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psorcerer

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1. PC had SSD for years, we don't need to improve anything!
Shattered by RTX IO: specific hw/sw solution to solve the IO problem.

2. PC have beefy CPUs to decompress anything!
Shattered by RTXIO: otherwise 24 CPU cores are needed at full speed just to decompress 7->14GB/sec.

3. PC have huge RAM pools, all assets are loaded into RAM. No need for fast SSD streaming.
Shattered by miniscule VRAM upgrades and RTX IO, NV seems to think that using SSD as a VRAM extension is viable.

4. RDNA2 RT cores are a bolt-on solution. Turing RT is superior!
Shattered by the mention that Compute/Graphics pipelines cannot run in parallel with RT on Turing and Ampere fixes it. RDNA2 had it all along.

Anybody has other examples?
 
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The Nvidia hardware engineers were probably shaking their heads reading all of the SSD downplaying online from their brethren, knowing they were working on a fix themselves at the same time.
 
It's ok, we will let you have one thread where you can let your imagination run wild.

Be free!

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That's good, I think.

No idea what any of it means, unfortunately.

If someone could explain the OP in layman's terms that would be great.
 
I don't know what's going on. Is OP saying that current PC's are trash and the new consoles shit on them? I was thinking the 3080/3090 is beast..?
 
PCMR narratives shattered back in the day (late 90s, early 2000s):

1) 3D accelerators are pointless, Intel's MMX will render it obsolete.

2) T&L is a fad, all we need is stronger CPUs for vertex processing (that's what 3Dfx said... and their fanboys ate it all up!)

Feel free to add more. :)
 
Negotiator said:
PCMR narratives shattered back in the day (late 90s, early 2000s):

1) 3D accelerators are pointless, Intel's MMX will render it obsolete.

2) T&L is a fad, all we need is stronger CPUs for vertex processing (that's what 3Dfx said... and their fanboys ate it all up!)

Feel free to add more. :)
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Nope nope nope!
Let's not go there!
I can probably get to a 100 item list if we start from 3dfx. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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psorcerer said:
2. PC have beefy CPUs to decompress anything!
Shattered by RTXIO: 24 cores are needed at full speed just to decompress 7->14GB/sec.
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If not mistaken, you need a 24 core cpu if you got no RTXio capable GPU. With one of the newer series, it only needs 0.5 cores (which sounds dumb, but that´s their claim).

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King Harkinian said:
If not mistaken, you need a 24 core cpu if you got no RTXio capable GPU. With one of the newer series, it only needs 0.5 cores (which sounds dumb, but that´s their claim).
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Yup. That's correct.
What I'm saying is that the original claim was that acceleration is not needed, beefy PC CPUs can do it fast enough.
P.S. Changed the messaging to make it clearer?
 
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drotahorror said:
I don't know what's going on. Is OP saying that current PC's are trash and the new consoles shit on them? I was thinking the 3080/3090 is beast..?
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Unreleased plastic boxes suddenly less shiny than unreleased rgb-laden graphics cards.

On point 3 - I have to wonder how much regret there will or will not be when cards with double VRAM density are available. Pending availability from micron.
 
psorcerer said:
Yup. That's correct.
What I'm saying is that the original claim was that acceleration is not needed, beefy PC CPUs can do it fast enough.
P.S. Changed the messaging to make it clearer?
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Anybody that stated that is a idiot, it would always be done on the GPU side if they cared for it and take a minor hit in performance.

Also PC still has massive ram pools.
 
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Kenpachii said:
Anybody that stated that is a idiot, it would always be done on the GPU side if they cared for it and take a minor hit in performance.
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You know what's the problem with that?
The same problem that you cannot just load texture from HDD into VRAM.
You need to call DX12 to do it. Because texture setup commands are different between GPUs of different vendors, and tiling is different, and compressed formats are different too.
When DirectStorage comes out we will see how they solved for it. I suspect: game installation will recombine all assets. Hope it will be faster than "shader recompilation".
 
Stuart360 said:
Jesus. Talk about trying to look for positives from a negative situation.
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This idea that one platform outdoing another is a negative for anyone is so silly. PS5/XSX pusing SSD stuff forward was no more a negative for PC gamers than NVIDIA upping the ante is a negative for console owners. We want these things to constantly move forward.
 
psorcerer said:
You know what's the problem with that?
The same problem that you cannot just load texture from HDD into VRAM.
You need to call DX12 to do it. Because texture setup commands are different between GPUs of different vendors, and tiling is different, and compressed formats are different too.
When DirectStorage comes out we will see how they solved for it. I suspect: game installation will recombine all assets. Hope it will be faster than "shader recompilation".
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Everything is software mate. Even nvidia's IO improvements.

It's always funny how people get tricked so easily for nvidia's PR. U can already see how the idiots in the 3000 nvidia card OT are mass ordering those shitty as GPU's without a future. Because nvidia dropped i/o and some shitty comparisons that made them all hyped.

I can't wait for the topics: I bought a 800 buck nvidia card 1-2 years ago and my game stutters because not enough v-ram? wtf pc gaming is expensive u do got to upgrade every year.

Guess what i will be doing, posting this in those topic.

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Guess those 2080ti buyers are feeling pretty fucking retarded right now for buying into the 1200+ dollar dream that gets beated a year later by a budget 3060 card that probably ships for sub 400. Oh wait they didn't announce one yet because even jensen probably couldn't get it over his heart for all those whales that bought into the dream but ended up bankrolling his ferrari.

I will wait for the real cards to arrive for half the price once AMD drops a nuke on the those cards with RDNA2.

Anyway your started post is kinda embarrassing.
 
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Seems like saltiness is also one kind of narrative. Especially since yesterdays nVidia reveal. There's no sleep for some of you obviously.
 
psorcerer said:
1. PC had SSD for years, we don't need to improve anything!
Shattered by RTX IO: specific hw/sw solution to solve the IO problem.

2. PC have beefy CPUs to decompress anything!
Shattered by RTXIO: otherwise 24 CPU cores are needed at full speed just to decompress 7->14GB/sec.

3. PC have huge RAM pools, all assets are loaded into RAM. No need for fast SSD streaming.
Shattered by miniscule VRAM upgrades and RTX IO, NV seems to think that using SSD as a VRAM extension is viable.

4. RDNA2 RT cores are a bolt-on solution. Turing RT is superior!
Shattered by the mention that Compute/Graphics pipelines cannot run in parallel with RT on Turing and Ampere fixes it. RDNA2 had it all along.

Anybody has other examples?
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Frankly, we are yet to see any of it it in action, and we probably won't in the next 2-3 years at least - just because the hardware or software is there, it doesn't mean it will be used, see Mesh Shading or VRS in Turing GPUs as one of the latest examples. That's the saddest part of PC tech, the software and hardware never go in pair, always one is few years ahead of the other. The adoption rate of Ampere cards and NVMe SSDs will determine when we will see the tech being actually used in practice. But what we did saw however is unparalleled 4K and even 8K performance, with RT on and all the bells and whistles, all the shown games available today or coming very soon looked absolutely gorgeous, that's what people are hyped about.
 
Kenpachii said:
Everything is software mate. Even nvidia's IO improvements.

It's always funny how people get tricked so easily for nvidia's PR. U can already see how the idiots in the 3000 nvidia card OT are mass ordering those shitty as GPU's without a future. Because nvidia dropped i/o and some shitty comparisons that made them all hyped.

I can't wait for the topics: I bought a 800 buck nvidia card 1-2 years ago and my game stutters because not enough v-ram? wtf pc gaming is expensive u do got to upgrade every year.

Guess what i will be doing, posting this in those topic.

Ue73Jrx_d.jpg


Guess those 2080ti buyers are feeling pretty fucking retarded right now for buying into the 1200+ dollar dream that gets beated a year later by a budget 3060 card that probably ships for sub 400. Oh wait they didn't announce one yet because even jensen probably couldn't get it over his heart for all those whales that bought into the dream but ended up bankrolling his ferrari.

I will wait for the real cards to arrive for half the price once AMD drops a nuke on the those cards with RDNA2.

Anyway your started post is kinda embarrassing.
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Looks kinda unrelated to what I've said. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
I suspect RDNA2 will be exactly the same as Ampere.
Like, really, the same features, maybe better implemented, but pretty marginally...
I do expect it to have a comparable perf, that's why NV went with these inflated TF... but really, nothing out of the ordinary.
And I do expect future PC GPU tech to be like that, mainly because DX12 is low level, and GPUs need to be pretty similar and have the same features to not fall behind.
 
Do we read the same forum ? Your crew is really good at building narratives from quote (or dreams) there and here to fit their warrior agenda/defense...
the narrative was pc response will come ...
and it has come fast and before console launch
the IO solution will also support already existing hardware (i expect amd equivalent to be have rdna 1.0 support too now)
of course cross gen games are not the ones that will benefit from it
we are also still waiting for games trying to seriously support vrs and more importantly mesh shader.
imo rtx2XXX had huge pricing default but those cards will age better than current context made it apparent.
 
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You killed them OP, just brutal.
I really hope PC keks get to enjoy their RTX IO in time, whatever the supposed performance implications are.
But they have to take the L just once today.
Their narrative came far, wasn't worth much in the end.
 
the amount of bullshit a single person can write and spill into the world.........sometines I think we`d be better off not having the internet.
 
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