Cipher Cat
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motorised mallard
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Imho it's the best combination.
I like the way you're thinking.
cj_iwakura
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Was expecting studio4C again, ah well. IG is good too.
Cipher Cat
Banned
Arséne? So they're dropping mythology-based Persona? I guess i'll get my Norse ones in P6
Prepare for Valkyries!
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Arséne? So they're dropping mythology-based Persona? I guess i'll get my Norse ones in P6
They already had alice.
I thought the same thing.
eh. would i guess
Cipher Cat
Banned
Ew very easy makes the game worthless
Try to look at it another way if at all possible. In a game where you have to fight a lot if you want to fuse and obtain the appropriate persona, hand-designed dungeons get tedious very quickly as you keep running the same layouts with the same loot and enemy layouts. I think randomized dungeons can work better in situations where loot hunting is the name of the day or when you know you'll be revisiting a dungeon over and over, so that the scenario at least feels moderately different each time you go back.
And now that there's a mix potentially, everyone wins!
Naoto in Persona 4 had a real gun, strega had a real gun in persona 3, every other persona had real guns. Why is this a duh?
And now that there's a mix potentially, everyone wins!
Agreed.
Naoto was a mini cop and Strega were the bad guys. I get the feeling that while the Persona 5 cast isn't exactly good, they're not evil either.
Maya got her guns from a cop too I think, who was an adult.
Yep! I'm really happy we've got both types now. Randomly generated for grinding and leveling and planned areas for heists sounds good to me.And now that there's a mix potentially, everyone wins!
Aaronrules380
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I'm going to guess not real guns refers to the ammo rather than the gun itself. Or perhaps a mix where the gun's been modified so it can't shoot normal bullets, but only the special ammo. I mean clearly they still shoot stuff
I don't think you understand how few personal firearms and how invasive their control is on the few legal firearms are over there.
Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/
The abhorrence of weapons is actually highlighted in P4 when the scooby gang get arrested by the police when Yosuke is spotted wielding mere replica swords in Junes food court.
we.are.the.armada
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"The protagonist is a second-year high school student, who transfers to the city during the spring (around the time of the start of a new school year in Japan.) Hell move into a coffee shop owned by acquaintances of his parents."
Aaronrules380
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I'd imagine modified guns that only shoot magical ammo or something like that
They're allowed to butcher evil shadow things with swords and bows and shit but not shoot them with guns?
As a whole I'd suggest western culture tends to be as obsessed with its adolesence and school life as much as anywhere else. That being said I'd be happy for a change in setting so a college or professional level setting would be of interest (thought I do think they'd run into some issues with verisimilitude as people tend to expect, even subconsciously, adult characters to act more rationally). However the games target audience is what it is so its likely to be high school for a while (though an rpg spin-off in the vein of Catherine would be great)
Just make they use magic then. Feels kind of pointless to have guns if that is what they are for.
we.are.the.armada
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Nah, they are real. They are buying them from a black market dealer which is pretty damn illegal, dark and gritty.
Are you an expert?
They're carrying around real bladed weapons, why not real guns? They're supposed to be criminals of some sort, like strega were if you're not looking at the morality scale anyway. They also seemed to have a gun supplier too. Not a huge deal to me, but seems kinda dumb.
"The protagonist is a second-year high school student, who transfers to the city during the spring (around the time of the start of a new school year in Japan.) Hell move into a coffee shop owned by acquaintances of his parents."
Hehe, no wonder he's a jewelry thief or whatever. That coffee shop owner was probably abusive! Look at his shades, INDOORS! Who does that!
Yup, perfect mix. I think it's nice to have dungeons in the game that are wholly unique so that when you visit them you know every element is going to be hand crafted to be involved with the story or with throwing unexpected things your way or with puzzles or unique types of gameplay that you don't experience at any other point in the game. That's going to be a rad way to get the full range of the jRPG experience in a single package. 'Cause then when you go loot and persona huntin' in the night, you might want more random moment-to-moment elements.
Really everything that is said about Persona 5 has me hyped. And I loved that scene where protagonist gets belted with chalk, just so stylish and vibrant compared to past Persona classrooms already.
flatearthpandas
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Huge bummer to hear that there might still be randomly generated dungeons. Maybe they can do something interesting with them this time but i won't be holding my breath.
Barrylocke
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Actually, Maya got her guns from Eikichi in IS, (who also uses a gun, albeit one that's tricked into a guitar case. I'm not sure how he manages to upgrade those so easily)
In EP, the guns are
given to her by a villian to help jog her memory iirc
And of course this is all ignoring the gameplay mechanic that people that use guns just purchase upgrades from shops
"The protagonist is a second-year high school student, who transfers to the city during the spring (around the time of the start of a new school year in Japan.) He’ll move into a coffee shop owned by acquaintances of his parents."
I wish I could find that image with the part in Breaking Bad about the coffee.
I'm not saying it makes it any less silly not to allow them, I'm just saying I can maybe say they're reasoning for it. If guns really are that big a deal in Japan I can see why they'd want to keep them out while allowing more fantastical (well, not as 'real' nowadyas) stuff like swords in.
Ah yeah, that's right. Been a while since I played IS. I got nothin', then. Atlus gonna Atlus.
we.are.the.armada
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What a bastard I bet he uses real guns. Hey, check this out! This might be the coffee shop right here:
How cool would it be if one of the part-time job options was to be a barrista in there?
Well now i know, i had assumed otherwise.
Eudaemonium
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Wonder about the dungeons thing if it's going to be something like:
Otherworld Dungeon: Random
Otherworld-Bleeding-into-Reality Dungeon: Non-random.
That might be a coherent/logical way of doing it within the narrative.
Otherworld Dungeon: Random
Otherworld-Bleeding-into-Reality Dungeon: Non-random.
That might be a coherent/logical way of doing it within the narrative.
nope but i do like to read...As oppose to presume a country with such a low gun murder/death rate has high school kids wielding firearms like it's a thing.
Gun use by yakuza has declined markedly. This is due to the increased severity of legal sanctions, as many yakuza have acknowledged in media interviews. A 2004 ruling by the Supreme Court ended a long legal battle by the Yamaguchi-gumi and made yakuza bosses liable for certain criminal acts committed by their men, including violations of firearms laws. Yamaguchi godfather Tsukasa Shinobu spent six years in jail after one of his bodyguards was found to be carrying an illegal firearm. Many yakuza bosses subsequently banned the use of guns by their men. In addition, jail terms for gun users have increased. Up until the 1980s yakuza gunmen convicted of fatal shooting were usually serving jail terms of between 12 and 15 years. Three gangsters involved in a fatal gang-related shooting in Hiratsuka in 2009 (see below) received jail terms of 24 to 30 years each, while the gangster who shot the mayor of Nagasaki received the death sentence, though this was later revoked and reduced to lifetime imprisonment.71
http://www.japanfocus.org/-Andrew-Rankin/3688
Ew very easy makes the game worthless
Try to look at it another way if at all possible. In a game where you have to fight a lot if you want to fuse and obtain the appropriate persona, hand-designed dungeons get tedious very quickly as you keep running the same layouts with the same loot and enemy layouts. I think randomized dungeons can work better in situations where loot hunting is the name of the day or when you know you'll be revisiting a dungeon over and over, so that the scenario at least feels moderately different each time you go back.
And now that there's a mix potentially, everyone wins!
I didn't find the combat system or level design particularly compelling, and felt like the dungeon crawling only kept me away from the fun VN style gameplay I enjoyed.
If I have to run a dungeon twice (to get more loot or because I died), I'll probably put the game down. I just want to fly through them and keep the pace of the game moving, with no risk of having to restart a section.
If all dungeons were hand crafted and interesting, I'd be willing to spend time in then. As it is, I won't risk wasting too much time in more P4 style hallways by playing on Normal or harder.
Phantasmal Repose
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Glad to hear that S Links have not been removed. Hopefully they are integrated better in this game.
E_Darkness
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What a bastard I bet he uses real guns. Hey, check this out! This might be the coffee shop right here:
How cool would it be if one of the part-time job options was to be a barrista in there?
I just realised that is totally a coffee shop.
That sounds a lot like social links? I feel like "helpers from the city" could mean pretty much anyone, or maybe we're actually getting social links with the characters that run shops in town.
About the guns, I don't see how getting them would be a real problem, we're not talking about reality, even if it's Tokyo it's still a fictional world, and other characters owned guns in the past.
Naoto being a detective and Takaya being a criminal don't really give them any more reasonable way to put their hands on guns, it's just a matter of why they had them, not how they got them.
Even if p5's characters have no reason to own guns, it doesn't make it any harder for them to get some. Being in a bigger town would probably just make it easier.
I can still see Atlus pulling off some justification like the guy that sells them the wepons refusing to give them guns, they could use really any excuse they want, but I don't think using japan's view of guns as a justification makes sense, when we can clearly see it's been ignored in all the previous games in the series.
we.are.the.armada
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I know right! After playing PQ, the group events felt like a nice addition in lieu of the Social Link system - ideally, a combination of both would be great. There's also the issue that SLinks feel as if they take place in a vacuum, but who knows what they'll do with the resources they have.
Good, now go read about the Persona and SMT games and their use of firearms.
ShadowSoldier89
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I liked how marie's S.Link in P4G was generally a group activity