or say I was offended. I think it's a dumb meme.

I think that there are better ways to define ourselves than with an old meme

 

[Odrion]

You do know that gay marriage isn't legal in Australia, where he's from, right?

So what? Excuse my racist uncle, he lives on a farm?

And that the discussion of gay marriage isn't the main point of the article of his that was first linked here, correct?

It's relevant info to the "victimized" character he tries to paint in the article to persuade you and others. "They jeered at my criticisms of gay marriage" Gets people like you to shrug it off (which you did. As I quote from your post earlier: "Edit-Edit-And that if he criticizes something, he might have good reasons for it. Maybe. I haven't heard these arguments. But everything should be free to criticism.") better than "They jeered at me because I tell people that gay marriage will steal their freedoms away."

And you hide behind namedropping 8th grade debate class knowledge. But you know his character is important to his anecdotally based argument because you, yourself, tried to defend it. First with benefit of the doubt, and then with logic that reads: "Well, it's okay that he supports oppressing gay people because gay people are more oppressed there! (what the fuck?!)"

Edit-And I'm officially out of this thread, the topic has run off the course because you kept pursuing it.

Lmao, this thread is dead and you know it. You just backed the wrong horse.

edit: Y'know what? I decided to check his other articles out:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9343712/now-its-the-tranny-state/
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9322502/the-age-of-consent/
http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9283531/a-dark-day-for-australia/

He's a fucking hatemongering scumbag. He's the personification of the audience this XKCD comic is for: http://xkcd.com/1357/ That article isn't about the loss of freedom, it's about a society getting sick of this bigot's shit.

 

[Mister Negative]

Not sure if this has been posted already but:

I find that people who are being offensive whine far more than people that may be offended.

See: most of this thread, most of the PCMR subreddit.

 

[OldAsUrSock]

PC Master Race is just a joke. It is pretty easy to see that it isn't supposed to be seen as an actual superior race of people.

 

[SodiumBenzoate]

The ironic part is that this article probably exposed more people to the term/meme than anything else.

 

[DSN2K]

As a PC gamer of many years I'd have to agree, "Master Race" has never sat well with me. Its not what PC gaming is about. its doing things differently and more tailored to the person. About being different yet together. Master Race also gives the impression of conformity, something PC gaming has no baring to whatsoever.

 

[Odrion]

Also "PC Master Race" is a stupid term, and typing it into a steam chat client should permanently turn your avatar into a fedora.

 

[Oriel]

I prefer PC gaming these days and yet when I see that mentioned I cringe. It does come across as sort of elitist and intimidating to non hardcore gamers like myself who never bother with mods or even online gaming. Yeah, I know....I suck.

 

[Man Called Aerodynamics]

 

[samn]

Not sure if this has been posted already but:

I wish people would stop posting this as if smug Stephen Fry himself has ordered that all discussion be terminated.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Not sure if this has been posted already but:

Looks like he's offended by people who are offended or am I getting that wrong? (English is not my native language)

 

[Odrion]

I don't even get that image anymore. You don't care that people are offended, so fucking what?

 

[thewhitehawk]

I find that people who are being offensive whine far more than people that may be offended.

See: most of this thread, most of the PCMR subreddit.

What I posted goes both ways. I didn't say their actions were excused or non-exaggerated.

 

[thewhitehawk]

Looks like he's offended by people who are offended or am I getting that wrong? (English is not my native language)

Don't worry your English is fine. I'm not offended by anything in this thread, merely pointing out a quote that I strongly feel is immensely adequate for this discussion. I don't think being offended by anything gives someone a right over something, and honestly, given that January is usually a very slow news month for gaming I wouldn't be surprised if this was just something that was cooked up to drive a bit of controversy and page views.

 

[Odrion]

We've all seen this before with the word "retard." Some people claim it's offensive, others either get persuaded by their argument or say "Lol, stephenfry.jpg!." Then, just maybe, that group of people who find it offensive gets big enough that it becomes likely that when people use the word, they'll be thought of as insensitive dillholes. Then said insensitive dillholes write articles or blogposts about how their freedom of speech is being taken away.

tide comes in, tide goes out, the sun sets another day

 

[deltatheta]

Don't worry your English is fine. I'm not offended by anything in this thread, merely pointing out a quote that I strongly feel is immensely adequate for this discussion. I don't think being offended by anything gives someone a right over something, and honestly, given that January is usually a very slow news month for gaming I wouldn't be surprised if this was just something that was cooked up to drive a bit of controversy and page views.

I don't think there are very many people in this thread who are actually offended by the term "PC master race".

And I don't really see how the quote applies at all, because everyone who has a problem with it has been very carefully explaining why the phrase is problematic. They're not just saying "I'm offended".

 

[stump sock]

I wish people would stop posting this as if smug Stephen Fry himself has ordered that all discussion be terminated.

People post that like it's some kind of nail to be driven into a conversation; "it doesn't matter if you're offended."

The context for this was the proposal of a law that could land you in jail for blasphemous acts, even criticizing religion. It's actually a pretty nuanced opinion, in that he's saying he can't support a law that allows punishments based on subjective opinions of "offensive," but could recognize the need for some form of that legal protection.

Guess what caused him to re-evaluate his stance on the matter of blasphemous actions that he's talking about here? Being offended by something.

You don't have any right to tell somebody that they can't be offended by something. At the same time, someone who is offended doesn't have the power to make the person doing the offending stop doing that in many situations.

And I don't really see how the quote applies at all, because everyone who has a problem with it has been very carefully explaining why the phrase is problematic. They're not just saying "I'm offended".

If anything, the people who are saying that it's not a problem are doing a worse job of defending that standpoint.

 

[jstripes]

I don't think there are very many people in this thread who are actually offended by the term "PC master race".

And I don't really see how the quote applies at all, because everyone who has a problem with it has been very carefully explaining why the phrase is problematic. They're not just saying "I'm offended".

Exactly. I'm not offended by it, I just think its current un-ironic usage is kinda dumb.

However, I also understand why people may feel uncomfortable with the term, and it seems many people don't understand or simply don't care.

People don't have to stop using it, although they really should, but they should at least have some sort of grasp of the term's actual meaning if they're going to use it.

 

[jstripes]

People post that like it's some kind of nail to be driven into a conversation; "it doesn't matter if you're offended."

The context for this was the proposal of a law that could land you in jail for blasphemous acts, even criticizing religion. It's actually a pretty nuanced opinion, in that he's saying he can't support a law that allows punishments based on subjective opinions of "offensive," but could recognize the need for some form of that legal protection.

Guess what caused him to re-evaluate his stance on the matter of blasphemous actions that he's talking about here? Being offended by something.

You don't have any right to tell somebody that they can't be offended by something. At the same time, someone who is offended doesn't have the power to make the person doing the offending stop doing that in many situations.



If anything, the people who are saying that it's not a problem are doing a worse job of defending that standpoint.

It's all about the context.

A comedian offending people in order to make valid social commentary is one thing. People labelling their group with a potentially offensive name because "lulz" is another.

It's not that the second shouldn't be allowed, but you should be able to tell that group to grow the fuck up.

 

[Steel]

You do know that gay marriage isn't legal in Australia, where he's from, right? And that the discussion of gay marriage isn't the main point of the article of his that was first linked here, correct?

Dunno why you're so keen on ad hominem over a single sentence and a different article.

Edit-And I'm officially out of this thread, the topic has run off the course because you kept pursuing it.

What the.... So many things wrong with this-

edit: Y'know what? I decided to check his other articles out:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9343712/now-its-the-tranny-state/
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9322502/the-age-of-consent/
http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9283531/a-dark-day-for-australia/

He's a fucking hatemongering scumbag. He's the personification of the audience this XKCD comic is for: http://xkcd.com/1357/ That article isn't about the loss of freedom, it's about a society getting sick of this bigot's shit.

... Yeah I don't think simply bashing my head into the wall is gonna do it for me with this.

PC Master Race is just a joke. It is pretty easy to see that it isn't supposed to be seen as an actual superior race of people.

The fact that people still walk into this thread saying this when if they had read the first two sentences of the god damned article they'd know that the author knows it's a god damned joke.

I obviously realize that no one is actually saying that PC gamers are the preferred people of Hitler. That’s absurd, and it’s supposed to be absurd. It’s a joke.

From the article.


I came into this thread barely caring about the existence of the PC Master Race meme beyond the fact that I thought that it's dumb, it frankly doesn't matter that much to me if the term continues to exist. I leave knowing that there are a lot of people who don't know that Master Race has a pretty obvious connection to Nazi's, that there are a lot of people who will play the victim of "political correctness police" without even reading the first two lines of an article in order to realize that it's just an opinion piece, and to top it all off more than one person actually looked at this

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features...ys-students-want-the-right-to-be-comfortable/

Welcome to the 21st Century.

lovely article without realizing that the author is a bigot who equates the legalization of gay marriage with a loss of freedom among many other things. To top it all off, someone actually runs with this line of thought and says "well, the majority of the world doesn't support gay marriage so there must be something to the article"?

Yeah, I'm out. I don't think my faith in humanity could take more hits than this. Peace.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Not sure if this has been posted already but:

A stupid quote.

Well, not as stupid as PC Master Race thing though.

 

[thewhitehawk]

I don't think there are very many people in this thread who are actually offended by the term "PC master race".

And I don't really see how the quote applies at all, because everyone who has a problem with it has been very carefully explaining why the phrase is problematic. They're not just saying "I'm offended".

I wasn't aiming that image at anyone in particular in this thread. This thread is still about that original article, right?

 

[Morrigan Stark]

lol @ people posting that completely out of context Stephen Fry quote as if it proved a point

 

[chromatic9]

This guy from Tweaktown seems to be a bit overboard with the PC master race thing
http://youtu.be/mgS7fb6Xnfk?t=7m8s

Made me cringe but I'm sure he'd say it was a joke or something if bombarded by questions. Doesn't strike me as tongue in check though.

 

[Rest]

I've always interpreted PC Master Race as a joke, and was not bothered by it at all. What always bothered me is how many PC gamers are arrogant about how they consume the games they play as a passtime. Many of those arrogant gamers seem to use the PC Master Race title without the right amount of irony, and when I started seeing that I started to interact less with anyone that used the joke.

So, I would say it's about time to retire this one. But it will probably outlive us all.

 

[Smash88]

If the point he was making was looking something like this, I wouldn't be too surprised if he's met with disdain.

And that's fine, that's the amazing thing about people being able to speak their mind and freedom of speech. People, as long as it is non-violent, should be allowed to speak out on their beliefs - whether we think it is right or wrong. It's the fact that there are people out there, and this is going back to this whole PC Master Race debacle, who are trying to silence every little thing that is out of the norm (joke or not). People have this sense of entitlement not wanting to get hurt, so they will make sure anything out of the societal norm or the "hivemind" (I hate using that word) is silenced and prevented before it can occur. And I think that is an incorrect way to approach this, heck we can even see some of the more extreme results of this silencing with the incident in France.

lovely article without realizing that the author is a bigot who equates the legalization of gay marriage with a loss of freedom among many other things. To top it all off, someone actually runs with this line of thought and says "well, the majority of the world doesn't support gay marriage so there must be something to the article"?

Yeah, I'm out. I don't think my faith in humanity could take more hits than this. Peace.

I think some of the points he brings up should be taken away from his article rather than completely invalidating his whole opinion because he views certain things against the norm, or what we perceive to be immoral. But then again to each their own.

I dislike his stance on gay marriage, but I still think his overall message with people becoming completely offended by every little thing and as a result are trying to stop it before it happens is an interesting one to look into at least.

Regardless, going back to the original topic of this thread, it is still upsetting to see people get offended by a joke or satire, drawing comparisons to the Fascist mentality and PCMR is a completely ridiculous notion. Anyone with half a brain will understand the whole joke of PCMR if they have been part of gaming culture long enough, and I think that author should know given his profession, but I think this whole thing blew up more than it really should have.

 

[Odrion]

And that's fine, that's the amazing thing about people being able to speak their mind and freedom of speech. People, as long as it is non-violent, should be allowed to speak out on their beliefs - whether we think it is right or wrong. It's the fact that there are people out there, and this is going back to this whole PC Master Race debacle, who are trying to silence every little thing that is out of the norm (joke or not). People have this sense of entitlement not wanting to get hurt, so they will make sure anything out of the societal norm or the "hivemind" (I hate using that word) is silenced and prevented before it can occur. And I think that is the incorrect way to approach this, heck we can even see some of the more extreme results of this silencing with the incident in France.

You do realize that freedom of speech extends to everyone, right? If you say something bigoted and stupid, society can call you a stupid bigot. That's freedom of speech, that's harmony.

edit: or hey this comic again let's just post this comic forever:

 

[Smash88]

You do realize that the freedom of speech extends everyone, right? If you say something bigoted and stupid, society can call you a stupid bigot. That's freedom of speech, that's harmony.

Of course. But the problem I'm referring to is when people try to silence or get rid of anything they perceive as incorrect, offensive, etc...

EDIT: Just saw your comic edit, and yes I agree with your points, but it's when people try to silence any offending idea, either through censorship or through violent action (i.e. the France incident). Albeit the whole PC Gamer article isn't that extreme, it's almost like a call to arms for people to feel offended by this inconsequential joke or piece of satire because it somehow offends him.

You know what I do if I don't like something, I avoid it, I move on and continue doing my thing.

 

[Odrion]

Of course. But the problem I'm referring to is when people try to silence or get rid of anything they perceive as incorrect, offensive, etc...

EDIT: Just saw your comic edit, and yes I agree with your points, but it's when people try to silence any offending idea, either through censorship or through violent action (i.e. the France incident). Albeit the whole PC Gamer article isn't that extreme, it's almost like a call to arms for people to feel offended by this inconsequential joke or piece of satire because it somehow offends him.

You know what I do if I don't like something, I avoid it, I move on and continue doing my thing.

Let me ask, what do you mean by silence? Sounds like you mean that a large group of people being angry and vocal at someone saying "PC Master Race" would be silencing them, and thus a violation of the freedom of speech.

But it's not, it's the same sort of shit that falls under freedom of speech. A society through discourse self determining what is and isn't offensive... Isn't that the ideal way to handle things while respecting the freedom of speech? Isn't the wish that people who were offended by "PC Master Race" wouldn't speak up about it and instead "continue doing their thing" is a wish against their freedom to speak? A wish for silence?

You know what I do if I don't like something, I avoid it, I move on and continue doing my thing.

That's very fortunate that you are in that position to avoid harassment or offensive slurs. But the thing is a lot of people can't.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Of course. But the problem I'm referring to is when people try to silence or get rid of anything they perceive as incorrect, offensive, etc...

EDIT: Just saw your comic edit, and yes I agree with your points, but it's when people try to silence any offending idea, either through censorship or through violent action (i.e. the France incident). Albeit the whole PC Gamer article isn't that extreme, it's almost like a call to arms for people to feel offended by this inconsequential joke or piece of satire because it somehow offends him.

You know what I do if I don't like something, I avoid it, I move on and continue doing my thing.

How on earth do people like you keep equating criticism to the systematic silencing of opinions?

If people bring to attention that a line of thought is repugnant, and a dialogue occurs which results in general opinion that said thought is wrong, that's not censorship, that's free speech in action.