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Platinum Games: "Would have to see demand" for MG:Revengeance Wii U port
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Tizoc
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Same, this game would sell like hotcakes if it got a PC release =/
Red Blaster
Member
when's the last time you've played bayonetta?
its prologue opener after the little gameplay teaser on the falling clock tower is the same length as the *entire* sequence you described in MGR's demo. Bayonetta even had shit like this, a 7.5 minute cutscene in which most of it is just narration over still images
the game's cutscenes were a common complaint, there were far too many of them and it disrupted the pacing of the game tho not as much as the terrible afterburner and space harrier segments, especially the latter being a mandatory part to replay the best boss fight in the game
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
Here:
I demand you to release this game on the Wii U
I demand you to release this game on the Wii U
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Okami seems an odd example to draw given (1) the game mechanics naturally lend themselves to a less abstracted interface, (2) the game is a blatant Zelda homage and (3) I believe the Wii version actually outsold the PS2 version in the US (and possibly the west overall). Not really the best standards to draw a "strange subset" console warrior argument off of.
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Retro_
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lol. Just yesterday actually.
I don't really want to argue about it. I think we're(you're) getting besides the point of even your original statement now.
I just didn't understand what your purpose was for calling him out on something so meaningless to the main message of his post
but I think I understand now; you really don't like the story elements of Bayonetta.
PC please
A quick search reveals this http://www.dsogaming.com/news/metal-gear-rising-revengeance-up-and-running-on-the-pc/
Oh man... I hope this comes out before summer. Can't wait to finish building my new PC.
Time to replay me some demo. Thanks for the heads up.
dampflokfreund
Banned
So true. To obtain good sales, they should release it at the same time as the ps360 versions+ gamepad off screen and better graphics.
This.
Sony had all games, Nintendo had an exclusive remake of the first and the 3rd, MS had 2 and 3 and PC had the first 2.
I really don't get Konami.
Trying to understand them is pointless. As much as people don't like him, Jim Sterling really summarizes how bad things are with them as a publisher here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5524-Konami
Well, I played Bayonetta by virtue of trading my Wii for a friend's PS3, so I have reason to be excited and didn't have to spend $250+ to enjoy a smattering of content that I couldn't get on my Wii.
But the fact remains that people who are excited about Bayonetta 2 on Wii U are people who acknowledge its pedigree, that's all that needs to be understood and all that really matters.
Yes, you follow games, not platforms. Unfortunately, like some people who are declining the purchase of a Wii U, the quantity of games you want on a platform doesn't always outweigh the cost associated with getting one.
Me, for instance? I can count the games I want for PS3 and 360 on 2 hands: Bayonetta, Mortal Kombat, P4 Arena, Catherine, Valkyria Chronicles, Virtua Fighter 5, SSFIV. The rest are either unreleased and may never see the light of day at this point (Last Guardian and Versus XIII, I'm talking about you), ported to PC/Wii U already or didn't capture my interest. If I were to buy a PS3 to play them all right now, each game would be worth $91.25 if you divided up the console's cost and applied it to the games themselves. And that's if I were buying the console NOW, right as the next generation is kicking into gear, not when these games actually came out.
Does it suck that I miss out on some great games? Yeah. Do I drive myself crazy about what an inferior gamer I am for doing so? FUCK NO. I miss out on a lot of entertainment I could enjoy without ever knowing it, so why obsess about it just because I'm knowingly declining it out of financial responsibility? It's not about loyalty or drawing lines in the sand, it's about personal pragmatism.
Yeah, I bought a Wii U at launch, but I did it because I looked at my Wii library and realized that it's a cost that I could spread out much easier, given that I've owned upwards of 30 games for Wii and see that trend continuing, plus a savings on accessory costs. If I'm wrong, I'll sell it and remember what a poor investment it was.
It wouldn't be a bad idea for that to happen, no.
Demand denied.
Not that keen, just thought it would be a nice option to have to build up some interest in number 2. I just just combating any potential comments that I could just play it on the other systems.
OT But this is times where i kinda miss Yamauchi. Imagine Yamauchi hearing this kind of message ("Yeah we are making W101 and Bayonetta 2 but MGSR? no demand"). He would probably cut ties with Konami just for the sake of it.
You dont f with this guy
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Silver_DNA
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I have a 360, but with the way it's been acting lately I'm worried it might be near death's door. I have a mild interest in playing this game, but it's not to the point where I'm feverishly counting down the days until it is released. Same with the next Castlevaina.
Putting this game on WiiU would be a nice gesture to someone like me, but even I can't justify the expense of making it unless Nintendo helps with some of the poring costs or marketing. I think I can manage without these two Konami games.
Putting this game on WiiU would be a nice gesture to someone like me, but even I can't justify the expense of making it unless Nintendo helps with some of the poring costs or marketing. I think I can manage without these two Konami games.
This should be stressed. Bayonetta becomes a much, much better game once you skip the cutscenes.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
I like the stupid cutscenes. >: Although I've been skipping them in my Pure Platinum runs since they don't help that at all.
"Hey boss, did you look at the NeoGAF MG: Revengeance for Wii U thread? It's turns out there's actually a lot of demand for Revengance...on PC. Oh and there was one guy that wanted it for Wii U I guess."
no offense intended 
ambientmystic
Member
Quoted many times in this thread, but yep. +1
So they'll put MS: Rev on Wii U if ppl want it. But no talk about Bayonetta 2, moving to some other platform. I if it's Xbox, PlayStation or PC.... i just don't want to have to play it on the wii u.
But Bayonetta on PC would be cool too, since that wish actually has a chance.
But Bayonetta on PC would be cool too, since that wish actually has a chance.
MatthewB92
Member
No it doesn't.
Run-M-Run
Member
platinum tis pls
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Nintendo's funding Bayo 2. You don't shit where you eat.
No, Konami will.
Then someone other than Nintendo should have made it happen. Like Sega, the IP owner, for instance. Can't blame Nintendo for seeing an opportunity being passed up and taking it for themselves.
I would have thought the grumbling over this would have ended by now. Shows what I know.
According to Kamiya, some people do.
Well the touch screen could make Blade mode a lot less irritating, for one thing
Gokurakumaru
Banned
Here's my take. You owned upward of 30 games on the Wii because you owned a Wii. If you owned a PS3 you would have owned upward of 30 PS3 games. If you owned an X360 you would have owned upward of 30 X360 games. Not because these games are the best on the market but because that's what you chose to limit yourself to.
So if you want to narrow a library down to 7 games you want to play -- oh and Revengeance makes it 8 I guess -- that's your business. But let's not pretend there's nothing to play on the console and it makes no financial sense to own it. Especially not if you can justify buying a WiiU at launch. I mean, what's your per-title investment there at the moment? Upward of $120 a game?
Broken Logic
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First neogaf post. Be gentle
I'm not sure if this has been said before, but here goes:
I'm going to take the side of the developer for a minute, though I really hate that they use this argument.
But if I understand correctly, a developer who wants to work on an ip owned by a publisher must prove that the game will sell before they even start. Otherwise, no publisher funding. When they say "Would have to see demand" for a port that's already out and sold on its initial platforms, maybe they're just stating the facts. Literally cannot sell the idea to the publisher without proof, especially if they could be working on something else.
This makes me annoyed because the same logic can be used for new consoles, where the install base isn't large/established yet. The return on investment just isn't as appealing.
And this is why it's so easy to hate publishers. JUST GIVE ME THE GAMES ALREADY.
Also, I don't think we should ask for ports of old games(or in this case, a port which won't release simultaneously) now. Because even if the install base grows, the users may have bought the old versions already, and few people need two versions. At this point, it might just be dangerous for the system to have the port fall flat. Instead ask for the upcoming games where a multiplat would have a chance on the new system.
I'm not sure if this has been said before, but here goes:
I'm going to take the side of the developer for a minute, though I really hate that they use this argument.
But if I understand correctly, a developer who wants to work on an ip owned by a publisher must prove that the game will sell before they even start. Otherwise, no publisher funding. When they say "Would have to see demand" for a port that's already out and sold on its initial platforms, maybe they're just stating the facts. Literally cannot sell the idea to the publisher without proof, especially if they could be working on something else.
This makes me annoyed because the same logic can be used for new consoles, where the install base isn't large/established yet. The return on investment just isn't as appealing.
And this is why it's so easy to hate publishers. JUST GIVE ME THE GAMES ALREADY.
Also, I don't think we should ask for ports of old games(or in this case, a port which won't release simultaneously) now. Because even if the install base grows, the users may have bought the old versions already, and few people need two versions. At this point, it might just be dangerous for the system to have the port fall flat. Instead ask for the upcoming games where a multiplat would have a chance on the new system.
No, I owned 30 games for my Wii because Nintendo pushed out a lot of great games for the Wii, as they do with every system they make, with some 3rd-party titles making the cut. Of the games I own for it, MAYBE 5-7 were purchased simply because they were available on the system I purchased.
No, Revengeance doesn't make the list, I have a fatwa against Konami right now, as I already stated in this thread.
I didn't say there was nothing to play on the systems, there was limited amounts of titles that held my personal interest enough to buy them. Those things are not mutually exclusive.
Unless Nintendo's output over the course of the generation is less than the Wii, I'm pretty safe in that regard and didn't feel a need to hold back on playing what was available right now when I know that the investment in the hardware will assuredly be recuperated. And if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, and I will learn from my mistake, as I already stated. I remember selling my N64 for a PS1 and waiting to make my GameCube purchase for that very reason.
Riposte
Member
Re: Owning platforms: You should own all of them. (I'm not perfect though, don't have a Vita or PSP.)
Ground Zeroes being announced multi-plat has shown how times have changed. I have not heard so much a whimper.
Ground Zeroes being announced multi-plat has shown how times have changed. I have not heard so much a whimper.
I have a 360. I have no desire to use it. So no, owning all platforms is not a good idea for everyone.
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Retro_
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Guess that means there's hope for Rising 2 then
Gokurakumaru
Banned
I'm sure you you believe that, but frankly I don't. I'm postulating that your library would look quite different if you could boot up PS3/360 games on your Wii. It would clearly contain more fighters for starters, but I'm guessing that's not the only genre you play.
That's your business. But I think boycotts work better on games you might have actually bought in the first place. You might want to start by boycotting Capcom for killing Clover.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
I don't even see the demand for this game on the 360, let alone the Wii U.
If Call of Duty couldn't see 100K on WiiU, I doubt MGS would see 10K
If Call of Duty couldn't see 100K on WiiU, I doubt MGS would see 10K
WrenchNinja
Member
Are you saying that theyre not putting their best efforts into Rising or Anarchy Reigns?
John Rabbit
Banned
PC PORT PLZ THX.
So the people who buy Nintendo consoles purely for Nintendo's games are all deluding themselves as to the quality of them? Seems terribly unpractical when there are alternatives about, doesn't it?
And since the fantasy scenario you postulate can never exist, the point you raise is moot. Until you can bring objection based in fact and reality, there's nothing you're bringing to the table other than an insinuation against the argument with no merit.
One slight does not make a boycott. Were I one of the people so enraged by on-disc DLC as some others were, that may have tipped the scales. Ono's leave of absence didn't do them any favors, though. But Capcom's mis-steps come nowhere close to Konami's towering spire of fuck-ups. Nowhere close.
Besides, the death of Clover was a conclusion arrived at thanks to both sides, Capcom wasn't putting those men out of a job, they declined to rejoin the internal Capcom team structure after Clover's dissolution. They all landed on their feet as a team after that, so since I've lost nothing as a gamer because of it, the only loser in that scenario is Capcom, and I'm content to let them lick their wounds over it.
And lastly, one of the great conundrums about boycotts is that if you truly believe in them, it saps a huge majority of any desire to reward the company with money. So by your definition of what makes a boycott "work better", none of them honestly could, unless everyone in said boycott was silently kidding themselves and didn't actually believe in why they were doing it.
Sentenza
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What a BADASS!!!OT But this is times where i kinda miss Yamauchi. Imagine Yamauchi hearing this kind of message ("Yeah we are making W101 and Bayonetta 2 but MGSR? no demand"). He would probably cut ties with Platinum just for the sake of it.
You dont f with this guy
Not sure if serious.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
OT But this is times where i kinda miss Yamauchi. Imagine Yamauchi hearing this kind of message ("Yeah we are making W101 and Bayonetta 2 but MGSR? no demand"). He would probably cut ties with Platinum just for the sake of it.
You dont f with this guy
Awful. Truly awful.
Good man.
Naw man, I don't think owning all of them is necessarily a good thing (although I do, sans-Vita.). Last gen there were tons of exclusives for each system. This gen? I only used my PS3 for Valkyria Chronicles, MGS4, Tales of Graces F (and soon, Xillia), and maybe a small handful of digital titles. There isn't really many exclusives this gen. This is why Sony and Microsoft are allegedly making more of a first party focus next gen. With most big releases, MS/Sony can only hope for exclusive DLC or getting the DLC first.
Yes, if he were still here and blacklisting every third party that denied him a game (like he only did with Square), then truly we would have no games. It is also clearly not Platinum's call on this one.
Cold hard truth. Revengeance won't be a top seller even on PS360, there's not much demand for action games (see: DmC bombing) and it doesn't have insane graphics or anything else that can attract the casual crowd, aside from the Metal Gear name.
Christberg
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I'll throw my hat in for a yes please on a Bayonetta 1 port. Would buy the shit out of it provided it's reasonably priced and runs right (unlike the crap PS3 version I have now.)
how is bayonetta number on PS360 ,Mad world number on Wii?
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