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Peter Molyneux: Wii-mote far less consequential than somethimg like Xbox LIVE.

So a service that offers what was free for many years on PC with a few additions is gonna be the far more important thing to gaming eh?

Moneyhat confirmed. Live doesn't do anything for gaming that hasn't been done before. it simply brought it to the console. Live doesn't suck or anything but if multiplayer matching etc is whats important to gaming then id say Live has a better chance of destroying gaming then The Wii does
 
viakado said:
ahem.
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:lol :lol
 
Prine said:
XBL is one of the best things to happen to gaming. Every company is trying to match it
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Err, Nintendo online is a joke and Sony aren't making you pay or putting ads everywhere. XBL has a lot of good qualities but it has a lot of bad ones too. Place it beside PC online and it's a joke.
 
dionysus said:
My favorite system is better than your favorite system.




I think I am going to start saying this in every thread that devolves into system wars until I get banned.
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Thanks, that'll make your posts useful and fun.
 
Kyoufu said:
Nintendo isn't trying to match it. Sony is trying to surpass it.
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How do you surpass something if you don't first match it? : /
And Nintendo isn't even trying. Their maching is two months away from being a year old and how many online with one fucking game if I'm not mistaken. Pathetic.
 
laserbeam said:
So a service that offers what was free for many years on PC with a few additions is gonna be the far more important thing to gaming eh?

Moneyhat confirmed. Live doesn't do anything for gaming that hasn't been done before. it simply brought it to the console. Live doesn't suck or anything but if multiplayer matching etc is whats important to gaming then id say Live has a better chance of destroying gaming then The Wii does
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Steam has been around for "many years"? Ok.
 
What?No one is making remarks about Molyneux?
I wonder what people would be saying right now if Dyack said the exact same words...
 
laserbeam said:
So a service that offers what was free for many years on PC with a few additions is gonna be the far more important thing to gaming eh?
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This is not an Xbox 360 vs Wii argument. This is a connectivity vs controller argument. How many people do you know who don't use email? How many people use Facebook and MySpace? The point is, Live is making gaming a community. It is doing away with the idea of someone sitting in the dark playing an RPG (Yamauchi quote) all by themselves. It is bringing people together in ways I have never experienced before. Is Live the only one doing it? Nope, and that's a very good thing. Community and connectivity is very important.
 
laserbeam said:
So a service that offers what was free for many years on PC with a few additions is gonna be the far more important thing to gaming eh?

Moneyhat confirmed. Live doesn't do anything for gaming that hasn't been done before. it simply brought it to the console. Live doesn't suck or anything but if multiplayer matching etc is whats important to gaming then id say Live has a better chance of destroying gaming then The Wii does
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yeah. that's what bothers me about the comment.

if he'd said 'online gaming is more consequential than something like the wii mote' that'd be one thing... but Live is just a service that packages something that already existed in good way. live makes it easier to game online, but it doesn't make gaming online any more fun than it was for me before it's invention.

less hastle? something i do more often? yes. but not more fun. the fact the wiimote has already brought us games that couldn't have been done otherwise (imho) should show that it's more consequential.

i mean, time will tell and it could say that i'm wrong, but i do think the split handed controllers with motion sensing (if not pointers) are going to become the norm. i sure hope so. split handed if nothing else is so much more comfortable... and a lot friendlier to the 10% of people that are lefties.
 
Endow said:
What?No one is making remarks about Molyneux?
I wonder what people would be saying right now if Dyack said the exact same words...
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Well, Molyneux's actually contributed a couple of good games to the hobby, so we give him a l'il more rope.
 
TheRipDizz said:
Steam has been around for "many years"? Ok.
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As far as downloading Arcade games etc thats a newer feature but online matchmaking etc was a free feature offered by companies for years. As I stated Live took a well established free system and added some features and popped on a fee to use it.

Microsoft didn't magically come up with some magical system its a system others developed years earlier they simply added to it. Live simplified aspects of getting to multiplayer gaming but it certainly doesn't make multiplayer gaming more fun or anything.

As a Service Live is very competent but its not some earth shaking mega invention.
 
Endow said:
What?No one is making remarks about Molyneux?
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Does "mouthbreathing braggart that couldn't translate a design idea into an enjoyable mechanic to save his life" do anything for you?
 
plagiarize said:
gamespy arcade has. complete with chat and cross game invites and all that stuff.

probably other things before that too.
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So you're saying that Online Communities are important? This is not Live vs Wiimote! It's Community vs. Controller. Who cares who invented what when?
 
Endow said:
What?No one is making remarks about Molyneux?
I wonder what people would be saying right now if Dyack said the exact same words...
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It's just too easy about Molyneux - it's pretty hard to take anything he says now as anything but a joke.

Black & White 1&2 started that descent, Fable just confirmed how much of a joke he really is.

This is just the icing on the cake.



Dyack is steadfastly getting to Molyneux-joke legendary proportion though.
 
I've never seen the point in defaming anything a person says because of his history or "who he is" in the industry.

If Molyneux was propping up yet another ambitious title, i'd roll my eyes accordingly, but this quote really has merit and I hardly see how his reputation comes into play.
 
Quick: Which was more important, the modem or the mouse?

I think they're both going to make an impact on the industry.
 
laserbeam said:
As far as downloading Arcade games etc thats a newer feature but online matchmaking etc was a free feature offered by companies for years. As I stated Live took a well established free system and added some features and popped on a fee to use it.

Microsoft didn't magically come up with some magical system its a system others developed years earlier they simply added to it. Live simplified aspects of getting to multiplayer gaming but it certainly doesn't make multiplayer gaming more fun or anything.

As a Service Live is very competent but its not some earth shaking mega invention.
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the same is true of nearly any modern 'invention'. i used shit like the wiimote 10 years ago on games, and even then it wasn't exactly new. it's not like Nintendo invented all the hardware within it. they did what MS did, put it all together in a new package.
 
The Sphinx said:
Quick: Which was more important, the modem or the mouse?

I think they're both going to make an impact on the industry.
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No, only one can have an impact. On GAF we argue black and white topics.
 
I think the really nice thing is that we can actually have both, sooner or later. But hey, boys gotta fight their action figure mans against each other, so let the sparring continue.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
The market is proving him wrong right now. VERY wrong.
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Popular != consequential.

Not that I'm weighing in on one side or the other here..would have to consider it more.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
The market is proving him wrong right now. VERY wrong.
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the quality of the games has proven him right. Unless you're more interested in what the market thinks as opposed to the quality of the system's library.
 
The Sphinx said:
Quick: Which was more important, the modem or the mouse?

I think they're both going to make an impact on the industry.
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Assuredly. My qualm comes with the suite that is live. Is the catalog that XBOX Live offers crucial to the betterment of the industry?

I don't see this as internet vs. Control. I see this as one specialized service (Live) vs a specialized control method (Wiimote),
 
Gigglepoo said:
So you're saying that Online Communities are important? This is not Live vs Wiimote! It's Community vs. Controller. Who cares who invented what when?
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community vs controller wouldn't bother me.

but to call it Live vs Wiimote imho puts far more credit towards Live than it deserves inferring that it invented such community things, and i have a post history praising live. i think it's a great system. i just don't see it as being anything more than a brilliant refinement and combination of already existing ideas and systems.
 
man this statement from him was totally a let down he really hyped up this statement to be so much better than it actually was

did i do it rite
 
jmdajr said:
If I had to choose....

xbox live > waggle...

but to each his own.

I think Wii-mote will have a bigger impact on casuals. Far less "intimidating"
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I made the choice already. I have yet to play a Wii game that I wouldn't have rather been playing on my Gamecube. The Waggle just doesn't do it for me.
 
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
He compares two completely different things. What a nonsense.
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Exactly my thoughts

and lol @ fanthings arguing now what is more consequential (whatever consequential in this context means)
 
Deaconknowledge said:
... but this quote really has merit and I hardly see how his reputation comes into play.
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Bluemercury said:
Remember when he said the wiimote would be revolutionary.....before he was bought by MS.......:lol
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Nothing against Deacon, but this seems pretty funny. :lol
 
plagiarize said:
community vs controller wouldn't bother me.
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Now that that's settled, we should debate which is ultimately more important.

Personally, I think integrated online communities has as much chance of drawing in casual gamers as a simplified, motion sensing control scheme.
 
Gigglepoo said:
This is not an Xbox 360 vs Wii argument. This is a connectivity vs controller argument. How many people do you know who don't use email? How many people use Facebook and MySpace? The point is, Live is making gaming a community. It is doing away with the idea of someone sitting in the dark playing an RPG (Yamauchi quote) all by themselves. It is bringing people together in ways I have never experienced before. Is Live the only one doing it? Nope, and that's a very good thing. Community and connectivity is very important.
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Uh?
People playing on live are still sitting in the dark playing a RPG all by themselves...

And it's not really: Community vs. Controller
It's: Online Community (doesn't close people together) vs Acessibility (more people playing, and you leaving the dark room to play with other people)
 
REV 09 said:
the quality of the games has proven him right. Unless you're more interested in what the market thinks as opposed to the quality of the system's library.
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Wii is starting to have a good library, its just a matter of time so.....besides 360 had a headstart so lets wait a little more.....
 
felipeko said:
Uh?
People playing on live are still sitting in the dark playing a RPG all by themselves...
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Weird, I spend a lot of time chatting with my Friends when I'm playing a single player X360 game. I love having the option to talk to a friend with just a few button presses if a game gets slow or I just feel like making fun of whatever game they're playing. I guess you don't take advantage of its features, but the Online Community is my single favorite feature of the X360.

Maybe you just need some more Friend's on your list.
 
Pfft...come back when a small developer actually makes a full game such as No More Heroes or Dragonblade on XBLA then we'll talk.
 
WasteLand Soldier said:
considering LIVE marketplace video sales have just about surpassed every other online video service i'd have to say i dont agree with you.
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And how is that more "consequential" for videogames?
 
KiticanaX said:
Pfft...come back when a small developer actually makes a full game such as No More Heroes or Dragonblade on XBLA then we'll talk.
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I'm not sure if this is a joke or not. I'm going to assume it is and laugh.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Weird, I spend a lot of time chatting with my Friends when I'm playing a single player X360 game. I love having the option to talk to a friend with just a few button presses if a game gets slow or I just feel like making fun of whatever game they're playing. I guess you don't take advantage of its features, but the Online Community is my single favorite feature of the X360.

Maybe you just need some more Friend's on your list.
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You're still playing the game on a dark room alone..
When i feel like playing, something not alone, i invite friends and play multiplayer games... That is sociable gaming, a thing that online gaming will never get close. And real people > internets

It's like you're comparing MSN Messenger with going out with friends.
 
The Wiimote isn't consequential, its an improvement on the ever-improving art of controls. You had the D-pad, then the analog stick, then rumble, then motion control. Wiimote is merely the flavour of the generation, next generation surely something else will reign supreme.

Live is a bit different, it was the first console online network that was pushed and was fully developed. Every console now has some form of online (no matter how half baked) and practically every title is touched by these online networks. Live was the consoles' harbinger of microtransactions, digially distributed movies, games, demos, TV shows and post-release patching. I'd say that was truly more important. Wait for this generation to end and you will see.
 
Well Xbox Live isn't exactly innovative seeing as we've had the internet for over a decade. On the other hand, the internet does more for gaming than the Wiimote.
 
badcrumble said:
Well Xbox Live isn't exactly innovative seeing as we've had the internet for over a decade. On the other hand, the internet does more for gaming than the Wiimote.
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Let people play alone with other people?
C'mon.
 
GenericPseudonym said:
Live is a bit different, it was the first console online network that was pushed and was fully developed. Every console now has some form of online (no matter how half baked) and practically every title is touched by these online networks. Live was the consoles' harbinger of microtransactions, digially distributed movies, games, demos, TV shows and post-release patching. I'd say that was truly more important. Wait for this generation to end and you will see.
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As soon as they can get the casuals and non-gamers to pick it up, I'll agree that it's consequential.

As long as it's the same old same old audience, it's not going to be much beyond being compared to the online structure in other console systems.
 
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