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Stone Ocean
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The PS1 version is pretty much unplayable nowadays. I get headaches just thinking about those menus.
Eudaemonium
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You come from the future
Persona 5 Scarlet, coming 2019 to WiiU2.
tringworldso
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The character models really remind me of Catherine. Looks like we'll have to wait for Persona 7 to see the next art shift. P1 and P2, P3 and P4, Catherine and P5. Two games each sharing the same art style.
I'd be very surprised to see any dramatic shift in art style in P6.
names2hard4you
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I am not even mad. I loved how Catherine looked and was hoping that P5 would adopt the same style. For sure we will be seeing some refinement here and there, but for the most part what we saw back then was pretty solid.
If we're talking about character models and the art style relating to them, the change overtime is obviously due to the change in engines.
Also, they do usually use the same engine for every two Persona games.
Eudaemonium
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P5 doesn't use the same engine as Catherine, though (Gamebryo). It does use the same art-style/aesthetic, though.
It was an awesome aesthetic, so it gets my vote.
I should get back to finishing Catherine sometime...
I was talking about the change in the models and the art that went into those models from P3 - P4, which use the same engine, to the current engine they're using.
If they follow the pattern that they have been, they'll likely use the same engine for Persona 6.
Catherine is a different game on a different engine, but ,yes, it's pretty likely they incorporated what they learned from Catherine into Persona 5.
Eudaemonium
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With a PS4 port of P5 happening I'd think a current-gen P6 with the same engine seems pretty likely. At least, I hope it will be. The stylisation means they can probably get away with using a lot of the assets on PS4 for a while without it looking too out-dated.
(Basically, I'm just privately hoping for a new SMT renaissance on PS4.)
Starting to replay, and hopefully finally beat, Digital Devil Saga and I wonder if the eye colors in P5 and the apparent transformation of the MC at the end of the trailer share any similarities to the eye color changes that occur in DDS and how they transform into their demon forms. Even if it's just limited to the MC it would be pretty cool if they actually transform into a Persona/Demon form, if just for specific events only.
I'm usually the first to criticize the ridiculously-tired-and-overused high-school-junior trope, but this time I want to criticize the setting.
I love the Persona settings
and live right near Atlus' old Tokyo offices
At least set it in some other big city that doesn't get a lot of attention. They went to Kobe (in disguise; P3's Port Island) already. Sapporo? Nara? Modern Kyoto gets almost no attention. Fukuoka? Matsuyama? All those places have a nice blend of old and new and would make great settings.
SatelliteOfLove
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*makes motorcycle noises*
*Mark Danced Crazy!*
Those you mentioned have a much worse implemnetation, and Negotiation with capricious beings is inherently a success-agnostic endeavor
*Mark Danced Crazy!*
Those you mentioned have a much worse implemnetation, and Negotiation with capricious beings is inherently a success-agnostic endeavor
like Fusion should return to. MWAHAHAHAHA
Would be great to have the same output as on PS2 (where they basically did this: assets were created for Nocturne, and reused for all the PS2 games), but I don't see that happening...
I can agree on PS1 version, map navigation was a nightmare from what I remember. You had no idea where you were going because there was no map and it was in 1st person view.
super-famicom
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Modern Kyoto would be great. With all the old shrines and temples there, you'd have a lot of choices for dungeons/dungeon entrances. Nara Park could also be a dungeon since it is not that far away.
And the monsters would be deers. (Still got bad memories from the deers there.)
I agree, I'd like to see Kyoto once in a while. I rarely see Gion as a place in games.
Dungeons, sure, but also you have the mix of a modern city with plenty of older stuff and nature too. Maybe the hotel that the P3 team stayed at could make an appearance.
Speaking of Nara -- I did a homestay there many years ago and would love to go back -- the abandoned Nara Dreamland theme park, which closed just a few years after Universal Studios Japan built their big park in neighboring Osaka and people stopped going to Nara, would be a perfect venue for part of a Persona story. Now there's a real-life RPG dungeon if ever there was one!
(Edit: Arue, you didn't eat the shika sembei yourself, did you? The deer will attack you if you don't feed them!)
Of course not! My clothes got dirty because one of the deers was wet with mud water and decided to dry itself as I was passing by. I also tried to feed them the senbei and they ended up eating my map that was sticking out of my pocket.
Going back to the game models topic, I don't know if it's just the trailer, but the models didn't look as detailed as Catherine's. It's too early to judge though, so I could be wrong.
>.>
So you think that demon negotiation needs to have a higher margin for failure?
And fusion too? You're evil. Pure evil. Or a masochist. I can't decide.
StarSketch
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#KyotoForPersona7
SatelliteOfLove
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Realistic, rather. I know few can deal with a lack of guarenteed safety after it becomes standard and it rachets game design into some narrow crippling corners.
I'm fine with lack of guaranteed safety so long as it's a main part of the game. If I'm having to roll the dice repeatedly just to get something done on the side, that's just annoying.
That's not good. A situation in a game that offers a contrast to feeling security shouldn't be something decided by a random number generator. Those situations should be something that you can either react to or prepare for. Otherwise I just consider it bad game design and only ever ends up frustrating the more its implemented.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I'm surprisingly excited about this considering I've lacked the enthusiasm to wrap up P4G for like 2 years
I emphatically disagree with you on that one.
In SJ/SH/SMTIV, demon negotiating was just a simple matter of answering a questions. Sometimes you'd get lucky, and a demon would request for something simple like life stones/SP/HP, which would nearly guarantee success. Furthermore, the higher level you were, the higher chance you could recruit demons. Having certain demons in your party could also aid in obtaining demons.
Persona 1/2 on the other hand, uses a contact system, which has a given character use one of 4 of their contact skills in an attempt to please a demon; it's the epitome of trial and error (Persona 2 makes it even crazier by throwing in contact combinations into the mix) But that's not all; demon's still ask questions from time to time, so it's a matter of luck and trial and error. (Demons had 8 personality types to consider!)By far the most infuriating part about P2's contact system was how you could be 1 point away from receiving a demon's tarot card, but then out of the blue it would ask a question:
And BAM. That was it. Game over. Because it was nearly guaranteed that said demon will ask you another question if you fucked up the first one, and another, and another... until you couldn't contact it anymore.
Another factor to consider is time. Fucking up a demon negotiation in SMT games takes... at most, 30 seconds? P1/P2 take much longer because you need to fill up their mood bar. And if you get bombarded with questions and cause them to go berserk, then that time is completely wasted. (Unlike in SMT, you can't talk to them again after angering them)
Admittedly, the contacts themselves were generally pretty damn funny, but overall they were extremely unintuitive and frustrating to deal with.
Eh, in Persona 1-2 you could at least see what effect your actions had on demons so it felt controllable. I'll give that they took longer, but I found them to be more consistent, and single actions/questions normally didn't mean the difference between success and failure, you could easily salvage a mistep and try multiple things.
In general I hate demon negotiation, but if we had to get more of it, I'd prefer the more measured style of persona 1-2.
True, but only after you've put yourself through intense trial and error. I suppose the consistency is nice (but damn those chain questions can really screw you over) but it really comes down to guessing what they want, jotting that down, and repeating that process for the 10 or so demons you might run into per dungeon. I'm willing to overlook the mostly random nature of demon negotiating in SMT because you don't need to do it that often (eventually, fusion outright replaces it) whereas Persona 2: Eternal Punishment necessitates constant contacting.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Damn, you're fast. I've beaten vanilla in 100+ and golden with almost 80 lol
Mendax
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what is this? just fan art? - awesome nonetheless
cj_iwakura
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It's an SMT2 sprite mock-up, so yeah.
And I'm replaying P2 PS1 right now and I still love it just fine, so...
(Of course I played it when it came out, which usually helps.)
names2hard4you
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This is SOOOO good.
Thanks, I can't imagine there's any chance of me being able to put that many hours into the game as I just don;t have the time any more but at least it will give me some sort of an idea whether it'll be worth me picking this game up at some point.
I just realized Persona 4 Golden has the highest rating of any game on howlongtobeat. Not that it means much, just interesting.
Matt Attack
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Whoa this is awesome!
You'd be surprised at how easy it is to put extra time into Vita/handheld games compared to their console equivalents. I didn't think I would be in the mood for a long JRPG when I started P4G, and I found myself finishing it in 56 hours over just one month. Played it on the train; a few minutes at home after dinner... times when I wouldn't have been firing up the PS2 when the original came out.
During the reveal at the persona concert, they had the voice actor for Lelouch from Code Geass speak as "The Phantom". To me, this must mean he's probably voiced.
GayForMaster
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I just got the reference since I beat P4G today lol.
Persona 5 Golden?
Do note that the first two hours are a prologue to set up the story and are not representative of what you do for the whole game (basically you can't decide how to spend your days until about 3h in). It shouldn't be too tough to find the time to finish the intro though, I started it on my back from work and finished it not much later after getting home. It's a good intro too. The fact it's portable and you can suspend/resume in a snap makes it very easy to play the game on transit and keep playing elsewhere.
There's been pretty much zero discussion I've seen on Persona 5's potential length, from the news stream thread, to the trailer one, to this one.
I wonder if it's generally assumed that Persona 5 will have a certain duration. For me, I think less than 30 hours would be relatively disappointing.
I wonder if it's generally assumed that Persona 5 will have a certain duration. For me, I think less than 30 hours would be relatively disappointing.
There's no way it's only double Catherine's length. Dungeons might be a bit shorter if they're designed rather than randomly generated (even if they're as well designed as Persona Q's, I doubt they'll be as long) so it might be a tad shorter than P3 and P4. But I expect at the very least 50h, even with the more demanding character animations, more complex environments, etc.