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[Danny Dudekisser]

jesus fucking christ, nobody is arguing that things couldn't be better; please learn to follow the discussion.

you came along and took issue with me pointing out that the statement "the pc has a poor range of games" is generally indicative of the fact that the person making the statement has narrow preferences which aren't well represented on the platform, because it's objectively true that the pc has the widest and most diverse range of games of any system (if only because of perpetual backwards compatibility).

the point has sailed past you apparently.

No, I just suggested that having a diverse range of games doesn't particularly matter when some genres are composed of pretty poor examples of the genre. That kind of statement doesn't mean I have narrow tastes, it means that I don't really see genres being represented by bad games as a victory of any sort.

 

[Tallshortman]

Yes, Frog me.

Playing more games on PC than on any other system, but having the audacity to suggest things could still be better is clearly trolling. It doesn't matter that I've bought a couple hundred games on Steam in the last few years. It doesn't matter that I also have consoles, so I've got a good idea what's out there on all the various platforms. It doesn't matter that I think the PC's better at a lot of things than the consoles. No, the problem is that I disagreed with you guys on something.

Wait. No, sir. Frog you.

Oh geez, this guy has a COUPLE HUNDRED PC GAMES. His position is unassailable. It really doesn't matter what your "credentials" are when your basic point is incorrect from a factual standpoint.

PS: The vast majority of us also own consoles and are entirely aware of whats available on them.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

Yes, Frog me.

Playing more games on PC than on any other system, but having the audacity to suggest things could still be better is clearly trolling. It doesn't matter that I've bought a couple hundred games on Steam in the last few years. It doesn't matter that I also have consoles, so I've got a good idea what's out there on all the various platforms. It doesn't matter that I think the PC's better at a lot of things than the consoles. No, the problem is that I disagreed with you guys on something.

Wait. No, sir. Frog you.

Wasn't your first post on the lines of "PC games don't have genre diversity"?

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Oh geez, this guy has a COUPLE HUNDRED PC GAMES. His position is unassailable.

It suggests I'm not entirely uneducated about the platform, but please -- be an asshole about it.

Wasn't your first post on the lines of "PC games don't have genre diversity"?

It was that I understand where people who think the platform lacks diversity are coming from, to be precise.

 

[Serialxp]

Bullshit, you obviously haven't played Skyrim or Max Payne 3 on a 7970 or 680 yet.

A have played them in a 570, they are the console games with better IQ and framerate.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

It was that I understand where people who think the platform lacks diversity are coming from, to be precise.

Got it.
But such claim sounds a bit uninformed to be honest.
You talk about prime examples of a particular genre not being on the PC, and regarding some exclusives you may be right; but simply you can't dismiss a platform with 25+ years of games on its backlog. There will be something to play for anyone.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

c'mon, I said "for example."

For a more complete list, I would argue:

Character action
JRPGs
SRPGs
Fighters
Shmups (Jamestown is not an asset to the PC)
Rhythm
Puzzle
Platformers/side-scrolling actioners

I don't know what "character action" means - is this Devil May Cry / Bayonetta? Because most consoles this gen are hardly bursting with similar titles. Best version of DMC4 is on the PC though.

JRPGs, well, you have Y's, Recettear, Last Remnant, Chantelise, Fortune Summoners, and a bunch of Eastern style MMOs. It's not like JRPGs have been well represented on anything except the DS this gen.

SRPGs is a hilarious choice, because the PC is the birthplace of the genre (unless you exclude anything that isnt Tactics Ogre / FFT / Fire Emblem as a SRPG); you've got everything from the grand daddy of them all Xcom, up through your various Heroes Of Might and Magic , King Arthur Roleplaying game and Kings Bounty games, and depending on your niche the PC specific turn based combat of Dragon Age: Origins and a shitload of SRPG mods for Civilization.

Fighters, again, a genre not exactly well represented on consoles either this gen, but you have SF4, MvC3, SFvT, Guilty Gear, Blaz Blue... that's a decent fucking representation!

Shmups, again, not exactly the most released genre on consoles either this gen, and not one I'm particularly bothered about, but these guys seem to have a pretty wide selection going.

Rhythym games? Well, you've got official releases of the DJ Max games, Guitar Hero 3, and I'm pretty sure there were some PC DDR releases. Going into the clone games territory you have stuff like Frets On Fire, and then of course you have the music hybrid stuff like Symphony, BeatHazard and Audiosurf.
Again, pretty niche genre thats pretty well represented on PC.

Puzzle games on PC? Jesus, go to Newgrounds or Kongregate. If there's a genre that ISN'T under represented on the PC its puzzle games. Puzzle games are a staple of 'my first game' from independents. Well, that and...

Platformers / sidescrolling action games. I mean, you must be actually deliberately and wantonly choosing not to see titles released to not see how many of these are around.
Indie platformer with retro graphics is almost a meme at this point in time.

Yes, games in these genres exist, but the offerings are pretty limited. And while there are quite a few platformers when you factor in indie games, there aren't a whole lot of genuinely great games to be had.

Well sure, if your selection criteria is "exclude all games that prove me wrong, and define genuinely great games as games also or only available on console" then the Pc has nothing.

 

[delta25]

Having next gen consoles on the horizon makes me happy, having current gen systems with games like Halo 4 and The Last of Us makes me equally just as happy.

 

[tci]

And the thread title states why wait for next gen consoles. And this is my answer. I know I'm coming off as a noob here but I'm 35. I've been Playing games on the PC since middle school and really after the tech wars when Nvidia came in and Id and Epic were battling with engines pushing everyone requirements up I bowed out.

I loved the original Xbox because it was the promise of games with PC depth but Console ease of use that spoke to me. The PC depth part has been lost now but I will only go back occassionally.

And another dumb thing why doesn't Mass effect or Amnesia have controller support????

Well, you don't have to wait. Next gen is already here on the PC. And have been sine 2007. Graphic wise.

I'm 30 and have been playing games sine I was 5, on the Atari 2600 and NES. I started playing on consoles. Then I discovered PC gaming. Well, never looked back. Sure I got the consoles now and then, but PC is still superior in many ways. And it is not as difficult as many console owners seems to think.

Sure it is much easier to play games on consoles. But there as so many good RTS and RPG games that will never appear on consoles because of limitations.

 

[Kelegacy]

That initial investment keeps me from joining the master race. Yeah, I could do it incrementally but I could just buy a next Gen console. It's a cycle I would love to break one day.

But $400 or $500 for a console isn't far from the price of a good PC. And after a few console games you will hit that PC price range. Yes, initial cost might be a bit more but since April I have purchased over 200 games for the PC and all for the price of a few console games. The game prices on PC offset the hardware price difference so quickly that it becomes MUCH cheaper to game on a PC in no time at all. Plus, it does more than just games.

Couple it with a controller and wireless KB/m and out have the best gaming can offer on your couch. I haven't touched a console in over 4 months..and a ton of console games exist in the best version on PC.

 

[imotep]

And you are the reason that PC gaming is a niche.

Yeah, clearly niche.

 

[Raonak]

hardware isn't the bottelneck. It's the software.
When next gen starts, it'll cause developers to use more of the hardware.


Since i've totally ditched desktops, and run a linux laptop. consoles are my source of gaming.
Actually, hopefully the vita is more successful, becuase thats my most played platform these days.
I find i like handheld gaming more. easier to pick up and play. useful if you have limited time.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

No, I just suggested that having a diverse range of games doesn't particularly matter when some genres are composed of pretty poor examples of the genre. That kind of statement doesn't mean I have narrow tastes, it means that I don't really see genres being represented by bad games as a victory of any sort.

such as..?

 

[triggaz]

Well, you don't have to wait. Next gen is already here on the PC. And have been sine 2007. Graphic wise.

I'm 30 and have been playing games sine I was 5, on the Atari 2600 and NES. I started playing on consoles. Then I discovered PC gaming. Well, never looked back. Sure I got the consoles now and then, but PC is still superior in many ways. And it is not as difficult as many console owners seems to think.

Sure it is much easier to play games on consoles. But there as so many good RTS and RPG games that will never appear on consoles because of limitations.

And easier trumps all else. No one is arguing tech. The pc isn't standard so anyone can upgrade and have a game run better. That doesn't make it better. This has become a matter of preference and the market clearly states which preferred.

 

[D3RANG3D]

And easier trumps all else. No one is arguing tech. The pc isn't standard so anyone can upgrade and have a game run better. That doesn't make it better. This has become a matter of preference and the market clearly states which preferred.

For you, I'll take customization over what the unwashed masses like.

 

[Boss Man]

Even if next-gen consoles never look as good or better than current high-end PC graphics (they will), I still want Sony and Nintendo's first party games, all of the games that don't end up being ported to PC, and I don't want to spend $1,000.

 

[jaypah]

For you, I'll take customization over what the unwashed masses like.

Unwashed masses? Really?

 

[delta25]

have you ever noticed that when someone says "the pc has a poor range of games" they're nearly always actually saying "I have extremely narrow taste in games"?

out of curiosity do you like anything console exclusive?

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Unwashed masses? Really?

let's be honest, lots of gamers don't wash.

 

[dekline]

PC has been my way to game of choice since '04. There's nothing like building your own pc. So fun. The only problem for me is it can get too expensive sometimes.

 

[lastplayed]

I'm a PC and Xbox gamer. I'm not holding out for anything.

 

[revolverjgw]

A have played them in a 570, they are the console games with better IQ and framerate.

I agree, so much so that I thought that guy was being sarcastic or something... some PC gamers just really really value frames and res. A LOT. They can basically literally measure the graphics in those terms. For me, MP3 maxed (or close enough) on my PC was a less impressive and dynamic visual experience than the last two PS3 Uncharteds, all things considered. This is not next-gen shit, it's better looking 7th gen console games.

Not that I haven't dreamt about playing a Naughty Dog game in 1080p60fps, I mean, shit. That would be amazing.

 

[lexi]

My whole life I've been platform agnostic. I've owned just about every console, and gamed on PCs since the IBM XT.

It's mostly been swings and roundabouts, excellent games everywhere, and both console and PC games mostly kept pace with each other throughout the years.

That has not been the case this generation. This generation of consoles were outdated within a year of the launch, and the Wii was outdated on Day 1. The experience on PC is just beyond what I'm able to get on a console. Steam has brought all the benefits and innovations of console gaming to the PC, yet there has been no effort to bring any of the positives from PC gaming to consoles, and it really doesn't look like Sony, MS or Nintendo care.

 

[Speevy]

I'm sort of half-dipping my foot in the PC pool right now.

It works out because my machine isn't powerful enough for high-end graphics, and generally speaking, I shy away from the kinds of games for which high-end graphics are intended.

My PC experience has been mostly indie and I couldn't be happier.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

I dont see the PC having a poor range of games.....


and the Wii having the best games of this generation... I am not even going to bother commenting on that.

If you are not into Dudebro Shooters, there is some truth to that.

I had a Wii and a PS3 this gen, and for me the Wiis library was superior.


It all depends on what your preferences in games are.

 

[Sentenza]

If you are not into Dudebro Shooters, there is some truth to that.

No.

 

[Speevy]

The PSN alone cancels out a good portion of the Wii's library.

Granted, there are some games like Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 which are arguably better than anything this generation, but the rest of it just doesn't stack up.

 

[Sibylus]

So long as consoles continue to be a wasteland for strategy games*, I'll be an inveterate PC gaming diehard. My PC is held together with love and the blue moon upgrade, but I get so much out of it. There are definite ways to make it a readily affordable hobby (provided you can settle).

Spoiler

*Though there seems to be decent TBS representation, that's only one itch I like to scratch. RTSes and ARTSes form a massive chunk of my PC gaming time, and there's no equal to Civ IV or V on consoles as TBS goes (afaik).

 

[danmaku]

Fighters, again, a genre not exactly well represented on consoles either this gen, but you have SF4, MvC3, SFvT, Guilty Gear, Blaz Blue... that's a decent fucking representation!

PC only has SF4 and SFxT. Marvel doesn't exists on PC, Guilty Gear is an old outdated version (#Reload) and BlazBlue is an old version too. Now who's uninformed?

 

[Longshot]

If you are not into Dudebro Shooters, there is some truth to that.

Are you really implying that PCs have more dudebro shooters than consoles? I dare you to put a 16 year old console only gamer in front of a PC running ArmA, Project Reality of Red Orchestra 2, I'd hardly call those "dudebro".

 

[D3RANG3D]

PC only has SF4 and SFxT. Marvel doesn't exists on PC, Guilty Gear is an old outdated version (#Reload) and BlazBlue is an old version too. Now who's uninformed?

You are missing GG isuka that's also available on PC who's uninformed now

 

[danmaku]

You are missing GG isuka that's also available on PC who's uninformed now

Yeah, I left it behind because it's terrible and it's not a traditional fighting game like the other ones I was talking about. Would've been better to remind me of Melty Blood, a game that was so good that started on pc and was ported to consoles and even arcades later. There are also some other indie fighters, like Vanguard Princess and the Umineko game, but they are very very niche and I doubt there's a community for them outside of Japan.

 

[xenist]

Please tell me that the range of genres on the PC hasn't become a main subject of discussion here. The PC? Where literally every genre of game from "click on the cow until it goes moo" for three-year-olds, up to Crusader Kings 2, has its own valid place? This makes as much sense as an argument as saying that consoles are technically superior.

 

[dekline]

Please tell me that the range of genres on the PC hasn't become a main subject of discussion here. The PC? Where literally every genre of game from "click on the cow until it goes moo" for three-year-olds, up to Crusader Kings 2, has its own valid place? This makes as much sense as an argument as saying that consoles are technically superior.

This. PCs have it all.

I never would have thought that some people think PCs are "lacking" in the game department.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

out of curiosity do you like anything console exclusive?

Nintendo games. but I emulate.

 

[D3RANG3D]

Yeah, I left it behind because it's terrible and it's not a traditional fighting game like the other ones I was talking about. Would've been better to remind me of Melty Blood, a game that was so good that started on pc and was ported to consoles and even arcades later. There are also some other indie fighters, like Vanguard Princess and the Umineko game, but they are very very niche and I doubt there's a community for them outside of Japan.

You forgot dong dong never die!

 

[danmaku]

You forgot dong dong never die!

lol, ok I give up.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Honestly I prefer games coming out in the PC but at the same time I wouldn't mind handhelds for on-the-go gaming.

With that said I really don't care much, but I also laugh at hypocrites who prefer the "HD twins" for their superiority, then mocking the Wii due to "power and graphics", and then not preferring the PC.

 

[Corky]

I think people can argue back and forth for ages regarding this and still people will see the pc platform as some weird anachronistic gaming platform.

All I know is this :

- out of my 300-400 steam games I'll be able to play 99.99% of them on my next pc, and the next one, and the one I have in 10 years.

- out of all my current ps3 games ( if rumors are true ) I'll be able to play 0 of them on ps4 12+ months from now.

The fact that the pc is ubiquitously and perpetually ( to a degree ofc, things like operating systems can prove to be hinders but that can be circumvented ) backwardscompatible is something that, considering the amount of games released, becomes exponentially more important for every year that passes.

 

[Eideka]

The fact that the pc is ubiquitously and perpetually ( to a degree ofc, things like operating systems can prove to be hinders but that can be circumvented ) backwardscompatible is something that, considering the amount of games released, becomes exponentially more important for every year that passes.

Very good point.

 

[Sibylus]

Also rather significant in my view is the sheer dearth of player-produced content and modding support in the console space. I've gotten so much value out of player-created campaigns, games, mods, and by way of doing these things myself... this is something the console space has thus far failed across the board at coming even close to replicating. Hard to be excited for peanuts you have to fork over your pennies and dollars for when you can dine upon feast after feast at no additional charge. Similar distaste with the online service: the expectation is to pay through the nose for fewer options, at times poorer service, and to be at the whims of a publishing house with regard to the longevity of their games' multiplayer services. I should be elated to pay for that privilege?

 

[wazoo]

The fact that the pc is ubiquitously and perpetually ( to a degree ofc, things like operating systems can prove to be hinders but that can be circumvented ) backwardscompatible is something that, considering the amount of games released, becomes exponentially more important for every year that passes.

A nice thread would be to list PC games that are lost forever. I think the list is quite short (pretty much any 80-90s) games are playable. I had problems with Nocturne and HomeWorld2, and that's it for my own experience.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

The PSN alone cancels out a good portion of the Wii's library.

Granted, there are some games like Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 which are arguably better than anything this generation, but the rest of it just doesn't stack up.

Well, it all boils down to personal taste, over which arguing is time better spent on something else.

For me playing

* Zack & Wiki
* Mario Galaxy I & II
* Excite Truck
* Mario Kart Wii
* Lost Winds
* Zelda Twilight Princess
* Wii Sports

was a bigger and more fun experience than the games I got on PS3, where my highlights were

* Journey
* Limbo
* Costume Quest
* El Shaddai and
* Street Fighter IV
* Demons Souls

I was disappointed with all the "core games" some people here like so much, like Assassins Creed, GTA4, Mirrors Edge or even Metal gear Solid.

I think me, who was raised with colourful and abstract video games in the early 80ies, just prefers the bright and abstract experiences Nintendo has to offer up to this day.

It's just a personal preference, no way I'd say that one library is superior to another consoles one.

It's just, for me and my point of view, the WIIs library was the best this gen has to offer.

Your mileage may and will vary.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Watch dogs is about what we can probably expect at the beginning of next gen...the demo looked better than anything currently on PC, including Crysis 2 in my opinion. Most of the big PC games have been designed to be scalable across different system specs and console versions...the baseline will move up with next gen consoles.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Still, it's showing that in order to be colorful and creative, you have to be a download game for the HD twins, with a very handful of exceptions.

 

[Conor 419]

This. PCs have it all.

I never would have thought that some people think PCs are "lacking" in the game department.

I certainly would, it seems like the vast majority of the best titles are console prioritised. Relying on consoles to boost the PC's library through emulation is also atrocious.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Still, it's showing that in order to be colorful and creative, you have to be a download game for the HD twins, with a very handful of exceptions.

If that's what you want to read from my little lists, you are free to do so...

 

[xenist]

I certainly would, it seems like the vast majority of the best titles are console prioritised. Relying on consoles to boost the PC's library through emulation is also atrocious.

Console exclusive games I'd might have tried if they were on PC:

Uncharted, I guess? There must be more but nothing comes up right now. No big loss either way.

 

[SuicideUZI]

If it weren't for exclusives like Halo and anything Naughty Dog releases I'd pretty much be done with consoles. At this point I prefer playing everything on PC, even smaller games like Braid and Limbo.

I could see the draw consoles have for social gamers tho because Xbox Live is for the most part a better online multi-player system than whats available for PC

 

[Ledsen]

I certainly would, it seems like the vast majority of the best titles are console prioritised. Relying on consoles to boost the PC's library through emulation is also atrocious.

There's no need to boost the library with emulated titles. They're simply hundreds of extra games on top of the hundreds of games I already have on my PC. I don't have to choose, I basically have everything.