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[BlueTsunami]

Actually, the cheap shot was the PS3 price. The arrogant executives are the ones at Sony who are telling the world that the price is a good value despite a genereal consensus that the price is batshit crazy.

The price is would be batshit crazy if it was just for the PS3 and the PS3 alone. Being a Blu Ray player and a Next Gen console makes the price more understandable. Don't forget that an HD-DVD drive with the Xbox360 premium is the same price of the PS3 non tard pack.

The only difference is that the Xbox360 is much more consumer friendly with the choice of accessories.

 

[Striek]

Actually, the cheap shot was the PS3 price. The arrogant executives are the ones at Sony who are telling the world that the price is a good value despite a genereal consensus that the price is batshit crazy.

:lol Oh man, it IS fantastic value and theres pretty much nothing anyone can say to dispute that point. You don't have to like the price or buy the console, but damn man.

 

[DarienA]

Actually, the cheap shot was the PS3 price. The arrogant executives are the ones at Sony who are telling the world that the price is a good value despite a genereal consensus that the price is batshit crazy.

I cannot believe you actually responded to my post... damn man is it that bad for you?

 

[Wulfer]

The price is would be batshit crazy if it was just for the PS3 and the PS3 alone. Being a Blu Ray player and a Next Gen console makes the price more understandable. Don't forget that an HD-DVD drive with the Xbox360 premium is the same price of the PS3 non tard pack.

The only difference is that the Xbox360 is much more consumer friendly with the choice of accessories.

This is why S%ny LOSES this gen. I thought they would keep atleast half their market share but, now it dropping to a 1/3 share. The States and Europe are gonna give S%ny the finger. I'm not sure Japan won't be far behind and just support Wii if 360 don't show up better over there. Wii60 FTW! Question how much life blood did S%ny sink into Blu-ray cause Beta-max here we come?

 

[The Hermit]

You must love that P$3 price. Where is your 120ffps, 4-D world now now?

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

Video gaming is a hobby for some and a time waster for many. The majority of the Sony base won't even come close to accepting the $600 price point. Maybe $200 but thats a lot of price drops. Sony is leaving themselves open for tens of millions of Wii and Xbox 360 systems to be sold. Wii in the East; Xbox 360 in the West. Thats all there is to that.

Price drop seems interesting but I imagine its only $50-70.

 

[RaijinFY]

:lol Oh man, it IS fantastic value and theres pretty much nothing anyone can say to dispute that point. You don't have to like the price or buy the console, but damn man.

If Sony put a fantastic value for $1000, you'd buy it?

 

[Striek]

If Sony put a fantastic value for $1000, you'd buy it?

?!
...that obviously depends if I had use for what they offered. Thats all anyone can say really for a purchase that isn't a necessity.

I mean, don't like what PS3 is offering, fine, but don't pretend the value isn't there.

 

[BlueTsunami]

This is why S%ny LOSES this gen. I thought they would keep atleast half their market share but, now it dropping to a 1/3 share. The States and Europe are gonna give S%ny the finger. I'm not sure Japan won't be far behind and just support Wii if 360 don't show up better over there. Wii60 FTW! Question how much life blood did S%ny sink into Blu-ray cause Beta-max here we come?

I agree with you. The PS3 is very Non Conumser friendly by making you buy into Blu Ray (something that may or may not be needed for games, still remains to be seen). Without the accessory system that MS is using for the Xbox360 it makes the pricing for the PS3 feel more rigid.

Though, on the flipside. Sony really thinks that BD will be needed for games down the line (like the transition from CD media to DVDs on the PS2). Also, making an HDD standard. The PS3 is what happens when you want to standardize components instead of chop the console up and setup an accessory system.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Peter Moore wins E3 (even if winning is overrated).

 

[MightyHedgehog]

There's no alliance to break in the first place. Because there's no way Nintendo is going to support this alliance as MS (like Sony) represents everything they want to get away from.

Sheesh...should I have bolded, italicized, and underscored the numeral one in my statement? I was kidding. The Wii60 'alliance' is nothing more than a personal statement of what I support the most among the three consoles while having fun pouring some salt into the wound of Sony's Barringer Crater-sized fuck up of a pricing announcement and otherwise uber-disappointing showing at E3. No one's seriously taking the Wii60 bit to be anything more. At least, I'd think so. It's more of a political statement in a lot of ways, I suppose.

In other words: fuck off Sony for asking for some ridiculouso mucho monies from us gamerz.

 

[KINGMOKU]

The price is would be batshit crazy if it was just for the PS3 and the PS3 alone. Being a Blu Ray player and a Next Gen console makes the price more understandable. Don't forget that an HD-DVD drive with the Xbox360 premium is the same price of the PS3 non tard pack.

The only difference is that the Xbox360 is much more consumer friendly with the choice of accessories.

See the key thing that you, and seemingly alot of people on these boards who defend the price with that absourd "The value with Blu-ray e.t.c." mantra is that Sony's fanbase, EG: The people who bought thier system, are casual players, and have ZERO IDEA what Blu-ray is, or do they even care what it is. All they know is that the "Playstation" wich was 2-300$ when they bought it, is now 5-600$.

They WILL LOOK ELSEWHERE.

Value means NOTHING to 90% of Sonys marketshare.

Nintendo would have an easier time with this pricepoint then Sony, becuase there are a HELL of alot more Nintendo hardcore fansthen Sony fans who would pay 600$ for thier system. Sony DID NOT think this through, and it WILL BITE THEM IN THE ASS.

 

[Azih]

There's no alliance to break in the first place. Because there's no way Nintendo is going to support this alliance as MS (like Sony) represents everything they want to get away from.

Look at this point 360/PS3 are competing with the Wii just as much as thick juicy steaks compete with sweet refreshing icecream. They're not. Microsoft doesn't have much of a history with Nintendo so they're more than happy to help Nintendo hurt Sony in Japan with any minor assists they can and have NO problem with homes becoming 'Wii60' households at all.

Kutaragi on the other hand hates Nintendo's guts and the DS and PSP are competing directly against each other.

Let's see what these rumours of a MS handheld are, but knowing MS it's just going to be UMPC Part II: Saner attempt then any sort of dedicated gaming platform.

 

[Wulfer]

BlueTsunami, the only thing I think M$ should do with 360 is make the HDD standard now and for go the price drop! Include HDD with every system. Then S%ny's really gonna hit the RED as in blood sucking.

 

[Cheebs]

Sheesh...should I have bolded, italicized, and underscored the numeral one in my statement? I was kidding. The Wii60 'alliance' is nothing more than a personal statement of what I support the most among the three consoles while having fun pouring some salt into the wound of Sony's Barringer Crater-sized fuck up of a pricing announcement and otherwise uber-disappointing showing at E3. No one's seriously taking the Wii60 bit to be anything more. At least, I'd think so. It's more of a political statement in a lot of ways, I suppose.

In other words: fuck off Sony for asking for some ridiculouso mucho monies from us gamerz.

Exactly. There is no alliance between the companies. It is just that many Nintendo fans and MS fans who might have gotten a PS2 last gen as their second console and instead are going with 360/Wii instead to show Sony they are unwilling to support such high prices.

 

[BlueTsunami]

See the key thing that you, and seemingly alot of people on these boards who defend the price with that absourd "The value with Blu-ray e.t.c." mantra is that Sony's fanbase, EG: The people who bought thier system, are casual players, and have ZERO IDEA what Blu-ray is, or do they even care what it is. All they know is that the "Playstation" wich was 2-300$ when they bought it, is now 5-600$.

They WILL LOOK ELSEWHERE.

Value means NOTHING to 90% of Sonys marketshare.

Nintendo would have an easier time with this pricepoint then Sony, becuase there are a HELL of alot more Nintendo hardcore fansthen Sony fans who would pay 600$ for thier system. Sony DID NOT think this through, and it WILL BITE THEM IN THE ASS.

True but you can't say that theres no value. Buy a PS3 at say $399 (without a Blu Ray drive) then get a standalone player for $1000? In the case we have now you get both for $599. I'm just trying to let it be known that there is value to this package, it just prices itself out of peoples price range (when buying electronics).

Also, i'm not defending this decision just because Sony said to accept it. I was planning to get a standalone Blu Ray player if the PS3 didn't come with a drive for whatever reason. This is saving me a good $400 bucks.

As far as people that just want to play games? It sucks for them and I'm also in the group that thinks it may end up biting Sony in the ass. For the time being though, i'm happy that i'm getting a Blu Ray drive and HDD standard.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

True but you can't say that theres no value. Buy a PS3 at say $399 (without a Blu Ray drive) then get a standalone player for $1000? In the case we have now you get both for $599. I'm just trying to let it be known that there is value to this package, it just prices itself out of peoples price range (when buying electronics).

Everyone knows this already.

News flash: I don't give a shit about Blu Ray. So in your example, I'd have a PS3 for $399.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Everyone knows this already.

News flash: I don't give a shit about Blu Ray. So in your example, I'd have a PS3 for $399.

Appearently one guy didn't, which is why I brought it up in the first place

 

[MightyHedgehog]

True but you can't say that theres no value.

See, this is the thing with the idea of 'value.' PS3's only a value to those that want everything in it at the price they're putting on it. It's not a value to those that aren't interested in paying for it and that, I would say, is most of us. I want HD content on disc, but not now when the format war is not yet started and not even close to being decided upon by the content providers. I'll be damned if I'm gonna help Sony out in a format war I'm just not ready to be an extra $100-$200 invested into. If Sony had a more compelling lineup of games, I might not feel as strongly about it....but they've given me, personally, nothing to pay that extra dough for right away. I can wait for a price drop or until something I just have to have is available.

 

[Mrbob]

That's possible, all i'm saying is that if Nintendo starts eating into MS marketshare you aren't going to see Moore making these comments. It's only happening now because they don't see them as a threat to them.

Possible?

No.

Inevitable.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Look at this point 360/PS3 are competing with the Wii just as much as thick juicy steaks compete with sweet refreshing icecream. They're not. Microsoft doesn't have much of a history with Nintendo so they're more than happy to help Nintendo hurt Sony in Japan with any minor assists they can and have NO problem with homes becoming 'Wii60' households at all.

I can see some of that, but what i'm talking about is that the reason MS (well Moore) is mentioning the the Rev is because they don't see it as a threat to them in the Western markets. If it does become one (and if it tops the PS3 in Japan it will) you won't see this talk anymore. They might not have a problem with households becoming a Rev and 360 household, but they will have a problem when alot of other households start becoming only a Rev household because of the system bringing in new people.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I want HD content on disc, but not now when the format war is not yet started and not even close to being decided upon by the content providers.

See this is the thing. I'm not worried about Blu Ray losing. I'm sure that BD/HD-DVD hybrid players will be prominent years down the line if HD-DVD ends up being the victor...vice versa for people who bought into HD-DVD and BD being the victor.

I understand about the investment aspect. Like I had already stated, $600 pretty much is priced out of alot of peoples range that they would spend on a gameing console. Though, i'm not sometype of rich 20 year old. I'm a novice computer technician that doesn't make that much money. I'm willing to save up money each month to get the PS3 though.

I'm willing to make that investment since i'll probably just be playing with my PS3 when it comes to video games (i'll have a Wii too of course) and I can finally watch HD movies that I buy legaly from Best Buy (or where ever).

 

[tebiro boy]

I wonder how Rare is feeling about Moore's positive remarks about Wii, considering Viva Pinata seems to be Microsoft's attempt to target precisely the market Wii is (supposedly, according to Moore himself) going for.

I still can't get over him defending the name, though, especially with the Yahoo/Google comparison Nintendo has been peddling since day one. Unbelievable. :lol

 

[wazoo]

BlueTsunami, the only thing I think M$ should do with 360 is make the HDD standard now and for go the price drop! Include HDD with every system. Then S%ny's really gonna hit the RED as in blood sucking.

They are pretty much ready to do that. Xbox360 was built with a price war in mind I think (by opposition to the Xbox). People are comparing the 500/600 price of the ps3 to the current price of the X360. In november the ps3 will be 500/600, who knows about the X360.

 

[SyNapSe]

I can see some of that, but what i'm talking about is that the reason MS (well Moore) is mentioning the the Rev is because they don't see it as a threat to them in the Western markets. If it does become one (and if it tops the PS3 in Japan it will) you won't see this talk anymore. They might not have a problem with households becoming a Rev and 360 household, but they will have a problem when alot of other households start becoming only a Rev household because of the system bringing in new people.

I think your way off base on this. They are competing for completely seperate markets. It's like saying Mario Football is competing with Madden. They are both football games but very distinct crowds are going to be interested in them. Mario Football may sell more but it certainly wouldn't take people away from Madden if they want a realistic sim type football experience.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I think your way off base on this. They are competing for completely seperate markets. It's like saying Mario Football is competing with Madden. They are both football games but very distinct crowds are going to be interested in them. Mario Football may sell more but it certainly wouldn't take people away from Madden if they want a realistic sim type football experience.

The same thing was said about DS and PSP and look what happened with that. Theres no such thing as completley different markets. They will overlap from the getgo. Not 100% of course but Nintendo and Microsoft will be trying to grab for casuals.

 

[yoopoo]

Harhar http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/loos/videos/MGS4trailer.wmv

 

[SyNapSe]

The same thing was said about DS and PSP and look what happened with that. Theres no such thing as completley different markets. They will overlap from the getgo. Not 100% of course but Nintendo and Microsoft will be trying to grab for casuals.

I understand that, but if you were to release a Mario Football this summer how would it compare to Madden? What would it sell 200,000 copies? That's why Nintendo is looking to make games that are even more simple (like wii sports) to try and pull in new gamers. It's hard for me to imagine ID creating Doom 5 exclusive for the Wii no matter how much marketshare it gains, or if they did it would be to take advantage of the wiimote and it would be a much different game. People would just move back to the PC. That's the market MS is after.. people who want PC style games and don't or can't spend the money to upgrade constantly.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

E3 2005 Peter Moore mocked
E3 2006 Peter Moore vindicated

 

[SolidSnakex]

I think your way off base on this. They are competing for completely seperate markets. It's like saying Mario Football is competing with Madden. They are both football games but very distinct crowds are going to be interested in them. Mario Football may sell more but it certainly wouldn't take people away from Madden if they want a realistic sim type football experience.

We're having this discussion in the GC Flashback thread. What it all comes down to is game development, both the PS3 and 360 is forcing devs to put in alot of money or else they risk their game not even getting noticed on the system, the other risk is that even if they're noticed it doesn't meant hey're going to sell. If the Rev is a success (as in it winning) then Sony and MS are going to start shaking. Because again, it represents everything they arne't.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Jesus Christ, Peter Moore is one cold blooded fucker!:lol Bra-vo, sir.

 

[Mrbob]

MS really doesn't have much to worry about in the west. They are on pace to have 10 million shipped systems by the time the Wii and PS3 hit (mostly shipped in the west), software is selling at an amazing rate. 2007 is going to be a huge year for the X360, with Mass Effect coming out, and then GTA4 and Halo 3 as well. From there, alongside various hardware price drops, can steamroll into something big. MS has positioned themselves extremely well into a position of strength going into this next generation.

MS is going to finish this generation much stronger than last generation, even if it gets outsold by the Wii.

 

[raYne]

:lol Peter rocks.

 

[Zaphod]

If Sony put a fantastic value for $1000, you'd buy it?

I picked up a nice 13" Vaio for $1000 so for me I'd have to say yes. I'm still probably getting a Wii though...

 

[PhoenixDark]

Moore is on a freaking roll.

$350 xbox 360? Another step to 10 million units amirite!?

 

[Speevy]

The actual difference in price of admission for the PS3 and 360 as gaming consoles (and nothing else) is $100, the same as the difference between the PS2 and Gamecube at launch. If you're not interested in media or demos/arcade games on the 360, it's $160.

However, since the $400 tag is already seen as a jump, I'd say MS is in very good shape this holiday season.

 

[goldenpp72]

The difference speevy, is that 300 dollars had been accepted as 'ok', the 400 dollar price swayed many people into wait and see mode, and now the ps3 'premium' is 200 more then that. In context, you could have owned an xbox and a ps2 at both of their launches for the same price.

Thats how big of a jump it is.

 

[Speevy]

Oh I know it's a huge jump. Before the announcement I was actually considering selling every console and game I own for a $400 system which btw would have destroyed MS almost instantly.

Now MS has the comfort of the price drop that always puts the 360 at less than the PS3.

 

[Dahbomb]

:lol Moore made a funny.

 

[Pellham]

The price is would be batshit crazy if it was just for the PS3 and the PS3 alone. Being a Blu Ray player and a Next Gen console makes the price more understandable. Don't forget that an HD-DVD drive with the Xbox360 premium is the same price of the PS3 non tard pack.

The only difference is that the Xbox360 is much more consumer friendly with the choice of accessories.

If the price isn't batshit crazy, then including the unnecessary blue-ray component is batshit crazy. The PS3 would be a good $300 cheaper without it.

 

[sky]

There's a rumor that he's maybe working on the Xboy, a portable Xbox.
I think J was actually on the grassy-knoll in '63 in Dallas.

Was he also responsible for hiding all those Xboxes at Area 51?
He actually hid the E.T. cartridges, that's how far back he goes.

:lol pretty witty guy... seems more down to earth than most execs.

 

[skyfinch]

The man's heartless and somewhat vicious. I bet he's behind the death of Frame City Killers.

 

[krypt0nian]

Roll on, Peter, roll on... :lol

 

[PjotrStroganov]

I can see some of that, but what i'm talking about is that the reason MS (well Moore) is mentioning the the Rev is because they don't see it as a threat to them in the Western markets. If it does become one (and if it tops the PS3 in Japan it will) you won't see this talk anymore. They might not have a problem with households becoming a Rev and 360 household, but they will have a problem when alot of other households start becoming only a Rev household because of the system bringing in new people.

I agree. Major Nelson also gladly admits playing on the DS but doesn't ever mention PSP in a positive way. And you'd think a Microsoft guy would at least appreciate the multimedia aspects of it.

And of course people who say the Wii is a competitor of the Xbox 360 are right. But a tv or a washing machine are also competitors, no matter how different objects are; one euro spent on a washing machine is one euro less spend on a console. But if we talk about competitors within the gaming market, the Wii is much less a competitor to the Xbox 360 than the PS3. Moore feels more comfortable because he thinks gamers always need the big AAA standard franchises next to the "fun" Wii games.

If the Wii would is going to take up marketshare away from the Xbox 360, Moore will be less willing to mention the Wii and it's features.

The difference speevy, is that 300 dollars had been accepted as 'ok', the 400 dollar price swayed many people into wait and see mode, and now the ps3 'premium' is 200 more then that. In context, you could have owned an xbox and a ps2 at both of their launches for the same price.

Thats how big of a jump it is.

You know there is there is a world outside the US?

 

[GreekWolf]

Quote of E3 :lol :lol

 

[Uncle]

seems more down to earth than most execs.

That he does. I'll never forget the interview in 1upshow (IIRC) where he seemed to be intoxicated and he was wearing a t-shirt that read "I'm a legend in Japan". I think it is the same interview where the roll eyes gif came from.

 

[Adam Blade]

Seriously, Peter Moore can say nothing wrong now. :lol :lol

 

[norinrad21]

I lol'ed :lol :lol :lol

wii60 going strong since E3 2006

 

[IJoel]

hahaha

Peter Moore punked all those bastards at GAF and 1UP who made fun of him. Not only that, but J Allard's VENTS also did.

 

[GreekWolf]

That he does. I'll never forget the interview in 1upshow (IIRC) where he seemed to be intoxicated and he was wearing a t-shirt that read "I'm a legend in Japan". I think it is the same interview where the roll eyes gif came from.

I think that interview is when Che decided to work for Microsoft :lol