I'm not sure what the relevance of that is here since this is about Steam reviews and the impact of DRM on PC games on the Steam platform.
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People unhappy with DRM should give bad reviews to games with draconian DRMs on Steam
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I'm not sure what the relevance of that is here since this is about Steam reviews and the impact of DRM on PC games on the Steam platform.
Aaaw don't punch them though. I have few friends that often use these shady key sites and I don't hide my excitement when they get their game removed, only happened couple of times. It's hard to convince people to support the proper channels, when there are much cheaper alternatives (like free). Even after they've got burned already, if they haven't then it's pretty much impossible. I have few friends who also tease me about them pirating games, I don't think they really do actually pirate. But they know how I feel about it so they tease anyway.
Denuvo is considered to be anti-consumer, people voice their concerns. False advertising is considered to be anti-consumer and according to you people's best bet to reach Bethesda is through Steam reviews. So I'm curious if you think Steam reviews should be used for this too.
You're right that it's not very consistent. As a buyer, it always helps to dig a little deeper than just look at the overall rating, to expose the actual reasons a game is being rated down, and then judge whether it will be an issue to you. That goes without saying really.
In the case of H1Z1 and Ark, the player count for those games is very healthy. If those games are poorly optimised then it doesn't look like it's an issue that is affecting everyone. H1Z1 is still in early access so potential optimisation issues are to be expected.
No, I don't think Steam reviews should be used for reviewing console games, although I actually have occasionally seen threads in Steam discussion boards asking questions about console versions; maybe some console gamers do think it's a place to go to be heard?
I suppose we could expand this to talking about the consoles too, and where best to get that feedback noticed but that's something for a separate thread perhaps?
Edit: another thing to consider is that not everyone uses Twitter or Facebook, where as everyone who plays a Steam game uses Steam.
Sure, fair enough. But there's been so much discussion about giving negative reviews to games just for having Denuvo even when it didn't affect the person's experience with that specific game. Since some people have said that they even will buy it and refund it just to give it a negative review because of being anti-consumer.No, I don't think Steam reviews should be used for reviewing console games, although I actually have occasionally seen threads in Steam discussion boards asking questions about console versions; maybe some console gamers do think it's a place to go to be heard?
I suppose we could expand this to talking about the consoles too, and where best to get that feedback noticed but that's something for a separate thread perhaps?
Edit: another thing to consider is that not everyone uses Twitter or Facebook, where as everyone who plays a Steam game uses Steam.
Since OP even includes the line " If they want to be anti-consumer, we the consumers should fight back." I thought this issue could be discussed more broadly and not just regarding Denuvo. You said Steam reviews being the best way to rebel against publishers decisions, so I wondered how far people want to go with this. If I would follow the logic mentioned above where people leave negative reviews even without playing the game, I don't think it matters if the publisher is being anti-consumer with console version instead of PC. Since the review is solely based on the anti-consumerism. And the purpose is to just reach the publisher and try to give feedback/hurt them for their practises.
But you are right that separate topic for that could be better and it would probably spark more discussion about it, than being buried here.
King Gilga
Member
There's not such thing as entitlement vs a product/corporation.
Deveno actively affects the games they're used on and also your computer. So they're a part of the game. It should be considered in their reviews.
It would've been nice to be able to find the Sonic Mania reviews that contained gripes about the game play prior to purchasing it. Instead, I found pretty much nothing about DRM complaints, so the reviews ultimately didn't help me at all. If you have that much of an issue with DRM *and* were actually intending to buy the game, then I don't mind the DRM-centric reviews, but stuff like this really does make reviews significantly less useful for a lot of people.
By the way, I really wish people would stop using the word "draconian" to describe DRM. Until the DRM or the company implementing it is selling you into slavery or sentencing you to death, then I really don't think the term fits. Do some research on the origin of the term.
By the way, I really wish people would stop using the word "draconian" to describe DRM. Until the DRM or the company implementing it is selling you into slavery or sentencing you to death, then I really don't think the term fits. Do some research on the origin of the term.
Yearsoflurking
Member
Or just don't buy the game?
By the 100th time, what if the developer doesnt disclose the DRM until after the game launched? That happened with sonic mania.
Yearsoflurking
Member
Give a bad review and ask for a refund. I wouldn't give games you like bad reviews cause you knowingly bought them with drm
Phoenix RISING
Banned
Plenty of dumb consumers though.
Buy games so you can give negative reviews, brehs!
Miniature Kaiju
Member
Voting with your wallet sends the wrong message, though, that the game is simply not wanted.
If you want them to stop using anti-consumer practices, you need them to know that's the exact reason they're losing sales.
Minsc
Gold Member
Yup, skipping a game because of DRM simply sends a message to stop producing more games for the platform. If that's your goal (to simply not have games created), then you're succeeding when you don't buy a game you'd otherwise like to play because of DRM.
To further expand, a person who does not purchase a game matters very little to a company, however a person who buys a game and returns it for some reason matters much, much more to them.
Publisher will likely blame the developer for creating a lackluster game.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Good call OP. This, along with just straight up not buying denuvo/DRM inflicted games.