I'll be honest I was never worried this game was going to get funded or even that it would take very long. A well known long time developer with a lot of beloved and often adored games making a sequel to an already well received first game in a franchise with a lot of room to grow and improve and it seems like they have a lot of the right ideas as well as gameplay footage and the like. These types of games usually do well, whether they deserve to or not like Mighty No. 9 but Obsidian has a pretty proven track record and PoE2 is the type of game they really excel at.
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Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire Campaign live on Fig
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Is DSIII really that bad? I keep thinking about picking it up, but I never see anything positive said about it.
Thr first game was funded with pledges only, here half of the money comes from investors. I am not sure if this game will sell better or even as much than the first one. It appeals to old Baldur's Gate fans who probably were interested in the first game. And those that did not finish that are less likely to buy PoE2.
This might olso explain why they went with fig.co this time and not Kickstarter.
BrokenFiction
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BOOM. Funded.
Rockin' Ranger
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Feargus being a part owner of Fig is likely the biggest reason.
Vulcano's assistant
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Do you think Obsidian has a meeting discussing whether it would be hubris to have the stretch goals ready before they launch the whole thing?
No. You have to be prepared in all scenarios. Not hubris at all, it's intelligent forward thinking
SEGAvangelist
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Wow. That was fast. I should finally get around to play the first one, I suppose.
AWizardDidIt
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I actually quite like it. It's a great Diablo-like game with a pretty interesting story. Just don't expect a ton of dialogue or choice/consequence stuff. It's an arpg first and foremost.
decoyplatypus
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No, I am certain that after all the complaints about PoE's stronghold, they gave a lot more thought to stretch goals this time around.
mysteriousmage09
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Well that was fast lol
Baron von Loathsome
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Where are you seeing this?
the Fig campaign page, they added a Stretch Goals image under the Rewards and before th Sold Out ones!
EDIT: now they moved it to BEFORE the Rewards, heh. It's far more visible there
Vulcano's assistant
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Oh hey, that a nice way to do the Stretch goals. Didn't people complain before that they were baiting you with the highest ones?
decoyplatypus
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Well it also helps that they actually have a plan for this game. Watching the making of documentary is quite telling of the previous kickstarter, where they quite literally had no idea what they were going to do, the surprise of the popularity and how to scale it up. This time around the whole project is likely a ton more thought out and not based upon the impending doom the company face following the cancellation of the MS game.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Hyping myself up for that BG1-BG2 level quality jump yo! Almost certainly not going to happen but a man can dream.
Brawndo Addict
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I'm not trying to say it's some unique/fatal flaw or that they make bad games. On the contrary, the only reason I have such high expectations for them in the first place is because they are Obsidian. They're the fine dining of gaming, of course I'm not going to judge their food in the same way I judge McDonald's Bioware.
So I don't think it is a particularly persuasive argument to look to their old catalog and say "well, their games weren't always like that". That's the whole point, their pedigree shows they can deliver on games that transcend the dumb stuff that normally weighs down most RPG developers. I don't see why they should get a pass on new stuff just because their old stuff cleared the bar, let alone trying to argue that I should refrain from judging the quality of a product because they didn't allocate enough budget/resources (more money wouldn't have changed the fundamental story design anyway).
And to reiterate once again, their new games are still really freaking good (my previous posts were coming off way too negative for this kind of abstract/meta problem). I truly love exploring the worlds they craft, I just don't find their macro through-lines particularly engaging or satisfying. This is absolutely a minority position, I freely admit that. The vast majority of players want a big world-changing power fantasy.
Ehh, the game was pretty explicit about acknowledging the power level increase as wholly unprecedented and inexplicable. The Fatebinders are not extremely powerful beings similar to the Archons (whose existence is also supposed to be extremely rare), they are actually normal people whose primary job is to adjudicate disputes for Tunon. Very rarely they are called upon to read Edicts, but they when they do, they are merely serving as a sort of communicative medium for the Overlord's power to flow through.
And more importantly, (Major Plot Spoilers for Tyranny)
it is suggested, and I think even outright stated, that almost every Fatebinder has died after proclaiming a second edict and that it is not uncommon to die after proclaiming your first edict. Your ability to survive a second edict is kind of a big red flag. Furthermore, you don't just go on to acquire Archon levels of power, which would be a completely unprecedented feat in of itself, you go on to acquire Overlord levels of power. Becoming an Archon is bad enough, contesting Kyros, who is supposed to have almost godlike levels of power, is even worse.
To be fair to the plot of the game though, this is sort of lampshaded. (major plot spoilers)
It is heavily implied that your rise to power is merely the result of Kyros' own machinations. Since there would otherwise be 'peace' after the Tiers were conquered, Kyros wanted to create a being that could wipe out the Archons to clean the slate and serve as the next opponent for the Empire/Kyros to fight against. Whether that makes a lot of sense is a different argument, but it doesn't erase the fact that the traditional power fantasy is in full effect. And of course there's the 'ancient but super advanced civilization's magic/technology' to serve as the hand-wave explanation of how it all worked (I really hate this trope too).
I wonder if we're gonna get something similar to Contingency and Sequencers in terms of spells, or that'd be too complex for what they'd be trying to do.
They were caught with their pants down and made up stretch goals on the fly for POE1 which kinda bit them in the ass. I guarantee they have a full array of stretch goals pre-planned this time.
Probably also why digital extras aren't as exciting this time, though some of the original stuff was world building and that's not as important this time.
This is good. Environmental reactivity made for a lot of fun in Divinity, so having some of it here will probably be fun too. More incremental upgrades to systems that help define the game more than just a nostalgia simulator.
Apparently we will have an update later today from Josh about sub classes which I'm really interested in. Curious what path they will have taken.
Jag
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Divinity Original Sin does a fantastic job of using magic counters and environment. Probably the best in a CRPG to date. I need to play around a bit more with DOS 2 to see what they have improved.
decoyplatypus
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I expect it to slip ~6 months, but they're starting with a solid tech base, a ruleset and UI that need iteration rather than ground-up revision,* a firm idea of how stretch goals will fit into their development schedule, and they've been working on it for over a year (with the footage clearly showing multiple areas in an advanced state of production). I doubt Obsidian threw Q1 2018 out there as a totally crazy suggestion.
*Well, some parts of the ruleset are likely to be completely renovated.
Agreed. I wouldn't say it's set in stone, but it's something much more reasonable (and reachable) than, say, Tides of Numenera's original release date set in the KS campaign - I mean, nobody really believed that one.
Heck, I'd almost want the game to slip into Q3/Q4 2018.
The pitch vid said they're already 12 months into development with a launch goal some 12 months from now.
I'd wouldn't be opposed to them taking more than 24 months to polish and finish the new game. Take all the time you need!
The pitch vid said they're already 12 months into development with a launch goal some 12 months from now.
I'd wouldn't be opposed to them taking more than 24 months to polish and finish the new game. Take all the time you need!
For your sake you better hope they pick an extra couple million in pledges and investments in the next 29 days then.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Backed at $45, super excited
sleepnaught
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So super hyped. I still have to get the White March expansion pass and Tyranny. Glad I have some great stuff to at while I wait.
Doomedfool
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I still have the first game + expansions sitting in my backlog unplayed, but I gotta back this one.
Yeah, I also am pretty open to a delay just due to the sheer amount of things I have to play and the that I usually take my time with these games. Of course not really a problem if it releases on time either, but it will probably be to one side for a little while
Dandy Lyin
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Same, hahah. My goal is to start a new game and finish it in February. But yeah, gonna back this anyway.
From what I have played of Tyranny, its a great step up in terms of party interactions, but I haven't played more than 5 hours of it to see how it pans out.
mercenar1e
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the only people screwed in this scenario are the investors. i believe it increases the break even amount and lowers the potential ROI?