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[YakiSOBA]

So I did something totally random today: I went to a campus showing by some students/artsy/etc thing that I would never usually go to. I see ads for this stuff all the time plastered all over the University.

It was about Iran, and I found it really interesting and informative. Yeah there was a lot of crap about politics and all that, but things I found most interesting:

-It fucking snows there!!!
-They actually haven't had any public executions for over 50 years (not sure if this is true)
-They aren't all crazy mofo's ready to self-destruct on your asses (yet..)
-Everyone living in Iran knows that their government funnels money into palestine, iraq, etc...

I don't know why I'm sharing all this, it was only a 1.5hr thing (45min movie, 45min questions/discussions). I don't even know why I went, but I think it was interesting, even though it was at 7:30am. Now I go back to sleep.

 

[Scrow]

wow, that's beautiful.

 

[HomShaBom]

-They actually haven't had any public executions for over 50 years (not sure if this is true)

False.

 

[Pellham]

They actually haven't had any public executions for over 50 years (not sure if this is true)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ays-Iranian-minister-meeting-British-MPs.html

this looks pretty public to me. and most definately within the last 50 years.

i don't know if you're just trying to be a propagandist or if you're actually that gullible enough to believe everything they tell you...

also, i feel sorry for all the women in those photos who are forced to cover themselves out of fear of the morality police.

 

[Escape Goat]

Iran in nuclear winter already?

 

[Funky Papa]

A good friend of mine works there. Iran is moving on and it could turn into an extremely important country in the next decades assuming nobody starts another senseless war. It's becoming a modern nation faster than most people could think considering the circumstances -- hardly the caricature of a country portrayed by the media.

 

[teepo]

-They aren't all crazy mofo's ready to self-destruct on your asses (yet..)
-Everyone living in Iran knows that their government funnels money into palestine, iraq, etc...
[/QUOTE]

yeh... this is partly true for most of the population in tehran but outside, fuck no.

 

[Blackface]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ays-Iranian-minister-meeting-British-MPs.html

this looks pretty public to me. and most definately within the last 50 years.

i don't know if you're just trying to be a propagandist or if you're actually that gullible enough to believe everything they tell you...

also, i feel sorry for all the women in those photos who are forced to cover themselves out of fear of the morality police.

You obviously don't know much about Iran, or it's people. Not all woman are fully covered up. Most do it simply for religious reasons. Every woman I have ever known from Iran, and keep in mind I live in Etobicoke Toronto, has worn it by choice. However, they are not always covered from head to toe, and their face is rarely ever covered, if they don't want it to be. Obviously you will have religious extremists that force their family to, but I don't think I need to bring up religious extremes to an American (I assume).

There is a woman in the background, and her face is clearly exposed, and she looks like she is having a good time.

Going to Iran a couple times, or seeing the propaganda about the country on the news doesn't constitute understanding the country.

In America you are bastardized for being an Athiest, you can't get elected into Government, and many jobs refuse to higher you.

Morality police exist in many countries, but to single out Iran is hilarious.

 

[Sol..]

In America you bastardized for being an Athiest, you can't get elected into Government, and many jobs refuse to higher you.

wait, what?

Is this true?

 

[Funky Papa]

BTW, I am amazed by how many people ignore that snow is common in the Middle East/Central Eurasia.

 

[Learn2read]

There's an Iranian chick I work with (she's another Engineer that's just come over last year)

SMOKING

 

[Blackface]

wait, what?

Is this true?

yes. You can be one, and say it all you want. But good luck getting hired to certain jobs, and you won't have a life in government anymore.

 

[reilo]

wait, what?

Is this true?

Sadly. There are maybe one known atheists in politics. If you don't believe in a Judeo-Christian or Jewish god, then you have no chance in hell to be elected.

Also, thread needs more

*retardedly out of place image of mostly naked woman removed* ~Admin

 

[Sol..]

yes.

politics maybe...but come on......

 

[reilo]

politics maybe...but come on......

Depends on what part of the country you live in. If you are atheist in lets say, Alabama, you will be looked down upon.

 

[Roude Leiw]

yes. You can be one, and say it all you want. But good luck getting hired to certain jobs, and you won't have a life in government anymore.

holy shit?

 

[Learn2read]

wait, what?

Is this true?

I could call it up, but basically it was a poll of different sub-groups that people would support being president, atheist was by far at the bottom. Well below Muslim, Gay, IIRC.

 

[Sol..]

Depends on what part of the country you live in. If you are atheist in lets say, Alabama, you will be looked down upon.

I live in georgia....

Politics yeah...but everything else i didn't even know people gave a flying fuck.

but you know what...Today i did learn something. I didn't know Christians are not allowed to dance. It's like all at once someone mentions it at work and like three people from a highly religious household confirmed it with full on serious.

 

[reilo]

I live in georgia....

Politics yeah...but everything else i didn't even know people gave a flying fuck.

Why do you think Richard Dawkins gets so much shit?

 

[NekoFever]

Charley Boorman just did one of his big road trip documentaries going from Ireland to Sydney and they crossed Iran by train and by hitching rides on trucks, and I was really struck then by what the country was actually like. They saw the police making sure people were dressed appropriately and stuff like that, but at the same time they were driven around Tehran by a female taxi driver and shared a cabin on the Iranian Express with a couple of pretty hot Iranian girls. And, shockingly, nobody once tried to blow them up! I feel lied to!

This is the episode for anyone who has access to BBC iPlayer.

 

[thesoapster]

wait, what?

Is this true?

It's true you wouldn't win votes to be elected, but no. AFAIK the vast majority of jobs cannot refuse to hire you just because you're an atheist...that would be illegal. I can understand if a Christian charity organization won't hire you because you're an atheist, but like some random company couldn't do that.

 

[Sol..]

Why do you think Richard Dawkins gets so much shit?

because he's kind of hard on athiest.

Kind of defeats the purpose if you ask me lol.

 

[Macattk15]

My current girlfriend is Iranian. Smoking hot. Olive skin, dark hair, dark eyes, toned body.

I've learned quite a bit about Iran from her, it has its problems but no where near as bad as many people think I guess.

 

[Blackface]

It's true you wouldn't win votes to be elected, but no. AFAIK the vast majority of jobs cannot refuse to hire you just because you're an atheist...that would be illegal. I can understand if a Christian charity organization won't hire you because you're an atheist, but like some random company couldn't do that.

It happens. Which is why people like Richard Dawkins do tours around America, trying to organize Athiests and lobby for it to not happen.

It's also illegal to higher illegal immigrants and pay them below minimum wage.

I think we all know, especially in North America, just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it does not happen on a regular basis.

 

[Chrono]

A good friend of mine works there. Iran is moving on and it could turn into an extremely important country in the next decades assuming nobody starts another senseless war. It's becoming a modern nation faster than most people could think considering the circumstances -- hardly the caricature of a country portrayed by the media.

I'm not sure if it was you, but I remember someone with a similar username a long time ago who posted a rather negative story about Iran. It's still stuck in my head because it sounded borderline surreal. Basically, the poster said that a friend of his was arrested in Iran on charges of being a CIA agent or something and would have died if one of the people traveling with him wasn't a nurse. I have this image of a cut artery though I'm not sure he posted that detail. The friend was in prison for two months or something like that.

Was that you?


Oh and nice pictures OP, thanks for posting them.

 

[Dkong]

It's true you wouldn't win votes to be elected, but no. AFAIK the vast majority of jobs cannot refuse to hire you just because you're an atheist...that would be illegal. I can understand if a Christian charity organization won't hire you because you're an atheist, but like some random company couldn't do that.

Unfortunately, no one can be forced to hire you either. It can be illegal to not hire someone because of him/her being an atheist, but you're sure as hell not going to get hired if they don't like atheists at the job. Too easy to make up some other lame excuse.

 

[thesoapster]

It happens. Which is why people like Richard Dawkins do tours around America, trying to organize Athiests and lobby for it to not happen.

It's also illegal to higher illegal immigrants and pay them below minimum wage.

I think we all know, especially in North America, just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it does not happen on a regular basis.

Well sure, but...for instance. Can companies actually ask what your religious beliefs are before they hire you? I guess they could...and then they could just write off not hiring you as some other bs. Because I'd think there wouldn't be much of it going on if the potential hire found out the real reason for why they were rejected.

 

[reilo]

It happens. Which is why people like Richard Dawkins do tours around America, trying to organize Athiests and lobby for it to not happen.

It's also illegal to higher illegal immigrants and pay them below minimum wage.

I think we all know, especially in North America, just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it does not happen on a regular basis.

Also, Atheist US Soldier files for discrimination:

Hall said he met some atheists who suggested he read the Bible again. After doing so, he said he had so many unanswered questions that he decided to become an atheist.

His sudden lack of faith, he said, cost him his military career and put his life at risk. Hall said his life was threatened by other troops and the military assigned a full-time bodyguard to protect him out of fear for his safety. Video Watch why Hall says his lack of faith almost got him killed »

In March, Hall filed a federal lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Defense and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, among others. In the suit, Hall claims his rights to religious freedom under the First Amendment were violated and suggests that the United States military has become a Christian organization.

"I think it's utterly and totally wrong. Unconstitutional," Hall said.

Hall said there is a pattern of discrimination against non-Christians in the military.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/atheist.soldier/index.html

But yeah, this thread oughtn't be about atheists in the US.

 

[Funky Papa]

I'm not sure if it was you, but I remember someone with a similar username a long time ago who posted a rather negative story about Iran. It's still stuck in my head because it sounded borderline surreal. Basically, the poster said that a friend of his was arrested in Iran on charges of being a CIA agent or something and would have died if one of the people traveling with him wasn't a nurse. I have this image of a cut artery though I'm not sure he posted that detail. The friend was in prison for two months or something like that.

Was that you?


Oh and nice pictures OP, thanks for posting them.

That was definitely not me.

 

[Sol..]

my problem is how does it come up lol.

Is that like a common question? That would be the weirdest question of all time on top of being a gross invasion of privacy.

But then again they can get that in a background check right? I don't think i've ever had to define my religion (is absolutely nothing at all a religion?) i don't want to be classified as anything and it kind of frightens me that anything could be put under my name right now.

I don't want people to think I follow a dog rapist cult/religion or something.


oh and sorry for derailing the thread here a bit.

 

[Blackface]

Well sure, but...for instance. Can companies actually ask what your religious beliefs are before they hire you? I guess they could...and then they could just write off not hiring you as some other bs. Because I'd think there wouldn't be much of it going on if the potential hire found out the real reason for why they were rejected.

It happens more with the types of jobs where you need to know somebody. Or it's all connected within a certain social circle etc..

This is why many people have to lie about being Atheists. In many areas of America, it's socially unacceptable, and it can spread like Wild fire.

Just like being a democrat in Alaska means certain jobs won't higher you, and you are constantly on the defensive (like in Juno).

It's not a coincidence, that Atheists are a larger majority then any other group of people outside of Christians, yet they hold next to no power in the country at all.

 

[Blackface]

Like in England and Canada, God and government should be as separate as possible. By proud of what you believe in, but bring it no further then that, and keep it out of public speech's.

 

[Keru_Shiri]

wait, what?

Is this true?

I'm not sure about the rest of the country, but it is certainly so in Arkansas. The amount of open resentment towards Muslims, is sometimes scary as well.

 

[iapetus]

In America you are bastardized for being an Athiest, you can't get elected into Government, and many jobs refuse to higher you.

It's possible that your lack of success at job interviews has less to do with your religious beliefs, and more to do with your freeform approach to spelling.

 

[speedpop]

If I wasn't with my current girl, I'd be wanting to date a Persian.

 

[seanoff]

-It fucking snows there!!!
-[B]They actually haven't had any public executions for over 50 years (not sure if this is true)[/B]
-They aren't all crazy mofo's ready to self-destruct on your asses (yet..)
-Everyone living in Iran knows that their government funnels money into palestine, iraq, etc...

.[/QUOTE]

given the blatant nature of that lie, take the rest with liberal doses of salt.

type iran hanging into you tube, watch them yourself.

 

[teepo]

You obviously don't know much about Iran, or it's people. Not all woman are fully covered up. Most do it simply for religious reasons. Every woman I have ever known from Iran, and keep in mind I live in Etobicoke Toronto, has worn it by choice. However, they are not always covered from head to toe, and their face is rarely ever covered, if they don't want it to be. Obviously you will have religious extremists that force their family to, but I don't think I need to bring up religious extremes to an American (I assume).

iranian women have no other choice but to wearing a hijab in public. for the last decade in protest, they've been showing their hair while wearing headscarfs which aren't the usual drab black and blue fabric, but in multiple of colors/patterns and sometimes even fabrics which are slightly transparent.

watch these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcz3TYqWpwc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffDe7v9YcoE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZF9Zs9AYl8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWzqn40FWRc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7RD3dHU_I

extremist families huh

 

[Zapages]

I find it funny that the West always tries to impose their rules on countries that totally different then their.

No one tells the West on how they objectify women.

Anyway let them live and act as they wish, we have no right disallow anything or impose anything on them.

 

[Souldriver]

given the blatant nature of that lie, take the rest with liberal doses of salt.

type iran hanging into you tube, watch them yourself.

Seriously.
Am I missing something here, or are people forgetting this for example?

 

[Tathanen]

Unfortunately, no one can be forced to hire you either. It can be illegal to not hire someone because of him/her being an atheist, but you're sure as hell not going to get hired if they don't like atheists at the job. Too easy to make up some other lame excuse.

The question is... what the hell kind of jobs are you applying for where religion comes up during the interview process?

 

[Blackface]

iranian women have no other choice but to wearing a hijab in public. for the last decade in protest, they've been showing their hair while wearing headscarfs which aren't the usual drab black and blue fabric, but in multiple of colors/patterns and sometimes even fabrics which are slightly transparent.

watch these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcz3TYqWpwc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffDe7v9YcoE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZF9Zs9AYl8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWzqn40FWRc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7RD3dHU_I

extremist families huh

I never said showing their hair, I said showing their face.

Should I link to news articles of people being savagely beaten or their homes being destroyed by vandalism because they choose to wave the American flag upside down as protest to the war in Iraq? Or the racism and bigotry shown at various McCain rallies? The peaceful protesters arrested for opposing the War in Iraq? The American citizens held with no merit in Guantanamo bay?

America, of all countries, has no right to judge others. It's as simple as that.

 

[effzee]

I find it funny that the West always tries to impose their rules on countries that totally different then their.

No one tells the West on how they objectify women.

Anyway let them live and act as they wish, we have no right disallow anything or impose anything on them.

exactly. IRAN is a majority MUSLIM NATION. so in a majority muslim nation majority of the women will cover their head. of course some families will force some. of course the govt has its own laws. but the women in iran for AGES, and not just recently out of some form of protest, have worn their scarfs/hijabs in a manner which exposes some hair. its commonly referred to as the Iranian Hijab. its the same way women in pakistan when they go on TV wear their head covering/hijab/duppatta. its a form of respect also when in public.

 

[speculawyer]

Beautiful pictures.

 

[teepo]

I never said showing their hair, I said showing their face.

Should I link to news articles of people being savagely beaten or their homes being destroyed by vandalism because they choose to wave the American flag upside down as protest to the war in Iraq? Or the racism and bigotry shown at various McCain rallies?

America, of all countries, has no right to judge others. It's as simple as that.

You obviously don't know much about Iran, or it's people. Not all woman are fully covered up. Most do it simply for religious reasons. Every woman I have ever known from Iran, and keep in mind I live in Etobicoke Toronto, has worn it by choice. However, they are not always covered from head to toe, and their face is rarely ever covered, if they don't want it to be. Obviously you will have religious extremists that force their family to, but I don't think I need to bring up religious extremes to an American (I assume).

let me quote you this,

You obviously don't know much about Iran, or it's people.

 

[MaddenNFL64]

Hmm, I thought Iranians had glowing red eyes, and breathed fire.

These must be 'shopped.

 

[Blackface]

let me quote you this,

You obviously don't know much about Iran, or it's people.

Considering I lived in Iran, and I live in the most populated Muslim area of North America. I think I know exactly what I am talking about.

You also can't read, and are taking what I said out of context

"You obviously don't know much about Iran, or it's people. Not all woman are fully covered up. Most do it simply for religious reasons. Every woman I have ever known from Iran, and keep in mind I live in Etobicoke Toronto, has worn it by choice. However, they are not always covered from head to toe, and their face is rarely ever covered, if they don't want it to be. Obviously you will have religious extremists that force their family to, but I don't think I need to bring up religious extremes to an American (I assume)."

1. Woman in Iran are not covered fully from head to toe, it's a fact. Look at the pictures, go to Iran.
2. Woman in Etobicoke wear it by choice. Are you really comparing Canada to Iran now?

 

[mollipen]

wait, what?

Is this true?

Let's, uhm, be a bit realistic here. You're almost NEVER going to be turned down for a job if you're an atheist, because (a) jobs don't have the right to ask you your religion, and (b) there's no point in talking about your religion unless it is a religion-based job. (And, at that point, I can kind of see a very Christian-focused company maybe wanting people who are actually, you know, Christian.) If a company doesn't hire you because of your religion, and it wasn't a case of you causing serious problems centered around religion, that's putting that company in the position of getting their asses sues to hell and back.

As far as politics, I live in Nebraska, close to the Bible Belt and a pretty conservative / republican state, and absolutely an atheist could get elected to a government job. Unless you're running for president, your religion almost never comes up. Now, if you make a big deal about being an atheist, could that hurt your chances? Sure. But, for example, this very heavy Republican state that I live in has elected Democrats many times, because they were the right man for the job. I think most logical people would vote for a "known atheist" if he was clearly the right man for the job.

Let's be fair, though: you want people in government who are going to best represent you, and a majority of Americans are still religious in some way. And, sure, there are probably places in the States where people are too focused on the religion of people they're hiring or voting for, but situations like that are true in every country.

This nonsense about America hating you, never giving you a job, and never voting for you simply because you don't believe in God is simply that, however: nonsense. Countless people in this country don't believe in God, don't make a big deal about it, and go about their lives with none of this supposed persecution every day.

 

[Screaming_Gremlin]

The question is... what the hell kind of jobs are you applying for where religion comes up during the interview process?

Seriously, since religion is a protected class no sane business is every even going to bring it up in an interview. It would be asking for a lawsuit.

 

[xsarien]

In America you are bastardized for being an Athiest, you can't get elected into Government, and many jobs refuse to higher you.

wut

I think you need to move to a blue state, we don't care if you're a Satan Worshiper, Athiest or Scientologist as long as you do your work.

 

[Blackface]

Let's, uhm, be a bit realistic here. You're almost NEVER going to be turned down for a job if you're an atheist, because (a) jobs don't have the right to ask you your religion, and (b) there's no point in talking about your religion unless it is a religion-based job. (And, at that point, I can kind of see a very Christian-focused company maybe wanting people who are actually, you know, Christian.) If a company doesn't hire you because of your religion, and it wasn't a case of you causing serious problems centered around religion, that's putting that company in the position of getting their asses sues to hell and back.

As far as politics, I live in Nebraska, close to the Bible Belt and a pretty conservative / republican state, and absolutely an atheist could get elected to a government job. Unless you're running for president, your religion almost never comes up. Now, if you make a big deal about being an atheist, could that hurt your chances? Sure. But, for example, this very heavy Republican state that I live in has elected Democrats many times, because they were the right man for the job. I think most logical people would vote for a "known atheist" if he was clearly the right man for the job.

Let's be fair, though: you want people in government who are going to best represent you, and a majority of Americans are still religious in some way. And, sure, there are probably places in the States where people are too focused on the religion of people they're hiring or voting for, but situations like that are true in every country.

This nonsense about America hating you, never giving you a job, and never voting for you simply because you don't believe in God is simply that, however: nonsense. Countless people in this country don't believe in God, don't make a big deal about it, and go about their lives with none of this supposed persecution every day.

Is this a joke, and what type of rock to you live under?

Atheists can't get elected. They have tried and failed. Not because of their political views, which are shared by many elected members of government. Or there education, which they seem to have a much higher standard of then religious people. But because they are Atheist.

There have been national polls conducted on would you vote for a person if they are X. Athiest finished last by a gigantic margin. Most people in America will not vote for an Atheist if they have a Religious person running against them.

Also, you want someone that represents you correct? Why would an Atheist not represent a state like New York, California, etc.. well? I would rather have a person who understands all religions, and does not discriminate based on faith running my state, then a man or woman who believes everyone that doesn't believe in their particular god is going to burn in hell for all of eternity.

Millions of people are not voting for Obama because they think he is a Muslim. Muslims finished higher on the poll then Atheists did.