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Phil Spencer talks about working with Nintendo on Minecraft and overall
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AmuroChan
Gold Member
Not a laughing matter. Nintendo is a publicly traded company. The shareholders (of which I am one) have been wanting Nintendo to go the direction of mobile and 3rd party for a while now. Software is where the money's at. If your hardware is struggling to sell, then you're just leaving money on the table by stranding your software library on a failing platform. It's not rocket science to see that Nintendo would make far more money if their games are released on PS4/X1. It would also save them billions on hardware R&D.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
I feel like I've read this exact statement from Phil already, a long time ago.
I sincerely doubt you'll see any new, non-Minecraft Microsoft games on Switch. You absolutely won't see any Nintendo games new or old on Xbox. But I do think (and hope) that some sort of arrangement could be made in regards to Rare's legacy titles and maaaaybe Banjo in Smash.
I think having pre-buyout Rare games on Switch VC would be fair. Battletoads, Killer Instict, Blast Corps, Conker, PD, Jet Force Gemini and the N64 Banjos. The original Diddy Kong Racing could also be released since it uses IP from both. MS gets paid, Nintendo makes money off of games they originally paid to develop, everyone wins. I doubt MS would port games that Rare made under them, though.
Such talks could also rekindle discussion about the abandoned Goldeneye remaster Rare was working on, perhaps leading to a release on Switch and XB1.
I think having pre-buyout Rare games on Switch VC would be fair. Battletoads, Killer Instict, Blast Corps, Conker, PD, Jet Force Gemini and the N64 Banjos. The original Diddy Kong Racing could also be released since it uses IP from both. MS gets paid, Nintendo makes money off of games they originally paid to develop, everyone wins. I doubt MS would port games that Rare made under them, though.
Such talks could also rekindle discussion about the abandoned Goldeneye remaster Rare was working on, perhaps leading to a release on Switch and XB1.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Imagine somewhere in an alternate timeline, Microsoft was successfully able to purchase Nintendo and Sega.
I completely forgot about this. I still wanna know what this was about.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Let's start with that Goldeneye Remaster collab first Phillip!
I do think it would be cool though to throw each other a bone now and again. It would help pad each others game lineup and diversity quite nicely. Probably never happen though.
I do think it would be cool though to throw each other a bone now and again. It would help pad each others game lineup and diversity quite nicely. Probably never happen though.
They want to make Sea of Thieves, and that's exactly what they are doing. It's clear they now have licence under Phil to do what they want. Will we see another Banjo-Kazooie? I'd say probably, but not until 2018-2019. If you see Rare's HQ it's like a shrine to Banjo.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Very vey recently too.
Hopefully the above though means that maybe we can finally get the Goldeneye rights sorted so we can see the XBLA port rise from the ashes.
CrispyBoar
Banned
Reason I said that is that you think that Microsoft & Sony will last longer in the gaming industry while Nintendo won't.
It's Reyn Time!
Member
It's not just a matter of the staff being gone, that's just one (obviously big) part of it, but there's a lot more to it than that.
First of all the industry itself has changed dramatically since Rare's heyday - no company could afford to take Rare's old approach to game development. AAA games with a distinctly British sense of humour, huge delays and a pile of different projects on the go across multiple genres at once? Nobody would take those risks now.
Secondly, the entire philosophy, working environment and structure of Rare has been mismanaged to the point where nothing of its 'soul' remains. From the stories which have come out of Rare over the years I understand the need Microsoft had to try and drag Rare into the 21st century but to say they failed spectacularly in every way possible is an understatement.
As for the question raised by the OP, Banjo in Smash would be a bigger get for Microsoft than it would Nintendo as it's free advertising for minimal investment. Mario in Minecraft sold more copies of Minecraft for Microsoft, for minimal investment. Rare's back catalog on Nintendo would benefit Nintendo more than Microsoft, which is why it won't happen. Nintendo'a games on Microsoft's consoles would be a huge get for them.
JinjoUnchained
Member
I'd love to see gaming's version of Who Framed Roger Rabbit? A collaborative title between Nintendo/Sony/MS/3rd parties sharing IPs and appearing in all three systems plus PC. They could share costs and profits.
That would never happen in a million years, but man, wouldn't it be great to see what they come up with?
That would never happen in a million years, but man, wouldn't it be great to see what they come up with?
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Taking this as confirmation that Bowser will be kicking off Season 4 of Killer Instinct
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Samus in Killer Instinct would be fucking unbelievable.
It's Reyn Time!
Member
I'd say that chucking Nintendo's colourful, fun mascots in a game with Microsoft and Sony's more famous characters would be pretty jarring in terms of tone but you compared it to Who Framed Roger Rabbit, a film where cute cartoon characters are dissolved in acid and die screaming, so not only is that entirely comparable to what you described but also I need to see this happen now.
That's not really sage advice as you're also asking Nintendo to downsize as a company. No one wants to see a company downsize and reduce their output. There is no way they could keep making the things they do after losing their own platform as history has told us. Even if Nintendo is seen as "different" than the norm, I do not see the outcome being any different than history.
Outside of transitional periods, they publish anywhere between 20-30 games a year. That's including their own developed titles and 3rd party exclusives. That wouldn't be possible with a downsized Nintendo just like it's not possible for many other 3rd party companies. They'll be firing on all cylinders for Switch without any redundant titles and focused on their own single platform and benefitting from getting 100% of the money back. I think it was said somewhere that BoTW only needs about 2 million to break even, that's their good budgeting, taking their time, and being able to get 100% of the profit back. That's a benefit of being first party.
People want Nintendo to stay in business and to get better. No one wants to see them downsize, just like no one wants to see Sony downsize or Microsoft downsize.
EDIT:
I'd say shareholders telling Nintendo to just quit isn't helping them at all. Telling them to expand, seek out new partnerships, find more ways to bring in business to their platform. Being more proactive. Mobile is one way, and I'm okay with that, but forming new partnerships with 3rd parties and building bridges is something I want to see too. Them getting into amusement parks is good, and wanting to do movies and cartoons is good, they should have been doing this forever ago.
I don't have a much of a voice to reach the company as I'm not a shareholder, I'm some guy on NeoGAF, but I think shareholders should be doing more than just telling them to put their games on other platforms and such.
MilkyJoe
Member
Can't believe it wasn't a condition of Minecraft on Nintendo
The Antitype
Banned
One of them should just buy the other.
That way you'd get all of Nintendo's first party games, plus Halo, Gears, Forza and Rare, all on an online infrastructure that's worth a shit.
That way you'd get all of Nintendo's first party games, plus Halo, Gears, Forza and Rare, all on an online infrastructure that's worth a shit.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
I think this is more like asking for Halo Switch.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
I would finally go back to PC from Mac land if Nintendosoft Office became a thing.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Microsoft has repeatedly tried to buy Nintendo for years.
I've been told as recently as the last couple of years.
LordBaztion
Member
Ok Nintendo, you had one of the biggest current IPs on one of your console, thanks to MS. Now, greenlight that goldeneye remake.
Also, put Samus on KI please
Also, put Samus on KI please
lightskintwin
Banned
One of them is worth over 400 billion dollars, while the other one is worth less than 20 billion.
Only one of them has a chance of buying the other one out.
That's an extremely short-sighted view. Maybe it's the view of someone who wants to make quick money off Nintendo stock.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
What about Yoshi. He could swallow enemy projectile attacks and shits eggs back at them
Chill Penguin
Member
Everyone in the industry has a soft spot for Nintendo. They're the most important and influential company in the history of gaming. Even today I'd consider them the best developer in the world.
lol wow
It would be nice if they could find a way to work together in the future. Get Banjo in Smash! I could even see Master Chief in Smash, honestly.
I also expect them to work something out when it comes to Goldeneye and a potential N64 classic sometime down the road.
A Nintendo Rare Replay that removed Grabbed By the Ghoulies, Perfect Dark Zero, Viva Pinata, Jetpac Refueled, and Nuts and Bolts and replaced them with the DKC trilogy, Donkey Kong 64, Star Fox Adventures, and maybe the GBA Banjo game, Banjo Pilot, and Diddy Kong Racing (probably the inferior DS version, but whatever) would be a great package. I doubt it'd happen, but honestly I wouldn't 100% rule it out.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Nintendo is worth 400 billion?
lightskintwin
Banned
Yeah, right. LOL
Although if any company were to buy Nintendo that I'd consider to be a perfect fit, it'd be Disney.
They would go to Sony before getting in bed with MS. Honor and shame and all that...
Seriously though, they'll never get in bed with MS. Their games and Xbox hardware are the ultimate bomba combo.
Banjo in Smash is pretty different from allowing them to sell one of their games. Bringing over the Rare catalog could just as well result in lost sales to a competitor. Putting Banjo in Smash though, that's not something they could be doing on Xbox. It's not a lost sale. That's just a really sweet advertisement. I guess you could argue that it is a drop in the bucket toward making Wii U more appealing vs XB1, but I'm sure MS is so far from being worried about that. I always kinda wondered who pays who for guest characters in Smash. It makes Nintendo's game more appealing, but also makes those characters and brands more visible to potential new fans.
I don't really get what was up with Minecraft, but I guess it's just that they thought it might sell enough to be worthwhile. I'm glad the companies seem to be at least a little capable of working together, but I hope it doesn't lead much further than that.
If that means we will finally get a proper metroid then I hope the switch fails hard and swiftly.
Nah, if this miracle ever happened at that point they'd go with the original for sure. Fans recall that more fondly (same reason why they went with OG Conker and not the Xbox remake), plus, for practical purposes, it wouldn't be worth it to stick a DS emulator in there just for one game when the N64 version would be better received -and- other games from that console would be supported already.
Jawmuncher
Member
Master Chief 4 Smash
Because Minecraft actually makes money. And lots of it.
Capcom, Sega, Atari and others don't have their own platform to sell their old games on. Mobile is another story but Xbox and PlayStation? I'm not seeing it.
Milly Osworth
Member
MS will buy Nintendo and we wont see Mario or Link ever again. The Rare treatment.
I feel that nes games and snes games are way more timeless than n64 games. 3d games have been done so much better post n64, while the same isn't as true for 2d games.
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