lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Number 2 said:
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Was this out of principle or rather because you didn't have an internet connection at that time ?
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Peter Moore: Disc Based Gaming Is A "Burning Platform"
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Was this out of principle or rather because you didn't have an internet connection at that time ?
CadetMahoney
Member
I'm all for cutting out the middleman (retailers), but dd-only is so not gonna lower prices.
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
Everyone who thinks games will ultimately be digital download only across the board overestimates how ubiquitous internet technology is now and will be in the future. Companies will push for more digital content, but they will not exclude the substantial market that will continue to exist for those who aren't connected, and if they do it's at their own expense.Visualante said:
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Its because i dont want to have to be online to play games. i play fps for single-player campaigns mostly so multi isnt a concern.lowrider007 said:
Philanthropist
Banned
Looking forward to an all-digital distribution platform. I just don't have any more space for physical games, nor I really want to allocate more space for them. I'd rather have them in my HDD and with the chance of being able to keep backups remotely simply for the fact that I bought them that way.
It could also potentially get rid of piracy, even if pricing could be more expensive.
It could also potentially get rid of piracy, even if pricing could be more expensive.
I love how they assume that Disc Based gaming is going away but I would be shocked if in the next 10 years if it fully goes to a digital distrubution platform but I really believe that no matter what Disc's are not going anywhere anytiime soon no matter how much developers and publishers want it to.
I support Digital Distrubution to a point but I will never fully support it over discs especially because it won't lower prices if anything it will cause prices to go higher for they can get more money out of us.
I support Digital Distrubution to a point but I will never fully support it over discs especially because it won't lower prices if anything it will cause prices to go higher for they can get more money out of us.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
If anything it might raise prices as we would lose the retailer competition that keeps prices low in the first place.CadetMahoney said:
neorej said:
I'm not from the UK but that number sounds very very wrong.
2 sec on Google:
63% of households have internet access with 90+% of those on broadband lines.
http://www.nma.co.uk/broadband-penetration-now-at-63-of-uk-homes/3003920.article
http://blog.markettiers4dc.com/archives/81-Broadband-penetration-now-at-63-of-UK-homes.html
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
i dont believe this at all. In a day and age where development costs are skyrocketing, publishers arent going to pass the savings from DD on to the customer? Thats just crazy talk.grandjedi6 said:
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Digital Distribution is fine for some smaller games or even retail games as an option, but it should never be mandatory imo. Why not have a cheaper DD version and the regular priced disc version? $50 for the DD version of Ninja Gaiden 3 and $60 for the disc version? If gaming were to go DD only, I would probably sit out of the that particular generation for several reasons. I love being able to purchase games on sale whether they are new or old, used games and owning a physical copy of a game that I can trade in, sell or play anytime in my collection. I can take a physical game over my friends house and borrow his. DD games rarely, if ever go on sale or drop in prices. If a game isn't selling at Target, Gamestop or Walmart, guess what? It goes on sale which is obviously advantageous to the customer. If a DD games doesn't sell, it typically stays the same price no matter what. Also, I really don't think it will work as well as developers hope. As mentioned, not everyone has a speedy broadband connection. I guess they cannot purchase new games, right? There goes what could possibly be a decent portion of your userbase which will eat into sales. Hey, you want that new Tekken 7 game with the hefty 75GB Blu Ray download size? You have to download it and wait and wait and wait for it to finish on release day before you even get to play it. Out of room? Delete your old games to make room for new ones. What if some thing goes wrong with your download or your hard drive is suddenly corrupted? There goes your game or you have to start all over. This might be great for developers or publishers because it will obviously eat into the second hand market, but I think it will be very bad for consumers. IMO, there are too many problems associated with a DD only generation. Trust me, developers and publishers are not going to pass the savings to the consumers.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Number 2 said:
You do realise that once you installed and decrypted the game you could of set Steam to off-line mode and HL2 would've of still loaded fine ?, you only was required to have an internet connection to install the game.
If you buy a physical copy of a game, that is like a reward for not pirating. The whole physical experience of holding an original game with it's case in your hands and looking at a (hopefully) gorgeous box-art is an essential part of what makes this hobby so worthwhile for me.
That kind of reward is totally lost in digital distribution. Pirated copys will be 100% equal to legally digital distributed copies.
I don't know if the industry will lose some honest customers and collectors to the pirate way of life...
Also, year after year sales of LEs and CEs seem to increase dramatically. There is an enormous market for nice physical copys. People want to brag with their gaming purchases and gladly spend more money on flashier editions of their games.
I don't see the industry flushing these profits down the toilet...
That kind of reward is totally lost in digital distribution. Pirated copys will be 100% equal to legally digital distributed copies.
I don't know if the industry will lose some honest customers and collectors to the pirate way of life...
Also, year after year sales of LEs and CEs seem to increase dramatically. There is an enormous market for nice physical copys. People want to brag with their gaming purchases and gladly spend more money on flashier editions of their games.
I don't see the industry flushing these profits down the toilet...
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Well obviously used games is a big one but even ignoring that there are so many retailer lead deals out there. Due to the shear number of retailers competing, almost any digital distribution offered out there can be found for cheaper somewhere in retail. Plus we would also lose things like buy 2, get 1 free deals, Amazon's continious 5-8% being knocked off new games, $10 credit for preordering, preorder deals/limited editions bundles, ect. Digital distribution has also sucked for when a game goes down in price as publishers have been rather unwilling to lower their game by the same amount as retailers quickly do.rjcc said:
Um.. yes? You kinda answered the question yourself.Number 2 said:
And besides Valves occasional deals, when has a digital distributor (microsoft, sony, nintendo) ever passed on the savings to the consumer? They seem pretty content on passing the savings into their own pocket book
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Well thats as far as i got was the install so i did not have the chance to find out about offline mode. Still doesnt change my mind.. i did get chances over the years to play all of the Half-Life games because of that sound stutter bug thats been there since HL2. i played them on customers computers.. i needed to test out the sound problem :lollowrider007 said:
i was being sarcastic. DD is almost always more expensive from what ive checked (note: i havent checked much)grandjedi6 said:
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Vast Inspiration said:
I seriously doubt it. Prices will probably stay the same, slightly increase or even possibly increase substantially in some cases. I feel that XBox On Demand is legitimate proof of my inclination. You can purchase most of those games brand new in the store at considerably cheaper prices and I am not going to even mention the used game prices for those game DD games. Call of Duty 2 for $29.99 is insanity and I bet you it isn't going down anytime soon even if COD: MW2 is available. Yay, it is not taking up my shelf space, but I had to spend double for it. I bought COD2 for $20 brand new at Circuit City about 2 and a half or 3 years ago btw. You will rarely, if ever see that happen with DD.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Kosma said:
I'll say it this way, if I don't like the prices or the way things are being handled, sitting out would definitely be a possibility. I'm already not sure if I approve the direction gaming could go in the future. We will see.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
RandomVince said:
:lol what do you mean 'nothing' ?, I get to experience a game, just as I would if I had a physical copy, when you buy a game in physical form you don't actually 'own' that game, you've just purchased license to play a copy of it.
What would really make DD ideal for me is the option to sell of your license second hand on a DD marketplace. That way your game license would be a real commodity, alas I dont see this happening anytime soon.
Steam could implement this (if the publishers would allow it) and maybe include a 5/10% provision fee on your selling price. Which would also sooth the pubs as they would get a cut too.
Now before I DD buy a game I have to ask myself if this game is really worth it, because it's mine forever*
Steam could implement this (if the publishers would allow it) and maybe include a 5/10% provision fee on your selling price. Which would also sooth the pubs as they would get a cut too.
Now before I DD buy a game I have to ask myself if this game is really worth it, because it's mine forever*
Not only that, but if you buy a game new at retail you are allowed to return it within 24 hours for a different game at no loss to the consumer. Meaning if I buy a game on impulse and don't like it I have the extra protection of being able to trade it once for a game that I will/might like. No chance of that happening with DD
lowrider007 said:
thats just legal bullshit
with a physical copy the publisher is NEVER gonna come knock on your door to take your game from you
in 20 years you will still have the game somewhere in your attic if you want
with DD these companies only have to push a button and BOOM you lose your game you supposedly "own"
with physical copy the destiny of your game is in YOUR hands
with DD its not (if they wanna take you "license to play it" away for wathever reason your fucked
lets see them take away your "license" with a physical copy...that shit doesnt happen
fuck DD
lowrider007 said:
I have a disc or a cart that I can do whatever the fuck I want with. I dont care what "license" I have - I own the games I buy. No-one from any of the publishers is going to come to my home and tell me what to do with them or stop me playing them.
And by nothing I mean exactly that - you get nothing, the publisher gets money. There are sufficient examples of online store skullduggery going on to make me wary of buying online.
Stop being an "industry" sycophant.
Yeah, I understand the concerns. Closed platform DD may not be something you want to invest in heavily as a consumer, and I'm personally somewhat wary of it there. Consoles have a lifespan, console wars have winners and losers, and as dictators of everything related to their platforms the big three can and probably will screw us over in some capacity relating to DD.
On PC, though, it's too good to pass up on and makes gaming so much better overall. There are still concerns, yeah, but for now I'm a very satisfied customer of Steam and the other DD services. I have 222 titles a double click away on steam. No reinstalls, no disc finding, no manual patching. Consoles are inconvenient in comparison, especially for multiplayer games. There's no way in hell I'm going to swap out discs and sit through 100 splash screens and go through some dreadfully slow login and update process to play a console game in multiplayer.
On PC, though, it's too good to pass up on and makes gaming so much better overall. There are still concerns, yeah, but for now I'm a very satisfied customer of Steam and the other DD services. I have 222 titles a double click away on steam. No reinstalls, no disc finding, no manual patching. Consoles are inconvenient in comparison, especially for multiplayer games. There's no way in hell I'm going to swap out discs and sit through 100 splash screens and go through some dreadfully slow login and update process to play a console game in multiplayer.
What I'm afraid of in a DD is the return of the Wii storage problem: a built-in storage unit that is too small and which forced you to delete stuff and redownload if necessary. Future storage units will be big enough for the average consumer but not for hardcore gamers.
A way out is when all DD games start to stream data so you can play your games anytime, anywhere but then you will be completely dependent on that download service to continue for years on end. What if MS gets out the console business after the DD only Xbox 720 and turns the servers off after two more years? How long will you be able to play games you've bought? You proabably won't be able to back them up, and if you can they'll only play on 1 physical console so if that one croaks it's game over for your whole game collection.
Those same risks apply to current DD only games on PSN and Xbox Live, but even when those services are gone and none of your DD games will play you'll still have your game discs. In a DD future you could lose ALL of your games if something goes amiss.
A way out is when all DD games start to stream data so you can play your games anytime, anywhere but then you will be completely dependent on that download service to continue for years on end. What if MS gets out the console business after the DD only Xbox 720 and turns the servers off after two more years? How long will you be able to play games you've bought? You proabably won't be able to back them up, and if you can they'll only play on 1 physical console so if that one croaks it's game over for your whole game collection.
Those same risks apply to current DD only games on PSN and Xbox Live, but even when those services are gone and none of your DD games will play you'll still have your game discs. In a DD future you could lose ALL of your games if something goes amiss.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Sure, and that space will just become smaller and smaller. The current way that the game publishing and retail market business works for PC or console is completely busted and only really is sustainable for those that can manage most of their big releases as breaking even and/or profitable. Unless the way things are done is significantly modified to fit within the more financially restrained and easy piracy reality of today, a DD-focused future for gaming on all platforms is going to come that much faster. Physical media will end up being alternative platforms and alternative boutique releases, the way vinyl in music is treated today. You want it physical? You'll probably end up paying more for it.Pachael said:
It's never going to happen. The only reason that the used game market is sustainable is that used copies games/CDs/books etc. are viewed as inferior goods and not a perfect substitute for a new copy.Kosma said:
If people were allowed to "resell" digital licenses, then the shelf life for games would be reduced to a few weeks. One "used" licenses start hitting the market, they would completely wash out new sales, since they ARE perfect substitutes.
AKingNamedPaul
I am Homie
I think with physical memory becoming dirt cheap, and more and more dd happening it will eventually become tv vs radio (DD being tv.) I for one would love a future where we have virtually unlimited hard drive space, and a selection with all those games we have to hunt down, not having to worry about scratches. This future would not be the only choice, but with it becoming the favorable way to buy games, it could evolve into something amazing.
Rhindle said:
Believe me this will happen, its a basic consumer right. There is no way in hell that in the long run this shit will fly in regions like the EU which are very pro consumer rights.
I mean fighting pirates while maintaining that a license is not a real commodity but just a right to use to product cannot go hand in hand.
Vast Inspiration said:
XBLA prices continue to rise. Apple Store prices will rise. They will train people just like they trained the majority of this forum and gamers everywhere to suck down simple maps for $10, DLC for this, nickle and dime for every tiny thing left out for that specific purpose under one excuse or another.
You think they won't continue to push and push and push?
One day, you'll look back and wonder where the days went when you could walk into a store a couple of months after a game's new release and pick it up for half of what it released at. While you stare at it's full priced glory on the DD store controlled by hardware makers.