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It actually is.....Nope its not that easy.
It actually is.....Nope its not that easy.
I "pc game" since 1997 and generally all the issues may seem "easy or non existent" to us since we grew with windows 95, dos and so on.
I stayed on 98 for way too long since I did not want to give up native dos heheI never entertained Windows 95 back in the day. I used to game on Windows NT Workstation 4.0. It was the best operating system bar none at the time, rock solid, no messing about with janky DOS underpinnings and my PC running it rewarded me with countless hours of seamless gaming fun.
Just curious, what games do you like?To be fair EA did you a real favor not letting you activate Alice, Madness Returns. It's hands down one of the worst games I've ever played, and I've played Persona 5. It starts off well. It looks purty and everything but it doesn't take too long before you realize that it controls like shit, there's no real change in gameplay and it's so badly designed every death feels cheap as fuck. It's the only game, apart from Persona 5, that I've hate finished. I refused to let the cheap bosses, shitty physics and bad levels beat me. The guy who developed it should be forced to watch Persona 5's cut scenes for the rest of his life
The fact you say you feel sorry for someone and then talk about how you obviously have more knowledge makes me feel sorry for you since you think you are better then others because you play on pc.i always feel sorry when i see coments like these. Because i know thats a person who fancies himself a gamer, yet missed out on the platform that always had the best games, that forged nearly every genre we play today and has the best inputs to play games. I know that person is a gamer who barelly scratched the surface of gaming. Damn shame
Heh, it's funny that you mention launch issues with X570 and reference it with another platform that had launch issues, Sandy Bridge and the Intel 6 series boards (like P67 and H67), which had to be recalled. The Intel Chipset Design Error, which would cause the SATA ports to degrade over time, impacting performance/functionality.-Then there are all the hardware issues and problems. I use computers my whole life and I grew to hate them despite still buying the latest gear (it's a love/hate relationship ) For examplke, x570 launch was a disaster. I had to exchange motherboards and install new bios every week... and only now pc boots as fast as it did on 2500k in 2012.
I remember living with my room mate for 2 years, he had a gaming pc was a decent one of that, what was mine was his but id play on his pc from time to time and with what op said is mainly what put me off having one, 60fps and over is fine but im also cool with 30fps on my shitty xbox one, doesnt bother me and mods, man mods really dont make that much of a difference that some pc gamers like to make put, yeah there is some great addons but overrall the game is still the same (i do miss mods that add extra quests and what not) but even getting mods to work is a pain, im happy being a console scrub for the rest of my life even though i get an urge from time to time and want to play age of empires and starcraft 2 thoughI've been playing mostly on PS5/Switch these past few months, but I always come back for some sweet PC gaming and this was the weekend to do so and catch up on some older games from my backlog. Boy, did this not go as planned:
Alice 2: Madness Returns
Couldn't even get past the activation phase. It requires an EA account but my Origin one doesn't work. Then it asks for the product key but it says my PC is offline before I can enter it. Looking at the steam forum I'm not alone...I'm sure there's a fix around or I could just crack it, but I kinda gave up for now, let's move on to something else....
Dragon Age 2
Surprisingly it works, but there's some sort of weird visual glitch where scenery in the distance and blood on the ground and my character disappears and reappears, pretty distracting. I thought I solved it playing with the settings but it's still there. Gotta hunt for a fix later, but all that tweaking took me out of the mood for now. Let's see what else there is to play.
American Truck Sim
The game itself works great as always but.....I installed it again after a few months and my juicy 50 hour save......is gone. I didn't bother backing it up locally because it was supposed to be on the steam cloud, but it's not......Yay. Not starting up again from scratch, let's move on.
Metal Gear Rising
What could possibly go wrong here? It seems to run great at first, yet something feels really off, the camera is very jerky. For whatever reason it caps at 59fps instead of 60. Sounds like something minor, but boy does it feel fucking annoying. Again I'm not alone looking at the steam forums. I tried locking it in Nvidia control panel with no luck, not sure I can be bothered any further, it seems to be a bug that doesn't happen to everyone, goodbye for now.
Sebastian Loeb Rally
Had tons of stuttering at first. Fixed it by disabling in-game Vsync and enabling it from nVidia control panel. Good so far, but yet another issue arises. The game seems to have problems with input devices. Half the times I start the game up, the controller doesn't work during races. Need to close the game and start it again hoping it will work this time. About 50 /50 chances I'd say. looking around, it seems you need to disable as many input devices on your PC as you can....Yeah, as if.
Jade Empire
Old release, I was expecting issues but it's much worse. The game downright doesn't start. Apparently the default .exe steam uses is wrong and you need to run it from inside the game folder from a different .exe. Whatever, I've seen worse today. Game rans at 60fps, yet it feels like 15, completely unplayable. Looking around once again, of course it's not just me. I found several fixes I had to apply to the .ini file but nothing worked for me. After an hour I gave up.
Sunset Overdrive
You can imagine I was pretty pissed at this point so I thought I'd go with a recent game with an even more recent PC port. Surely this will work? The game greets me with a screen saying my save is corrupted...yet it's my first time installing it, what save? "Let's move on" I said. Created a new save file and it runs great at 60fps maxed out and I find myself having a good time, finally. 15 minutes later it crashes. "Surely it's just a coincidence" I thought as I started it back up. Again greeted by a screen about a corrupted save, though my save is there and it works. 10 minutes later crashes again. I found an alleged fix on the steam forum, yet I don't even have the energy to try it at this point.
This isn't an exaggeration for comedic effect, this truly happened today. I've lost 5 hours of my weekend doing nothing, so you realise I had to vent. I'm not looking for fixes in the replies, I'm sure they are out there but I can't even be bothered at this point. I think the most infuriating part is thinking of people on forums like this, saying how everything just works on PC these days. SOME stuff might, but wer'e not quite there yet. I'm sure there'll be the usual "it's your PC dude the games are fine" and to be fair my gaming PC is getting pretty old, but most of the above issues are game specific as they seem to be shared by many people. There are several games I don't have any issues with, but having to roll dice every time you buy something is just wrong.
Anyway, if you made it this far into this rant thanks and I hope you had better luck than me today.
Nope its not that easy.
I'm having some fuckery with GTA IV pc now.
I try PC gaming once every 2 years and it is always pure shit like this. When you explain it to people, they tend to tell you that it is your fault because PC IS AWESOME LOLZ.I've been playing mostly on PS5/Switch these past few months, but I always come back for some sweet PC gaming and this was the weekend to do so and catch up on some older games from my backlog. Boy, did this not go as planned:
Alice 2: Madness Returns
Couldn't even get past the activation phase. It requires an EA account but my Origin one doesn't work. Then it asks for the product key but it says my PC is offline before I can enter it. Looking at the steam forum I'm not alone...I'm sure there's a fix around or I could just crack it, but I kinda gave up for now, let's move on to something else....
Dragon Age 2
Surprisingly it works, but there's some sort of weird visual glitch where scenery in the distance and blood on the ground and my character disappears and reappears, pretty distracting. I thought I solved it playing with the settings but it's still there. Gotta hunt for a fix later, but all that tweaking took me out of the mood for now. Let's see what else there is to play.
American Truck Sim
The game itself works great as always but.....I installed it again after a few months and my juicy 50 hour save......is gone. I didn't bother backing it up locally because it was supposed to be on the steam cloud, but it's not......Yay. Not starting up again from scratch, let's move on.
Metal Gear Rising
What could possibly go wrong here? It seems to run great at first, yet something feels really off, the camera is very jerky. For whatever reason it caps at 59fps instead of 60. Sounds like something minor, but boy does it feel fucking annoying. Again I'm not alone looking at the steam forums. I tried locking it in Nvidia control panel with no luck, not sure I can be bothered any further, it seems to be a bug that doesn't happen to everyone, goodbye for now.
Sebastian Loeb Rally
Had tons of stuttering at first. Fixed it by disabling in-game Vsync and enabling it from nVidia control panel. Good so far, but yet another issue arises. The game seems to have problems with input devices. Half the times I start the game up, the controller doesn't work during races. Need to close the game and start it again hoping it will work this time. About 50 /50 chances I'd say. looking around, it seems you need to disable as many input devices on your PC as you can....Yeah, as if.
Jade Empire
Old release, I was expecting issues but it's much worse. The game downright doesn't start. Apparently the default .exe steam uses is wrong and you need to run it from inside the game folder from a different .exe. Whatever, I've seen worse today. Game rans at 60fps, yet it feels like 15, completely unplayable. Looking around once again, of course it's not just me. I found several fixes I had to apply to the .ini file but nothing worked for me. After an hour I gave up.
Sunset Overdrive
You can imagine I was pretty pissed at this point so I thought I'd go with a recent game with an even more recent PC port. Surely this will work? The game greets me with a screen saying my save is corrupted...yet it's my first time installing it, what save? "Let's move on" I said. Created a new save file and it runs great at 60fps maxed out and I find myself having a good time, finally. 15 minutes later it crashes. "Surely it's just a coincidence" I thought as I started it back up. Again greeted by a screen about a corrupted save, though my save is there and it works. 10 minutes later crashes again. I found an alleged fix on the steam forum, yet I don't even have the energy to try it at this point.
This isn't an exaggeration for comedic effect, this truly happened today. I've lost 5 hours of my weekend doing nothing, so you realise I had to vent. I'm not looking for fixes in the replies, I'm sure they are out there but I can't even be bothered at this point. I think the most infuriating part is thinking of people on forums like this, saying how everything just works on PC these days. SOME stuff might, but wer'e not quite there yet. I'm sure there'll be the usual "it's your PC dude the games are fine" and to be fair my gaming PC is getting pretty old, but most of the above issues are game specific as they seem to be shared by many people. There are several games I don't have any issues with, but having to roll dice every time you buy something is just wrong.
Anyway, if you made it this far into this rant thanks and I hope you had better luck than me today.
Well I regret going ryzen... amd platform sucks ass. To this day there are usb problems and stuff just not working because it's on amd...Heh, it's funny that you mention launch issues with X570 and reference it with another platform that had launch issues, Sandy Bridge and the Intel 6 series boards (like P67 and H67), which had to be recalled. The Intel Chipset Design Error, which would cause the SATA ports to degrade over time, impacting performance/functionality.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/4142/intel-discovers-bug-in-6series-chipset-begins-recall
I haven't had issues with my X570 board, but I waited a bit to buy one. I did the same back in 2011 and waited until after the recall was over/fixed boards were out before I bought a P67 board and 2600K.
I agree with your post, I just thought that it was funny.
I try PC gaming once every 2 years and it is always pure shit like this. When you explain it to people, they tend to tell you that it is your fault because PC IS AWESOME LOLZ.
Thankfully I manage to balance both at the moment. I used to be PC only, but that's not the ideal setup for me any longer. Consoles to get away from the frustrations of PC gaming, PC gaming to get away from the limitations of console gaming. Usually it works fine other than the occasional bad day where everything falls apart, much like the one that prompted the creation of this thread.I feel you, it can certainly have it's moments. If it ever gets to be too much, well, only you can decide whether the wild and crazy hot chick is worth putting up with all of her emotional baggage or if you'd rather stick with the homely, even-keeled girl for a more stable relationship.
It's ok, we still like you.TLDR
It is okay if you use it all the time.How come the PC is the biggest gaming platform in the world then, outside mobile ? Since its so ripe with issues and you need to be a rocket scientist to handle it ? Couldnt it be that the issues arent in fact that prevalent ? And for every person who somehow only has issues there are 100 thousand who dont have issues ?
It is okay if you use it all the time.
I can turn on my MegaDrive after 2 months without using it, I won't have to deal with a ton of software, game and driver updates (that sometimes won't even trigger automatically).
It is okay if you use it all the time.
I can turn on my MegaDrive after 2 months without using it, I won't have to deal with a ton of software, game and driver updates (that sometimes won't even trigger automatically).
There is demonstrably nothing like what you're saying.
See, I had predicted it.When you explain it to people, they tend to tell you that it is your fault because PC IS AWESOME LOLZ.
This is an important point. Homeboy was even playing games from the OG Xbox era. He refused to divulge his specs or receive assistance troubleshooting, and feels his time is better spent here complaining about the platform.The 360/PS3 era was kinda rough for PC. All of those games had to ported from ground up since the 360/PS3 and PC all had different architecture. A lot of those games just aren't programmed well, don't have modern resolutions or high frame rate, crash or have some kind of glitches. The exception being pretty much anything from Ubisoft. For whatever reason, they were super forward thinking and even games like Assassin's Creed 1 supports 1440p, 4k and high frame rates. It looks great even to this day.
Other than that, I honestly don't experience any issues. I played and beat a ton of games last year on PC and never had a single crash or weird issue. It's not like the old days anymore where you have to worry about drivers or compatibility. Things just work. If it doesn't work, it's likely a programming problem and the same thing can and does happen on consoles. I've honestly had more crashes and freezes on console than I've had on PC in recent years.
I think OP is just dealing with some older games and few older DRM issues that most developers have learned their lessons from and don't use anymore. I keep a 360 around and connected to my PC monitor specifically for older games that might have problems or are just more trouble than they are worth to get running on a modern PC.
This is a console gaming forum first and foremost. Even the PC gamers here will generally own at least one console.For an enthusiast forum Neogaf and reset era are so clueless in average regarding pc gaming...
It's like being a music enthusiast and listening to top 40 radio only.
I try PC gaming once every 2 years and it is always pure shit like this. When you explain it to people, they tend to tell you that it is your fault because PC IS AWESOME LOLZ.
Not really, that's literally not what he said; he said you are exaggerating, which is true.See, I had predicted it.
I only have a gaming laptop...
I'd never game on a laptop full-time.
See, I had predicted it.
That's the time lost starting your PC game to see it crash without any explanation for the first time. After 5 minutes, you barely know the problem you have. Of course, you are going to launch the game a couple more time, just to see...5 minutes
That’s too bad. I’ve only had one issue since I started using X570 in 2019 and a bios reset fixed it.Well I regret going ryzen... amd platform sucks ass. To this day there are usb problems and stuff just not working because it's on amd...
I mean, the power is great but cmon amd
It would have taken you longer to type this post then put your exact problem into Google to fix it. The majority of games work just fine. Old games might not be compatible with Win10. Console games might just have a bad port. Sometimes it's something simple in the settings others you'd need a fan patch. Either way you can find your solution very easy.That's the time lost starting your PC game to see it crash without any explanation for the first time. After 5 minutes, you barely know the problem you have. Of course, you are going to launch the game a couple more time, just to see...
And these 5 minutes only occur after potentially several hours of updating Steam and Games, if you haven't played in one or two years and have my internet connection.
So I already lost something like 2 hours getting updated to see the games crash. That's when I start looking stuff on google, and realize "Ah shit, I have to update my drivers, this is a PC after all !"
Then you go to Device Management and search for "Update driver" but it never finds anything automatically. So you search for whatever tools you might have that are supposed to handle this for you (as a ton of stuff is always installed) but haven't for no clear reason, and you install them. 1 hour later, shit is installed but the games are still crashing. Oh noes....
That's because what was automatically installed is not good. Did you even think about updating the software that checks your driver's statuses ? PC can be so meta. Still does not work anyway.
So you search for your Graphics Card brand. WTF is it already ? Can't remember. Why would I even want to know this... Ah yes, it was written in Device Management. Now time to search the internet.
Which website is the right one ? This one ? They don't have a support or download page. Probably because it is hidden somewhere. My PC is old, where are the downloads for me ? Hidden somewhere in legacy pages and shit. Roam around the website to eventually download a 500 MB file that is not the right one. Fuck. After loosing another hour, I eventually get the another installer that might be the right one, can't be sure. Now I am going to install this stuff and reboot.
Damn, Windows is not booting correctly anymore.
What are the shortcuts to boot in Safe Mode ? Should I use whatever Restore Point to see if is solves stuff ? Lose a couple more hours to understand why the drivers did not work. On an even more hidden page, that you are browsing in 640x480 16 colors (or whatever the resolution is, maybe 800x600), very convenient, find some other drivers. Install them. Wow, my Windows now starts correctly.
Now let's launch the game. Yeah it runs !.... like shit. Why ? My PC can't be that bad...
Oh yeah, this is PC, I need to check the Recommend Specs... WTF ? 8 GB of RAM to run Streets of Rage 4, which looks like a Dreamcast game ? Well I can't do anything about it, so let's play with a shit framerate and have the experience I deserve as a PC gamer.. when my controller will accept to work correctly, that is.
Should I start talking about problem using games from the Windows Store or whatever you call it ?
This was a true story, happened to me recently when I wanted to play games with friends during the lock-down.
We never got Gear 5 to run correctly between Series and PC either. Streets of Rage 4 was okay, but we had a good number of crashes. To have microphone working, my PC friend always have to create the group. If I do this, it won't work. Everything is sooooo simple
At least, PSO2 works fine (Xbox/PC). But we did not manage to use the games features for the microphone lol... So we use the Xbox live microphone feature...
That's the time lost starting your PC game to see it crash without any explanation for the first time. After 5 minutes, you barely know the problem you have. Of course, you are going to launch the game a couple more time, just to see...
And these 5 minutes only occur after potentially several hours of updating Steam and Games, if you haven't played in one or two years and have my internet connection.
So I already lost something like 2 hours getting updated to see the games crash. That's when I start looking stuff on google, and realize "Ah shit, I have to update my drivers, this is a PC after all !"
Then you go to Device Management and search for "Update driver" but it never finds anything automatically. So you search for whatever tools you might have that are supposed to handle this for you (as a ton of stuff is always installed) but haven't for no clear reason, and you install them. 1 hour later, shit is installed but the games are still crashing. Oh noes....
That's because what was automatically installed is not good. Did you even think about updating the software that checks your driver's statuses ? PC can be so meta. Still does not work anyway.
So you search for your Graphics Card brand. WTF is it already ? Can't remember. Why would I even want to know this... Ah yes, it was written in Device Management. Now time to search the internet.
Which website is the right one ? This one ? They don't have a support or download page. Probably because it is hidden somewhere. My PC is old, where are the downloads for me ? Hidden somewhere in legacy pages and shit. Roam around the website to eventually download a 500 MB file that is not the right one. Fuck. After loosing another hour, I eventually get the another installer that might be the right one, can't be sure. Now I am going to install this stuff and reboot.
Damn, Windows is not booting correctly anymore.
What are the shortcuts to boot in Safe Mode ? Should I use whatever Restore Point to see if is solves stuff ? Lose a couple more hours to understand why the drivers did not work. On an even more hidden page, that you are browsing in 640x480 16 colors (or whatever the resolution is, maybe 800x600), very convenient, find some other drivers. Install them. Wow, my Windows now starts correctly.
Now let's launch the game. Yeah it runs !.... like shit. Why ? My PC can't be that bad...
Oh yeah, this is PC, I need to check the Recommend Specs... WTF ? 8 GB of RAM to run Streets of Rage 4, which looks like a Dreamcast game ? Well I can't do anything about it, so let's play with a shit framerate and have the experience I deserve as a PC gamer.. when my controller will accept to work correctly, that is.
Should I start talking about problem using games from the Windows Store or whatever you call it ?
This was a true story, happened to me recently when I wanted to play games with friends during the lock-down.
We never got Gear 5 to run correctly between Series and PC either. Streets of Rage 4 was okay, but we had a good number of crashes. To have microphone working, my PC friend always have to create the group. If I do this, it won't work. Everything is sooooo simple
At least, PSO2 works fine (Xbox/PC). But we did not manage to use the games features for the microphone lol... So we use the Xbox live microphone feature...
Maybe you're just a bit of a dongThat's the time lost starting your PC game to see it crash without any explanation for the first time. After 5 minutes, you barely know the problem you have. Of course, you are going to launch the game a couple more time, just to see...
And these 5 minutes only occur after potentially several hours of updating Steam and Games, if you haven't played in one or two years and have my internet connection.
So I already lost something like 2 hours getting updated to see the games crash. That's when I start looking stuff on google, and realize "Ah shit, I have to update my drivers, this is a PC after all !"
Then you go to Device Management and search for "Update driver" but it never finds anything automatically. So you search for whatever tools you might have that are supposed to handle this for you (as a ton of stuff is always installed) but haven't for no clear reason, and you install them. 1 hour later, shit is installed but the games are still crashing. Oh noes....
That's because what was automatically installed is not good. Did you even think about updating the software that checks your driver's statuses ? PC can be so meta. Still does not work anyway.
So you search for your Graphics Card brand. WTF is it already ? Can't remember. Why would I even want to know this... Ah yes, it was written in Device Management. Now time to search the internet.
Which website is the right one ? This one ? They don't have a support or download page. Probably because it is hidden somewhere. My PC is old, where are the downloads for me ? Hidden somewhere in legacy pages and shit. Roam around the website to eventually download a 500 MB file that is not the right one. Fuck. After loosing another hour, I eventually get the another installer that might be the right one, can't be sure. Now I am going to install this stuff and reboot.
Damn, Windows is not booting correctly anymore.
What are the shortcuts to boot in Safe Mode ? Should I use whatever Restore Point to see if is solves stuff ? Lose a couple more hours to understand why the drivers did not work. On an even more hidden page, that you are browsing in 640x480 16 colors (or whatever the resolution is, maybe 800x600), very convenient, find some other drivers. Install them. Wow, my Windows now starts correctly.
Now let's launch the game. Yeah it runs !.... like shit. Why ? My PC can't be that bad...
Oh yeah, this is PC, I need to check the Recommend Specs... WTF ? 8 GB of RAM to run Streets of Rage 4, which looks like a Dreamcast game ? Well I can't do anything about it, so let's play with a shit framerate and have the experience I deserve as a PC gamer.. when my controller will accept to work correctly, that is.
Should I start talking about problem using games from the Windows Store or whatever you call it ?
This was a true story, happened to me recently when I wanted to play games with friends during the lock-down.
We never got Gear 5 to run correctly between Series and PC either. Streets of Rage 4 was okay, but we had a good number of crashes. To have microphone working, my PC friend always have to create the group. If I do this, it won't work. Everything is sooooo simple
At least, PSO2 works fine (Xbox/PC). But we did not manage to use the games features for the microphone lol... So we use the Xbox live microphone feature...
You wrote so many bullshit that shows that you have no idea what you are doing or dont´t even have pc. Stick to consoles because it is a must for you.That's the time lost starting your PC game to see it crash without any explanation for the first time. After 5 minutes, you barely know the problem you have. Of course, you are going to launch the game a couple more time, just to see...
And these 5 minutes only occur after potentially several hours of updating Steam and Games, if you haven't played in one or two years and have my internet connection.
So I already lost something like 2 hours getting updated to see the games crash. That's when I start looking stuff on google, and realize "Ah shit, I have to update my drivers, this is a PC after all !"
Then you go to Device Management and search for "Update driver" but it never finds anything automatically. So you search for whatever tools you might have that are supposed to handle this for you (as a ton of stuff is always installed) but haven't for no clear reason, and you install them. 1 hour later, shit is installed but the games are still crashing. Oh noes....
That's because what was automatically installed is not good. Did you even think about updating the software that checks your driver's statuses ? PC can be so meta. Still does not work anyway.
So you search for your Graphics Card brand. WTF is it already ? Can't remember. Why would I even want to know this... Ah yes, it was written in Device Management. Now time to search the internet.
Which website is the right one ? This one ? They don't have a support or download page. Probably because it is hidden somewhere. My PC is old, where are the downloads for me ? Hidden somewhere in legacy pages and shit. Roam around the website to eventually download a 500 MB file that is not the right one. Fuck. After loosing another hour, I eventually get the another installer that might be the right one, can't be sure. Now I am going to install this stuff and reboot.
Damn, Windows is not booting correctly anymore.
What are the shortcuts to boot in Safe Mode ? Should I use whatever Restore Point to see if is solves stuff ? Lose a couple more hours to understand why the drivers did not work. On an even more hidden page, that you are browsing in 640x480 16 colors (or whatever the resolution is, maybe 800x600), very convenient, find some other drivers. Install them. Wow, my Windows now starts correctly.
Now let's launch the game. Yeah it runs !.... like shit. Why ? My PC can't be that bad...
Oh yeah, this is PC, I need to check the Recommend Specs... WTF ? 8 GB of RAM to run Streets of Rage 4, which looks like a Dreamcast game ? Well I can't do anything about it, so let's play with a shit framerate and have the experience I deserve as a PC gamer.. when my controller will accept to work correctly, that is.
Should I start talking about problem using games from the Windows Store or whatever you call it ?
This was a true story, happened to me recently when I wanted to play games with friends during the lock-down.
We never got Gear 5 to run correctly between Series and PC either. Streets of Rage 4 was okay, but we had a good number of crashes. To have microphone working, my PC friend always have to create the group. If I do this, it won't work. Everything is sooooo simple
At least, PSO2 works fine (Xbox/PC). But we did not manage to use the games features for the microphone lol... So we use the Xbox live microphone feature...
No thanks. I upgrade every 5/6 years and it only costs me around 300$, that's why I play on consoles. Why would I spend more for a more annoying experience on PC ?Upgrade.
Well the real answer is you're a bit inept. There you go. Your description of how you go about installing driver updates, need an hour to do it and somehow still manage to download the wrong shit really is telling. You're either exaggerating, lying, or eighty five years old and too slow to use a PC.Typical PC master race answers. You can indeed dismiss people that tell you they had problems with you favorite piece of hardware, sure. But still doesn't mean it did not happen.
When people tell my they have problems with their Xbox, MegaDrive or whatever, I provide real answers.
No thanks. I upgrade every 5/6 years and it only costs me around 300$, that's why I play on consoles. Why would I spend more for a more annoying experience on PC ?
Typical PC master race answers. You can indeed dismiss people that tell you they had problems with you favorite piece of hardware, sure. But still doesn't mean it did not happen.
When people tell my they have problems with their Xbox, MegaDrive or whatever, I provide real answers.
No thanks. I upgrade every 5/6 years and it only costs me around 300$, that's why I play on consoles. Why would I spend more for a more annoying experience on PC ?
This is an important point. Homeboy was even playing games from the OG Xbox era. He refused to divulge his specs or receive assistance troubleshooting, and feels his time is better spent here complaining about the platform.
Verdict: Busted
PC gaming is easy if you are not a complete retard.
These are the replies I live for. "Retard", "busted", or that guy that said I had an agenda? Yeah man, I work for the enemy and I got paid for this thread, all those things I listed in detail are totaly just made up. Saying you encoutered issues in a PC game is like offending some people. I deliberately didn't list my specs. Saying you have issues and listing your PC specs in an enthusiast forums triggers 99% of reponses to focus on them and tell you to upgrade, even though these are known issues that have nothing to do with hardware specs.
You are ignoring the answers where people are reafirming that you are trying to play mediocre ports from an era where PC was an afterthought and a few so called AAA devs didn't give a damn about making sure their shit worked. These games are the exception and not the rule, and I really really doubt your word that you had all these issues in such little time. FWIW, I have all those games in your OP minus one, I think, and could just, for shits and giggles, install them right now and see if I even have one single problem of the ones you said you had. But I'm kinda tired and ready for my bed. Maybe tomorrow.These are the replies I live for. "Retard", "busted", or that guy that said I had an agenda? Yeah man, I work for the enemy and I got paid for this thread, all those things I listed in detail are totaly just made up. Saying you encoutered issues in a PC game is like offending some people. I deliberately didn't list my specs. Saying you have issues and listing your PC specs in an enthusiast forums triggers 99% of reponses to focus on them and tell you to upgrade, even though these are known issues that have nothing to do with hardware specs.
Not ignoring them, I just don't really agree with them. This fits for Alice and Rising I guess, everything else though is a pretty recent release. Even Jade empire which is the oldest of the bunch was only a few months ago released on steam, apparently without anybody testing even if the launcher they included targeted the correct .exe in order for the game to launch.You are ignoring the answers where people are reafirming that you are trying to play mediocre ports from an era where PC was an afterthought and a few so called AAA devs didn't give a damn about making sure their shit worked.
I can't do anything about you or anybody else believing me, but what's the alternative? I have an agenda and I strive for the demise of PC gaming one thread at a time? It was a bad experience and I was venting as I've said multiple times, no reason to see anything beyond that.and I really really doubt your word that you had all these issues in such little time. FWIW, I have all those games in your OP minus one, I think, and could just, for shits and giggles, install them right now and see if I even have one single problem of the ones you said you had. But I'm kinda tired and ready for my bed. Maybe tomorrow.
I am probably stupid yeah. Obviously, I did not want to succeed, I did everything on purpose to fail. My goal was to be able to play some games with friends (whatever the games really, anything that worked was fine), some of which were actually suffering quite a bit from being alone in their flat during the lock-down. But yeah, I was not trying.Well the real answer is you're a bit inept. There you go. Your description of how you go about installing driver updates, need an hour to do it and somehow still manage to download the wrong shit really is telling. You're either exaggerating, lying, or eighty five years old and too slow to use a PC.
Not calling you stupid, just maybe not very... gifted in regards to computer stuff. Which is fine, but I guarantee that there has *never* been a game I had on PC which I have not somehow gotten to work, and you only having browsed the web or writing Word documents on it doesn't make a PC "forget" how to play games.I am probably stupid yeah. Obviously, I did not want to succeed, I did everything on purpose to fail.
Great insight anyway, thanks a lot.
Do you actually happen to have, in your life, wanted to play video-games on a PC that was never used for this, and that had been used for other stuff for 2 or 3 years ? How unbelievable can it be that things don't go smoothly in this situation ?
So because there's one publisher who puts a fifteen year old game on Steam without investing money into compatibility tests with current hardware all of PC gaming sucks?Even Jade empire which is the oldest of the bunch was only a few months ago released on steam, apparently without anybody testing even if the launcher they included targeted the correct .exe in order for the game to launch.
Please point out where I said that all of PC gaming sucks? I've been gaming on PC for 20 years, if it sucked I wouldn't have at all. What I did say was that it can be infuriating sometimes, much like the day I made the thread and I justified why it was for me. I did not make any general statements about the platform, please don't confuse me with the people that came here just to shit on PC or those that got triggered and started shitting on consoles. Personally I play on all platforms that have games worth playing and each platform has its own strengths and weaknesses.So because there's one publisher who puts a fifteen year old game on Steam without investing money into compatibility tests with current hardware all of PC gaming sucks?
Probably not stupid, but your story is just full of holesI am probably stupid yeah. Obviously, I did not want to succeed, I did everything on purpose to fail.
Why would anyone do this? Why not go into your gpu control panel and click "search/update drivers"?Then you go to Device Management and search for "Update driver" but it never finds anything automatically
It's also right there when you right click on your desktop. What are these extra hoops you're jumping through?So you search for your Graphics Card brand. WTF is it already ? Can't remember. Why would I even want to know this... Ah yes, it was written in Device Management. Now time to search the internet.
the brand name +.com? Like if you know the brand why wouldn't that be your first instinct?Which website is the right one ? This one ?
Most of the main sites, nvidia.com/amd.com/intel.com have autodetect systems:My PC is old, where are the downloads for me ? Hidden somewhere in legacy pages and shit. Roam around the website to eventually download a 500 MB file that is not the right one.
This sounds like your install/pc was already fundamentally broken to begin with, or you downloaded something wrong.Damn, Windows is not booting correctly anymore.
...how old is your pc? 8GB hasn't been adequate for quite a bit, if you had less than that, then well shit, sounds like your hardware is pure garbage.Now let's launch the game. Yeah it runs !.... like shit. Why ? My PC can't be that bad...
Oh yeah, this is PC, I need to check the Recommend Specs... WTF ? 8 GB of RAM
This doesn't sound like a pc or console problem, but a networking problem; check your ports.We never got Gear 5 to run correctly between Series and PC either. Streets of Rage 4 was okay, but we had a good number of crashes. To have microphone working, my PC friend always have to create the group. If I do this, it won't work.
Well my PC certainly is a bit old (must be maybe 5 or 6 years old, wow...), but I don't see why I would not be allowed to play some Left 4 Dead on it. I don't like the idea of getting rid of "outdated" stuff, this adds even more to the wasted resources of the planet.Probably not stupid, but your story is just full of holes
Why would anyone do this? Why not go into your gpu control panel and click "search/update drivers"?
Or even go into windows update and click "search for updates?"
It's also right there when you right click on your desktop. What are these extra hoops you're jumping through?
the brand name +.com? Like if you know the brand why wouldn't that be your first instinct?
Most of the main sites, nvidia.com/amd.com/intel.com have autodetect systems:
This sounds like your install/pc was already fundamentally broken to begin with, or you downloaded something wrong.
...how old is your pc? 8GB hasn't been adequate for quite a bit, if you had less than that, then well shit, sounds like your hardware is pure garbage.
I mean c'mon man, even the original xbox one from 2013 has 8gb of ram.
This doesn't sound like a pc or console problem, but a networking problem; check your ports.
Not more infuriating than being locked to 20~30fps on tons of games with enormous input lag, with shitty/old resolution, bad IQ, bad motion blur/DoF/CA/Film grain, can´t choose the best controller for each gender, have to pay to play online while its free on pc, can´t use SkyUi mod on Skyrim (the most infuriating vanilla UI on a game), etc...Please point out where I said that all of PC gaming sucks? I've been gaming on PC for 20 years, if it sucked I wouldn't have at all. What I did say was that it can be infuriating sometimes, much like the day I made the thread and I justified why it was for me. I did not make any general statements about the platform, please don't confuse me with the people that came here just to shit on PC or those that got triggered and started shitting on consoles. Personally I play on all platforms that have games worth playing and each platform has its own strengths and weaknesses.