Rather than asking people in the thread why not just watch the video on their Kickstarter page and the big explanation underneath it explaining why exactly they created this Kickstarter project?
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Penny Arcade Kickstarter
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Sp3eD
0G M3mbeR
Creative fanbase leeching?
Diprosalic
Banned
Shao Kahn Going Shopping
Banned
That's part of the issue going on in this thread - it feels lazy, like a cash grab. Selling your own art for $25k...after someone has already paid for it? Crazytown.
I was debating starting a kickstarter entitled "buy me lunch"
Have the goal be $7.50. Rewards will be the following:
$1: I will think about you as I eat my lunch.
$3: I will email you a picture of the lunch I buy with your money.
$5: I will retweet one of your future lunch pictures.
$10: You get to chose what I have for lunch.
$10,000 I will fly you out to have lunch with me.
are they not producing content now? will they produce more content? "better" content?
it's all very ambiguous, and to me not justifiable
I'd rather not ever look at it.
Okay.
http://www.kickstarter.com/help/guidelines?ref=footer
What gets produced by this? I don't think the lack of ads really qualifies as something that's created.
Diprosalic
Banned
Shao Kahn Going Shopping
Banned
Money talks. Kickstarter gets a cut, and they see this'll be big, so it gets a pass. Shit's flawed.
Shao Kahn Going Shopping
Banned
Their cut is worth more than enough to ensure they want this to go through.
John Rabbit
Banned
for all the things both legitimate and petty that i could chastise these guys for, this is really gross.
I hope coca-cola makes a kickstarter soon, they can start producing more coke!
producing more of the same, which is the impression I get, just doesn't give it legitimacy to me
Penny Arcade can use their clout to get on KickStarter. I'm sure KickStarter won't mind getting their cut of the milking that is being done.
2 Slice Toaster
Member
Probably the same justification used by Idle Thumbs?
How is this not earning money honestly? They worked to create their fanbase, and they're not deceiving them. They're telling you exactly upfront what you'll be getting for your money.
Their fans are also not compelled to donate to this. Every person has their own free will to use their money how they choose. Just because they ask, doesn't suddenly and magically mean that money will come pouring in.
Behind every dollar is some fan who has to decide "This is worth spending my money on!" And if that person decides that it's worth it, who are you to say that they can't do that? Are you going to run up to them and say "NO! You may not derive satisfaction from giving them money! They have to earn it HONESTLY, and by honestly I mean whatever I decide is honest!"
Diprosalic
Banned
i'm done with this conversation, i will go to walmart now and yell at them for making money and giving me options.
sets a bad precedent and overshadows projects on the site that are more faithful to what the site was once about
I'd understand a start-up wanting to avoid using ads and needing the money to do that, but when a private company that already has the power to do so and feels it makes there site a better product, I don't understand why Penny Arcade needs to go to the fans for funding. They want others to make sacrifices that their wealthy selves aren't willing to make.
awilliams213
Member
If they end up pulling it off good for them. I occasionally donate if its an artists trying to publish an indie comic on the side but I cant donate to PA they are hardly a group trying to make a name for themselves.
So they should just give up their entire primary source of income without finding a replacement?
Wow, this is fucking pathetic. Penny Arcade is already successful. This is a complete vanity project just to stroke their own fucking ego.
Nothing is being produced by this. "Ad-free" doesn't mean shit considering the ads on their page are already so small and unobtrusive by default.
Kickstarter shouldn't allow this but they're getting a cut so why should they give a fuck.
Penny Arcade has gotten way too big for their own good. It used to be they made fun of video game companies and douchebag celebrities but now they make fun of fans and are the douchebag celebrities.
Nothing is being produced by this. "Ad-free" doesn't mean shit considering the ads on their page are already so small and unobtrusive by default.
Kickstarter shouldn't allow this but they're getting a cut so why should they give a fuck.
Penny Arcade has gotten way too big for their own good. It used to be they made fun of video game companies and douchebag celebrities but now they make fun of fans and are the douchebag celebrities.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Make sure to donate $5,000 to Walmart while you're there so they can hire janitors to clean up vomit from their aisles. Donating money to successful business to do things they already feel are essential to the success of their business is the right thing to do. WalMart can't get away with it because they don't have creative people telling you how cool you are for doing it and retweeting your idea for an indie game.
Walmart can't do it because their primary source of income is already the customers in the store. Penny Arcade is trying to go in that direction as well.
did you really just try to equate penny arcade and npr?
notworksafe
Member
I am not a PA visitor but know of them and see their comics occasionally.
I think just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
This all feels wrong, manipulative and cynical. There appear to be arguments each way, but the overall vibe is cynical money-grabbing.
Still, not the first or last time a company has engaged in cynical money-grabbing - it's just a shame it's trading off the good vibes of Double Fine, Wasteland 2 et all.
I think just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
This all feels wrong, manipulative and cynical. There appear to be arguments each way, but the overall vibe is cynical money-grabbing.
Still, not the first or last time a company has engaged in cynical money-grabbing - it's just a shame it's trading off the good vibes of Double Fine, Wasteland 2 et all.
Yes very wrong. Paying 50k to go out for dinner with basically two nerds that draw comics, I'd call that a waste of money. But it's your money of course.
Like others have pointed out, there is no real goal for this kickstarter. Getting admoney in advance, when a lot of their visitors probably use adblock anyway? Shady. To me it sounds like one day they sat down and went like: "Hey, people are getting shitloads of money with this Kickstarter thing. Why wouldn't we try to aswell? Let's make up some BS cause like removing ads and got for it."
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
If only they could have gradually transitioned away from being an ad-sourced company to a media company paid for products. Oh, thats what they want, but rather than put in the time/effort, you internet will foot the bill because theyre famous.
holy shit
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Sure, why not. Doesn't have to be content exclusive. Doesn't matter if it's non-profit or not. People get paid.
This doesn't bother me, if they want to do pledge drives then so be it. Kickstarter was probably just a handy service to handle it through.
They aren't adding revenue as much as replacing revenue.
If they wanted to ask for donations without removing a revenue stream, yeah.. that's BS.
People think this is just a money grab.. but they would be removing a revenue stream.
Shao Kahn Going Shopping
Banned
Even better for them. By making their adspace more valuable, they can create product that won't be advertised - people will spend money to keep their unadvertised products unadvertised!
Surely they have ads NOT for their own stuff. Surely.
If they can get away with making their fans bear the brunt of the costs of their business decisions then that is fine. I think it is exploiting the fans of their content. As an assumed very profitable company, I don't think asking for donations is in good taste when they can cover the costs of removing ads by creating content that is considered of value and not just asking others to give you it for free.
Prime crotch
Banned
Who pays for diner? For 10k I would be really mad if they got me take away pizza.
plagiarize
Banned
Kickstarters make people on this forum go bonkers. there is nothing wrong with what they are trying to do, and if enough people want to pay to make it happen, that's their choice. if it doesn't, Penny Arcade continues to be a profitable business that has to worry about upsetting their advertisers.
asking for money. there is nothing wrong with this. ever.
asking for money. there is nothing wrong with this. ever.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Huh? How does adding content with out adding revenue work? Curious on that, school me on your CPA skills on how you actually run a business void of revenue?
AlphaTwo00
Member
Has it crossed anyone's minds that this is their stab at the absurdity of kickstarter as a whole? At the very least, you'll see tomorrows comic about this...
And how would they extract that value from the content?