Shao Kahn Going Shopping
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Pretty wild, isn't it? And the intern pays them!
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Pretty wild, isn't it? And the intern pays them!
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Now you just need to add the text "autonomous decision based on personal values" and you'll have it covered.
The point of KS is that potential consumers can contribute to turning their preferences into products. If someone prefers to fund PA in this manner for a year over whatever "actual game" is concurrently seeking funding, how can you argue that they should not do that?
The only argument I can see is one on general principle--that large entities that are already successful should not be allowed to use KS. Double Fine did it and I have no problem with that. And Kickstarter approved both that one and PA's project, so I guess they don't have a problem with it either.
TheRagnCajun
Member
I guess I missed the part where they said $250,000 is enough for them to make a lucrative profit equivalent to what they are making now. It didnt' seem that much for an organization staffed by 14 people.
Liberty4all
Banned
I've been on PA's forums for years. They will get support from their community just as GAF would if we did something similar.
I look at Kickstarter as an avenue for ANYONE (successful business or startup) to go to the public and say "hey here is my idea do you beleive in the idea and me enough to support it financially?"
The public then decides if the goal is worthy or not. I don't get all the hate here. What's the problem?
I look at Kickstarter as an avenue for ANYONE (successful business or startup) to go to the public and say "hey here is my idea do you beleive in the idea and me enough to support it financially?"
The public then decides if the goal is worthy or not. I don't get all the hate here. What's the problem?
That's not the only way they make money, and they're only removing one ad with 250K.
TheRagnCajun
Member
I think because GAF has a restrictive view of what kickstarter should be used for, and PA is violating that....even though they have been open about what they are doing and what the money is for.
Read the thread?
TheRagnCajun
Member
I have no idea what one banner ad is worth on PA. Do you? Honest question.
The_Inquisitor
Member
Some kids don't have normal immune systems. A already played with toy could kill very sick children.
Shao Kahn Going Shopping
Banned
They're proving how much their adspace is worth, not how expensive it is to run.
Wow, ya'll really losing your minds in here. Sad to watch.
As a kickstarter project, yes. Just put a big donate button and have a donation drive on the website. I don't see why it needs kickstarter as the carrier for this.
If a child is that sick and (virtually has no immune system), playing videogame should not be on their priority list.
Still this is one of reason why I always donate money only to either unisef or red cross. So many so called charities are actually just a back-door way of getting funds for private business. (a.k.a. kony 2012.)
So what should be on their priority list then?
Because they like Kickstarter and this promotes the service? Kickstarter thinks it's an appropriate project, so I don't think any of us are in a position to say otherwise. "This is not what Kickstarter is for" seems to be a sentiment expressed by people who first heard of Kickstarter from Double Fine and have some kind of romanticized view of what it should be.
Survive.
If you really think brand new consoles are germ-free, then yeah. go for it.
I think a lot of us in here think 'advertising kickstarter' is not in PA's thought-list. They are in for money, dude.
So pimping themselves while stroking their ego's and simultaneously mocking kickstarter? That seems about right.
This doesn't make any sense at all. They could get more money by doing it via their site because they wouldn't need to give up a cut to Kickstarter. In fact, they could get the money by continuing to sell ads. What is your argument exactly?
notworksafe
Member
Yeah, that'd be why they are in the hospital. I don't think you quite understand what it's like to be stuck in a hospital bed 24 hours a day. It's pretty unpleasant and something entertaining like books, comics, and video games (all things provided by Child's Play) really help take your mind off the shitty situation.
I still don't understand why you are trying to paint their action as 'benevolent'. It is clear as day that they want your, our money for their own benefit and ego fulfillment.
If they want to advertise kickstarter project there are a lot of other ways of doing it.
1) do the free banner for kickstarter on their site. This one should be no brainer.
2) make cartoon about it or serialize it
3) Do it on PAX
4) make youtube video. Heck they think they are celebrities
etc.
Being on kickstarter is going to attract a lot more attention than just begging for donations on their own site. That's why they're happy to pay a percentage to kickstarter.
ChosenPredator
Banned
to have them retweet one of your projects is well worth it...especially if you have a game or a film project release on youtube.
Liberty4all
Banned
I look at it as them kickstarting a new way of doing business. One where revenue is driven by the fans instead of corporate interests via advertising. What's wrong with that?
Anatoli Bacharach
Member
I don't get the negativity. All of this seems good, whether PA get the funding or not. I personally hope they get it funded, just like i hoped Giant Bomb would get to pull out of the ad model through their subscription plans (they didn't).
If you don't like PA in general, that's OK too - but what does this kickstarter have to do with it?
If you don't like PA in general, that's OK too - but what does this kickstarter have to do with it?
Which site has more hits per day? Kickstarter or PA?
So instead of making comic/ad on their PA site is less effective than on Kickstarter?
You decide.
notworksafe
Member
They already have enough money and/or they are being greedy, depending on who you ask in here.
I think you're overestimating Kickstarter and underestimating Penny Arcade.
Ways like this?
You don't have a coherent argument. I just pointed out that if avarice were their motivation, they could continue to get money from advertisers, or they could get a larger cut by doing this via their site. The obvious way to maximize profit would be to throw up more ads. You have no answer to this fact.
Penny Arcade has been obsessed with Kickstarter for a long time, and anyone who actually follows them would know this. This is a way for them to get in on the fun while bringing attention to the service.
Shao Kahn Going Shopping
Banned
I'd argue that if they've been compromising their content due to corporate interests, then it's not really something I should be into anyway.
Obviously doing it on both gives them more exposure than just using Penny Arcade.
Again, this is just an assumption you are making, not a fact. The small cut kickstarter will take could easily be less than the additional revenue brought in by using kickstarter to promote their money making scheme.
How much could a one day internship really do? I mean if it were Google or Apple thats one thing but Penny Arcade?
Dude. My father's left side body has been paralyzed for 8 years. I know how it feels like to stuck in hospital bed for 24 hours a day. Don't try to lecture me in that subject.
If a child has no immune system and has to live as a bubbleboy, it doesn't matter whether console is used from previous user or brand spanking new retail. And really, playing videogame SHOULD not be in their priority list.
Uhhh, what the fuck should a kid be doing in that situation?
(scratching head)
Creating germ-free environment itself is a hassle. A single fucking bacteria, that you possibly could have overlooked when you handle that xbox360 controller from walmart can KILL the child.
So you saying playing videogame is higher priority than surviving?
notworksafe
Member
Well that and for a cost of 8-10% of their total take they don't have to nearly as much work organizing and handling money and/or subscriptions.
Exactly.
Roland Garros
Banned
Your arguments make no sense. Not every kid in hospital is 'BubbleBoy', alot of them are cancer patients or the like who are too sick to go home and need distractions while they are in hospital. Playing video games is a fun and time-consuming distraction that can help them get through the day in between treatments, recovery, family visits, etc.
What could possibly be on the priority list for a 5 year old terminally ill kid? Reading the bible? Lying in bed mulling over the pain and frustration? How often do we, as adults, use video games as a stress reliever?
PLEASE, watch this.
notworksafe
Member
Well all the items are disinfected beforehand and after use most of the books, toys, and comics are disposed of to avoid contamination. That's why there is a constant need for new stuff.
But lets take your scenario...so playing videogames, reading books, reading comics, playing with toys, and any other sort of enjoyment should not be allowed to those kids. What SHOULD they be doing? I know you said "Survive" but what do you mean buy that? Constant meditation and willing themselves better?
Giving a child a bit of enjoyment shouldn't be something looked down upon and a child wanting something to take their mind off of their constant life threatening illness (or even just wanting to relive a little boredom) shouldn't be treated with derision.
This is crazy-talk. I bet, out of the people who donate to Child's Play, most have old gaming equipment they don't use.
If the average donation is $10 it requires 40 donations to buy one single iPad 3.
I think the sanitary issues is a much better explanation for why they need money.
Still though, I don't think hospitalized children need top of the line gaming equipment for their stay to be more enjoyable.
plagiarize
Banned
the kid isn't creating the germ free environment though. they are the ones stuck inside a hypothetical bubble with fuck all to do if we don't provide them with entertainment. the controller, console and TV wouldn't even need to be in this bubble that you are so randomly obsessed with.
when i'm sick, videogames distract me from the pain and discomfort. i'm not the only person in the world who experiences these positive things.
Roland Garros
Banned
Huh? That's one example. How about the kids undergoing chemo, or heart problems, or any number of the hundreds of other non-debilitating but very serious illnesses that demand 24 hour hospital care?
Lots of spare time. Lots of boredom. Video games, among other things, distract from that boredom.
notworksafe
Member
Agreed. But now Child's Play takes donations for things like books, other toys, and just general type of items...not just video games.
A look at the wishlist for my local hospital shows stuff like board games, toys, books, and even DVDs and batteries. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/21EIN5ZGOF/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Shao Kahn Going Shopping
Banned
Are we done with the charity discussion yet? Because I'd really like to move on from it. I mean, we've established people can give to whatever charity they want, and that's the end of that. Let's get back to non-charity discussion, like having their fans pay $1,000,000 instead of having advertisers do it.
plagiarize
Banned
what are you talking about? John Cena and Ron Perlman shouldn't be visiting sick children wasting their time, they should be trying to cure their diseases!
or something. i don't know, i can't even sarcastically lampoon that guy.
Charts? Links?
Seriously? What do hospitalized children need, in your opinion?
Because revenue driven by fans isn't new.you do that with premium subscriptions, or donations. It is ground already well covered.
Roland Garros
Banned
You clearly have zero knowledge of the intricacies of the Child Play charity. Please watch this.
And I'd hazard a guess that the average donation is much more than 10 dollars. PA conduct charity auction nights where they auction products for many thousands of dollars. That's where the bulk of the funds would come from.
This is a nationwide charity. 3 million dollars a year is not alot when you're attempting to improve the lives of many thousands of kids stuck in hospital. Give the video a go and you may see why.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
This thread spiraled has way out of control.
If someone can't see the value of letting a kid be a kid by playing video games while in the hospital, I don't know what to tell you.
If someone can't see the value of letting a kid be a kid by playing video games while in the hospital, I don't know what to tell you.