Yea, just excluding the entire game.
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Phil Spencer: "Not a fan of marketing deals with exclusive content"
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Yea, just excluding the entire game.
Shifty1897
Member
Exactly my thoughts. They didn't seem to be too bothered by it when they bought Tomb Raider exclusivity for a year.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Okay Phil, you did a deal that basically killed a franchise that just came back
primovinny
Member
People at GAF have problems reading sentences it seems. He is talking that marketing deals making content exclusive to a game in a plataform for a given time is bullshit. "But he had a lot of launch exclusives!" Of course they had, Sony had taken almost all big titles marketing deals, MS had to show some smaller games. "But then they should invest in first-party games!" But they are. SoT, Crackdown and HW2 expansion are statements that they are. "I don't like SoT (graphics), Crackdown "seems" janky and turn-strategy games never work on consoles!" Then don't buy an Xbox. He is telling the truth, MS has no exclusive content to a game due to a marketing deal, Sony does. (they had in the past, of course, but if they are getting away from that that's good)
Nightengale
Member
Is that the hill you want to die on?
Yeah that was definitely a low point for him, and I think he knows it.
As for his assertion in the article that technology shouldn't be held back in contracts etc, I have 2 words for ya Phil "parity clause"
But kidding aside, most devs do what they can to maximize each platform, so I'm 100% confident 1X will be the definitive version of each multiplat when it comes to performance and visuals. There's no reason to think otherwise. Games that had MS marketing deals in the past routinely performed and looked better on PS4, so no reason to think that same trend won't continue now.
Ghost Slayer
Member
No shit Sherlock, it included the whole game
ScientificPizza
Banned
Exclusive games are not exclusive content
WordsintheWater
Member
Says the guy who's whole conference was some announcer yelling exclusive at the audience for almost an hour.
Don't be a hypocrite Phil, both companies do dirty shit.
Don't be a hypocrite Phil, both companies do dirty shit.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
Not the same game, not the same content.
Majmun
Member
What's worse according to you?
Neuromancer
Member
Good thing he has a deep bench of first party games to fall back on.
So those 23 Console launch exclusive is better than exclusive content?
Edit : Not 23 since some of them are actual exclusive but you get my point.
Grim Patron
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MasterForm
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Do you not remember Rise of the Tomb Raider? Dude is full of it.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Jesus, some of you guys, I swear
We shall see. Just like with the "Marketing deals are not our strategy" comes E3 has multiple games with Launch exclusivity also partnering up with a big new AAA IP. Also as expected usual suspects lapping this up at face value.
Atm it isn't but let's see later in the year/next year.
Games are apparently not content.
Atm it isn't but let's see later in the year/next year.
Also probably this.
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Really now?? so locking up the entire game is better or something...
Games are apparently not content.
I wonder how much Rise sold overall compared to teh first one
First reboot sold over 8 million units I think.
ScientificPizza
Banned
I mean timed exclusives aren't good, but they are clearly not what he is talking about here
Nightengale
Member
It's not what he's talking about because he'd be called out for it instead of it he did.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
He's not choosing to speak about this. He was asked. He answered the only way he could. There is no information or opinions in the answer, just PR. Microsoft have a lot of low blows to gaming culture with parity and exclusives and the like. They're not above doing nasty deals.
TBiddy
Member
thankyou.gif.
Considering that NeoGAF consists of a lot of intelligent individuals, it's part amazing and part frightening to see the collective cognitive dissonance in some threads. I mean, it's not exactly rocket science, this.
Change of leadership. But what do you think? Do you agree, that it's bad for the industry?
Ghost Slayer
Member
Naive as hell, seriously man, do you expect that if Xbox One were a top player in the industry and those exclusive deals helped MS sell the console, Phil gonna talk to 3rd parties: "Nah man, this is bad for the industry, we should stop this"? What do you think 3rd parties gonna do? Agree with MS or go to Sony and get the quick cash?
John Kowalski
Banned
Get the feeling Phil's optimal videogame industry would be anything but how it is right now
But you don't see how holding back a whole game for say a year is worse than holding back a strike or a skin for a whole year for a consumer?
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
I'm not a fan of it either however, correct me if I'm wrong, was it not MS who started this shit last gen and then more recently done so with Tomb Raider?
Uno Venova
Banned
But it's not like they have a choice, this is just the path they have to take as a distant second.
MS as a market leader would have been just as bad as they were last generation with exclusive deals.
MS as a market leader would have been just as bad as they were last generation with exclusive deals.
ScientificPizza
Banned
What? I mean it's really not that difficult to see what he means. Hacing a game exclusive to a platform (even if that exclusivity is timed) is entirely different than having games launch on multiple platforms with one having more content than the rest. That shit sucks. Both because it is needlessly taking content away from consumers and because nine times out of ten that exclusive content is worthless or pushes the entire multiplayer base to one platform when it could thrive on multiple platforms.
Timed exclusivity for entire games is also bad but it's an entirely different thing from content exclusivity
TBiddy
Member
Neither is a good thing for the industry/consumers.
Phil sounds like someone who cares about "the good of the games," possibly to the detriment of Xbox's own success, based on positions like this and backwards compatibility. The only thing I've heard him recently say indicating otherwise is explaining Microsoft's 1st party focus on live-games rather than narrative games.
Psychoward
Banned
They have it in more games than Sony has it so lol
For the record I think the destiny exclusive content is bullshit, but bungie is salty at Microsoft
Also the amount of exclusives compared to the ps4 or even switch is pathetic
Neither is a good thing, but then you get people complaining about exclusives everyday.
Yeah but one is clearly less of an evil that we have to live with. When destiny dropped, Xbox players weren't left in the cold. The game itself didn't suffer because of having a smaller audience. When tomb raider dropped ps4 gamers suffered and the game suffered in sales when it eventually was released to others
Psychoward
Banned
And Microsoft partakes in both and then their Xbox head has the gall to say how it's terrible for the industry and consumers.
Fixed2BeBroken
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TBiddy
Member
There's around 0% evidence, that sales struggled because of the exclusivity.
ScientificPizza
Banned
I don't think this is true. Does Microsoft have *any* content exclusivity deals?
lmao some people
Yearsoflurking
Member
doesn't that have a third game?
I have to disagree with him here and probably a majority here. I do not see anything wrong with such deals. These companies need to differentiate their platform from others, and exclusive content in any form is a time tested way of doing it. I do not see anything wrong with it. Be it time exclusivity for an entire game or just some DLC/maps/etc. it is just another way to make your platform better than your competitors.
Psychoward
Banned
Fifa, division, cod...
What the fuck is going on in here?
Do you honestly believe there is only one guy (Phil) doing marketing deals and that no other wheels elsewhere turn or have turned in the past?
And are we arguing exclusives are the same if not worse than a multi platform game holding back finished content for all but one due to being given money?
Yooo
Do you honestly believe there is only one guy (Phil) doing marketing deals and that no other wheels elsewhere turn or have turned in the past?
And are we arguing exclusives are the same if not worse than a multi platform game holding back finished content for all but one due to being given money?
Yooo
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