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[Az987]

I wonder if people in the UK are going to be selling them like in japan and here, guess so huh ?

 

[Wollan]

Of course it's going to sell out. It's a launch, guys.

There's one million consoles though. More than usual.

 

[travisbickle]

To be fair, there really isn't much substance in either current or estimated figures in that quote at all. I always take "every 20 seconds"-type quotes as just PR speak

I'd have thought they took the number of preorders and divide it by the tme taken to collect those preorders and you get a figure for time occured between each order. Obviously not factual, because I guess they get more calls at certain times of the day, but not made up on the spot?

 

[painey]

i wish i could find somewhere to get one on launch.. its looking like the first console im not going to be able to get on launch since I bought an n64 when pokemon stadium came out.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

There's one million consoles though. More than usual.

This is not just for UK. France, Sweden, Italy, Germany, and don't forget Poland.

 

[Big-E]

Over the last fourty seconds my console has sold once every 20 seconds!

:lol

 

[AstroLad]

I'd have thought they took the number of preorders and divide it by the tme taken to collect those preorders and you get a figure for time occured between each order. Obviously not factual, because I guess they get more calls at certain times of the day, but not made up on the spot?

There are certainly many ways to do it--some more reasonable than others--but that's just the thing. If I were a PR person for Woolie's trying to get our name in print and jump on the PS2 hype bandwagon, I'd probably push the envelope as much as possible to get the number down; I certainly wouldn't be critical of the data in any way that would bring the number up. And this is assuming there was any rigorous statistical work done in putting together that statement in the first place, which is doubtful. Not even meant as a knock on Sony either, as every company that has PR does this (and this isn't even coming from Sony to begin with).

 

[Wollan]

This is not just for UK. France, Sweden, Italy, Germany, and don't forget Poland.

Yeah I know but I'm just saying there's a lot of consoles. It would be brilliant for Sony if they managed to increase their install base by a million in a week. It's going to be interesting to see if all those consoles will disappear quickly at that prize.

Regarding Poland, Killzone 3 is going to do wonders there this fall. (KZ1 was best selling game there ever on any platform)

 

[ThirdEye]

Will they relaunch in JP/US in March?

 

[Maxwell House]

The same thing happened with PS3 pre orders in Japan and the US, and we had the same headlines.

Walmart.com PS3 preorders sell out in a record 60 seconds

Just like the blu ray movie they were selling as part of the $1500 bundle the ps3 preorders on Walmart.com were GONE IN 60 SECONDS.

Link

PS3 preorders sold out at GameStop, EB
Limited quantities of PlayStation 3 preorders vanish quickly from GameStop, EB Games; information on online, Canadian preorder campaigns coming soon.

As expected, the PS3 preorders went like next-gen hotcakes. GameStop and EB Games have updated their Web sites with grim news for anyone hoping to reserve one of Sony's next-gen consoles from any of the company's thousands of stores in the US.

Messages on both sites read: "Due to high demand and limited quantities, our US in-store preorder for the PlayStation 3 has ended."

However, American gamers set on getting a preordered PS3 may be able to head north to get that valuable voucher.

The message continues: "Information regarding the launch date of our Canadian in-store preorder will be posted when available. Online console preorder information coming soon!"

I remember the Gamestop/EB preorder day. They sold out in record time.

From Japanese PS3 launch:

Amazon Japan PS3 preorders snapped up

The Japanese branch of online retailer Amazon.com began taking preorders for the Sony PlayStation 3 at 7 p.m. Monday night Japan time. According to Japanese gaming blog Gameaholic, Amazon's entire launch-day quota pre-sold out in under 20 minutes.

Link

I also really doubt that your average European has any clue about what happened with PS3 sales on Ebay in the US. Your average consumer doesn't pay attention to video game sales in other continents. Remember that before the US PS3 launch, the bottom had already dropped out on 2nd hand PS3 selling prices in Japan, with PS3s selling for retail or less. That didn't stop people from lining up at midnight in the states in order to try to make a quick buck.

I expect Ebay to get flooded with European PS3s at the European PS3 launch, just as it happened in the US and Japan. I don't see any reason to think it will be otherwise.

 

[The Jer]

*post deleted*

 

[Taurus]

Sony has built pretty big fanbase with PS1 and PS2 so this is quite expected. It's interesting to see if the demand dies down as soon as in Japan and US which I'm afraid it does because:

1) Too high price is too high price for the big crowds no matter how you spin it
2) Delay may have turned more than few non-hardcore fans to seek out what else is there
3) Higher price + delay = pissed consumers

But we'll see.

P.s No offence to anyone, peace.

 

[JB1981]

The same thing happened with PS3 pre orders in Japan and the US, and we had the same headlines.

 

[Haunted]

Yeah I know but I'm just saying there's a lot of consoles. It would be brilliant for Sony if they managed to increase their install base by a million in a week. It's going to be interesting to see if all those consoles will disappear quickly at that prize.

Regarding Poland, Killzone 3 is going to do wonders there this fall. (KZ1 was best selling game there ever on any platform)

1 million at launch is a big number, which is great for all the people that want one. I have no doubts that they'll be gone in a week (more like launch day), the months following the launch (early adopters) is what's interesting though. That's true for all three consoles naturally.

We're just reaching the more interesting months in US/JP, I'm looking forward to see the future European software charts. (May and following)

Population of U.S. + Population of Canada = ~298M + ~33M = ~331 million

Population of U.K. +Population of France + Population of Sweden + Population of Italy + Population of Germany + Population of Poland = ~61M + ~61M + ~9M + ~58M + ~82M +~39M = ~310 million


one million launch consoles is still a lot in comparison.

?? Sony is only launching in 6 of the 25 European countries? If you want to do this, give a source in which countries Sony is planning to launch in March and we'll tally up properly, ok?
Plus you're completely forgetting other PAL regions like, hm I don't know... Australia?

 

[Logan Cano]

UK != Europe.

I obviously know that, Jesus, some people. What I referred to is that you singled out the UK, as if that territory wasn't reflective of Europe in its entirety, which obviously isn't true.

Setting aside for a second what a stupid term that is, Wii doesn't even have any non-games yet.

Non-gaming to me is VERY simple, cute looking, fun but ultimately shallow games. The entire Wii and DS philosophy is built on this, and yes, it has won Japan.

Oh I dunno, I think Nintendo is in a pretty good position right now. (And has been since late 2005.)

Unfortunately, yes, they are in a good position as of now. Overpaying for outdated, crappy hardware and a stupid gaming philosophy is what has me against them, but Nfans seem to love that. So meh.

 

[Steroyd]

I wonder if people in the UK are going to be selling them like in japan and here, guess so huh ?

Are you joking not only would scalpers sell at a loss if sold outside the EU but Sony will re-supply stock so fast there wouldn't be much point buying at launch just to sell them off.

Heck if PS3's are "sitting on the shelves gathering dust" there goes its rarity.

 

[Wollan]

The population in Europe is a bit over 700mill now. Though I don't know if Sony are excluding any countries here (I think they are launching all over because I remember someone saying they were going for eastern Europe as well which MS didn't before a while later). Then you got to add Russia, the middle east, south Africa and Australia.

 

[Taurus]

Unfortunately, yes, they are in a good position as of now. Overpaying for outdated, crappy hardware and a stupid gaming philosophy is what has me against them, but Nfans seem to love that. So meh.

I guess you loved Gamecube then since it was alike PS2 (though more powerful and cheaper) only with much worse 3rd party support?

 

[Maxwell House]

Are you joking not only would scalpers sell at a loss if sold outside the EU but Sony will re-supply stock so fast there wouldn't be much point buying at launch just to sell them off.

Heck if PS3's are "sitting on the shelves gathering dust" there goes its rarity.

People in Europe see the hype surrounding the PS3 and will try to make a buck off of it. 99% of them have absolutely no idea what happened to the PS3 in the US and Japan after launch. None. Most Europeans don't look at NPD or Famitus video game sales data.

 

[Logan Cano]

I guess you loved Gamecube then since it was alike PS2 (more powerful, yes) only with much worse 3rd party support?

I do have a GCN and enjoyed it, yes. I don't believe Nintendo should be dominant in anything, their ideas are quite stupid most of the time IMO. Petting dogs?? Base all gaming on waggling?? 2 screens for a handheld?? Overcharge for bad hardware?? No thanks.

 

[Pud]

I guess you loved Gamecube then since it was alike PS2 (though more powerful and cheaper) only with much worse 3rd party support?

Don't bother...

I don't believe Nintendo should be dominant in anything, their ideas are quite stupid most of the time IMO.

:lol There will be a LOT of growing pains on GAF over the next 4 years (drohne's already been lost) :lol

Europe may have been Sonyland last gen, but I don't think it's going to be so clearcut with what amounts to an $800 price tag. Remember, the VAST MAJORITY of the people who purchased a PS2 were what we'd consider 'casuals' - and those casuals aren't going to pony up more than a couple hundred pounds.

 

[TheGreatDave]

so you go around Europe to various stores to observe and record how many PS3 orders there are and the "presense" it has?

...no, I was just surprised when I walk in to Woolworths and they have pre orders up but a dedicated gaming store like Gamestation doesn't. I'm confused as to what kind of point your trying to make here; I had only seen one store taking pre orders, was told that others were and retracted what I said. I'm heardly trolling the system.

 

[Haunted]

Petting dogs?? Base all gaming on waggling?? 2 screens for a handheld?? Overcharge for bad hardware?? No thanks.

:lol is this a joke post?

 

[bishoptl]

 

[Taurus]

I don't believe Nintendo should be dominant in anything, their ideas are quite stupid most of the time IMO. Petting dogs?? Base all gaming on waggling?? 2 screens for a handheld?? Overcharge for bad hardware?? No thanks.

2 screens for a handheld is... bad?

Ok, I won't bother anymore. Just try to swallow your anger and frustration during next weeks/months/years so you won't get banned like some other people did (no, that was not a threat, just pointing out what happened to for example drohne).

P.s Sorry for the offtopic everyone, carry on as you were.

 

[Pud]

:lol is this a joke post?

Unfortunately he's being quite serious (see his posting history). Also unfortunately, making such idiotic posts against Nintendo is often allowed on this board. What is most unfortunate, however, is that his complete bias is and will be preventing him from enjoying quite a few gems. Especially considering where Japanese devs are/will be gravitating in future.

BTW, do you people honestly believe that THAT many euro PS3s will end up on Ebay? Didn't the press in EU mention anything about how bad PS3-ebay sales ended up in NA? I was tempted myself to buy a PS3 to Ebay during the holidays last year, but after seeing what was happening in Japan I (smartly) decided against it.

 

[Jokeropia]

I obviously know that, Jesus, some people. What I referred to is that you singled out the UK, as if that territory wasn't reflective of Europe in its entirety, which obviously isn't true.

I didn't single out UK, it was in the post I originally quoted and it is what this news story is about as well. And actually, UK has traditionally been more Sony friendly than mainland Europe. (Germany and France are Nintendo-land at the moment as DS dominates almost like in Japan.)

Non-gaming to me is VERY simple, cute looking, fun but ultimately shallow games. The entire Wii and DS philosophy is built on this, and yes, it has won Japan.

Unfortunately, yes, they are in a good position as of now. Overpaying for outdated, crappy hardware and a stupid gaming philosophy is what has me against them, but Nfans seem to love that. So meh.

 

[Eteric Rice]

I do have a GCN and enjoyed it, yes. I don't believe Nintendo should be dominant in anything, their ideas are quite stupid most of the time IMO. Petting dogs?? Base all gaming on waggling?? 2 screens for a handheld?? Overcharge for bad hardware?? No thanks.

 

[MrSardonic]

Finally some good news.

David Gibbon & Woolworths = a sure recipe for reliable news

 

[WickedAngel]

+

Large March Firmware update

+

500 000 free Casino Royale Blu-ray copies

+

GDC hype

=

Success

You, just like most of Sony, forgot to factor the price into the equation. A lineup that good is going to cannibalize itself.

 

[Mana Knight]

Unfortunately, yes, they are in a good position as of now. Overpaying for outdated, crappy hardware and a stupid gaming philosophy is what has me against them, but Nfans seem to love that. So meh.

Lol. That's why I stick to PS3 and 360 (to an extent) for the most part.

I do have a GCN and enjoyed it, yes. I don't believe Nintendo should be dominant in anything, their ideas are quite stupid most of the time IMO. Petting dogs?? Base all gaming on waggling?? 2 screens for a handheld?? Overcharge for bad hardware?? No thanks.

I agree in many ways Logan.

 

[Bad_Boy]

36 games spread among a limited launch supply

boy, there is gonna be games selling like 1/2 a copy

I don't think all of them are going to be available on day one. Probably like a 1 month window or so like they did with the NA launch titles.

or are they?

 

[Wollan]

Sony just promised over 30 titles at day one the other day.

Btw, there's 28 disc/packaged games and 8 network games.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

PlayStation 3 enjoys record pre-orders

I suppose we can take their word for it, but it would be more interesting to know what the record was, and what it now stands at. The closest we get to real numbers in the story is a figure for one chain having ~30K preorders in the last week.

 

[sphinx]

I don't get it, people.

some guys here are like trying to figure out how can something go wrong with the PS3 launch in EU/UK. Something must go wrong from them to be at peace and relieved

Did sony rape your mothers or something?

I don't have the least interest in he PS3 but damn, even for me watching the stealth trolls really gets annoying with time.

 

[Haunted]

I suppose we can take their word for it, but it would be more interesting to know what the record was, and what it now stands at. The closest we get to real numbers in the story is a figure for one chain having ~30K preorders in the last week.

You just answered your own question - the PS3 absolutely annihilated the previous games console pre-order record at Woolworths, which supposedly was under ~30k.

Spoiler

I'm kidding, I dunno which record they're talking about.

 

[DarienA]

I don't get it, people.

some guys here are like trying to figure out how can something go wrong with the PS3 launch in EU/UK. Something must go wrong from them to be at peace and relieved

Did sony rape your mothers or something?

Sony ran over my dog... and then back up over him to make sure he was dead... I've declared a jihad on them!

 

[WickedAngel]

I don't get it, people.

some guys here are like trying to figure out how can something go wrong with the PS3 launch in EU/UK. Something must go wrong from them to be at peace and relieved

Did sony rape your mothers or something?

I don't have the least interest in he PS3 but damn, even for me watching the stealth trolls really gets annoying with time.

Anyone with any semblance of business sense knows why most people here would like to see Sony take a hit this generation.

When a company stays on top, they become apathetic and out of touch with their consumers. If Sony stays on top, they'll be to the gaming industry what Microsoft is to the OS industry.

 

[Mana Knight]

Anyone with any semblance of business sense knows why most people here would like to see Sony take a hit this generation.

When a company stays on top, they become apathetic and out of touch with their consumers. If Sony stays on top, they'll be to the gaming industry what Microsoft is to the OS industry.

Sony wouldn't be that bad. I'm more concerned about what MS would do if they had a monopoly in the game industry, which is part of the reason I support Sony more (I feel they've done a great job in the game industry, and gaming just wouldn't be the same without PlayStation to me).

 

[kiUNiT]

Get that cat a ****ing mouse. Jeez

 

[WickedAngel]

Sony wouldn't be that bad. I'm more concerned about what MS would do if they had a monopoly in the game industry, which is part of the reason I support Sony more (I feel they've done a great job in the game industry, and gaming just wouldn't be the same without PlayStation to me).

They're already that bad. All one has to do is wait for a press conference with one of their executives to see it; they do what they want, when they want, and don't give a shit what anyone says. It's gone from "The customer is always right" to "lolz, the customer is our bitch and you'll suck it down when we say so"

 

[Terrell]

Sony shits on Europe and they eat it up? Good show, gents.

PS4 to be released in Europe as a barbed-wire suppository CONFIRMED.

 

[Logan Cano]

They're already that bad. All one has to do is wait for a press conference with one of their executives to see it; they do what they want, when they want, and don't give a shit what anyone says. It's gone from "The customer is always right" to "lolz, the customer is our bitch and you'll suck it down when we say so"

That's completely ridiculous. A couple of PR slip ups, and suddenly they are Satan?? Look at what they are bringing, the PS3 has A LOT of value in it. They have done better than any previous generation, are offering a much more robust online system than on PS2, and for free. What else?? Oh right, they are using standard components so you can insert that 120 GB HDD if you want, buy the headset that you want and use the kb and mouse that you want.

Want more?? Well, tools and dev support is so much better on PS3 than on PS2 it's not even funny. They are acquiring and creating many more in house quality titles as well as atracting even more support than the last generation. Now all of those PC titles will also be coming to PS3 thanks to the NVidia deal. Honestly, where are they going bad??

 

[WickedAngel]

That's completely ridiculous. A couple of PR slip ups, and suddenly they are Satan?? Look at what they are bringing, the PS3 has A LOT of value in it. They have done better than any previous generation, are offering a much more robust online system than on PS2, and for free. What else?? Oh right, they are using standard components so you can insert that 120 GB HDD if you want, buy the headset that you want and use the kb and mouse that you want.

Want more?? Well, tools and dev support is so much better on PS3 than on PS2 it's not even funny. They are acquiring and creating many more in house quality titles as well as atracting even more support than the last generation. Now all of those PC titles will also be coming to PS3 thanks to the NVidia deal. Honestly, where are they going bad??

You really need to open your eyes if you think that their performance has been perfect thus far aside from a "couple of PR slip ups".

Saying the PSN is "robust" in comparison to the non-existant network of the PS2 is ridiculous; something is better than nothing, but the PSN is far from the unified system that Sony made it out to be. They laid the responsibility and costs on the developers and gave them very few guidelines to go by which is why the PSN is being so heavily criticized. It was shoe-horned in; it wasn't something that was planned or implemented very well.

Speaking of few guidelines, what in the world are you talking about in regards to their developer support? Their developer support and tools are industry-reknowned for being vague. Most of the tools they give developers aren't even in the right language. I'm amazed that anyone would try to pass their developer support off with some "Champion of the People!" nonsense.

Their in-house games are good but it isn't hard to see that they're stirring up a lot of investors' fears. The "doom and gloom" naysayers didn't come from nowhere. They overpromised, delayed a territory, promised a new number, undershipped on that, and underwhelemed a lot of supporters with the launch lineup. Bad PR is just an extension of the problem that put them here. Winding up in second place shouldn't even be a possibility after the massive success of the Playstation 2, yet here we are, faced with underwhelming software sales and an uncertain future.

Before people call trolling; he asked what got them here. The answer was a long one but it's factual.

 

[Lain]

You really need to open your eyes if you think that their performance has been perfect thus far aside from a "couple of PR slip ups".

Saying the PSN is "robust" in comparison to the non-existant network of the PS2 is ridiculous; something is better than nothing, but the PSN is far from the unified system that Sony made it out to be. They laid the responsibility and costs on the developers and gave them very few guidelines to go by which is why the PSN is being so heavily criticized. It was shoe-horned in; it wasn't something that was planned or implemented very well.

Speaking of few guidelines, what in the world are you talking about in regards to their developer support? Their developer support and tools are industry-reknowned for being vague. Most of the tools they give developers aren't even in the right language. I'm amazed that anyone would try to pass their developer support off with some "Champion of the People!" nonsense.

Their in-house games are good but it isn't hard to see that they're stirring up a lot of investors' fears. The "doom and gloom" naysayers didn't come from nowhere. They overpromised, delayed a territory, promised a new number, undershipped on that, and underwhelemed a lot of supporters with the launch lineup. Bad PR is just an extension of the problem that put them here. Winding up in second place shouldn't even be a possibility after the massive success of the Playstation 2, yet here we are, faced with underwhelming software sales and an uncertain future.

Before people call trolling; he asked what got them here. The answer was a long one but it's factual.

What that has to do with PS3 record pre-orders for some places?
I weep for you and people that keep feeding you here.

 

[WickedAngel]

What that has to do with PS3 record pre-orders for some places?
I weep for you and people that keep feeding you here.

Weep if you wish, but he asked me a direct question. He wanted to know why people aren't impressed by the pre-orders. It's been explained before; successful pre-orders do not guarantee anything for a company.

Since you're the sheriff of on-topic discussions, why didn't you call him out for the post that launched the question in the first place?

That's completely ridiculous. A couple of PR slip ups, and suddenly they are Satan?? Look at what they are bringing, the PS3 has A LOT of value in it. They have done better than any previous generation, are offering a much more robust online system than on PS2, and for free. What else?? Oh right, they are using standard components so you can insert that 120 GB HDD if you want, buy the headset that you want and use the kb and mouse that you want.

Want more?? Well, tools and dev support is so much better on PS3 than on PS2 it's not even funny. They are acquiring and creating many more in house quality titles as well as atracting even more support than the last generation. Now all of those PC titles will also be coming to PS3 thanks to the NVidia deal. Honestly, where are they going bad??

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

I'm not meaning to put a downer on the Sony parade here but my HMV (Which is a pretty big one at that and a much much larger chain for gaming than Woolies which is pathetic for them now) has been doing pre orders for over a week now and has yet to sell out. They still say that if you pre order now, you'll definatly get it for launch day, so much for demand out stripping supply.

In contrast, they got 8 Wiis in a few days ago and they sold out in about 30mins...

 

[AniHawk]

PS4 to be released in Europe as a barbed-wire suppository CONFIRMED.

That's just a one-time deal though, right?

 

[Zombie James]

You really need to open your eyes if you think that their performance has been perfect thus far aside from a "couple of PR slip ups".

Saying the PSN is "robust" in comparison to the non-existant network of the PS2 is ridiculous; something is better than nothing, but the PSN is far from the unified system that Sony made it out to be. They laid the responsibility and costs on the developers and gave them very few guidelines to go by which is why the PSN is being so heavily criticized. It was shoe-horned in; it wasn't something that was planned or implemented very well.

Speaking of few guidelines, what in the world are you talking about in regards to their developer support? Their developer support and tools are industry-reknowned for being vague. Most of the tools they give developers aren't even in the right language. I'm amazed that anyone would try to pass their developer support off with some "Champion of the People!" nonsense.

Their in-house games are good but it isn't hard to see that they're stirring up a lot of investors' fears. The "doom and gloom" naysayers didn't come from nowhere. They overpromised, delayed a territory, promised a new number, undershipped on that, and underwhelemed a lot of supporters with the launch lineup. Bad PR is just an extension of the problem that put them here. Winding up in second place shouldn't even be a possibility after the massive success of the Playstation 2, yet here we are, faced with underwhelming software sales and an uncertain future.

Before people call trolling; he asked what got them here. The answer was a long one but it's factual.

 

[Lain]

I'm not meaning to put a downer on the Sony parade here but my HMV (Which is a pretty big one at that and a much much larger chain for gaming than Woolies which is pathetic for them now) has been doing pre orders for over a week now and has yet to sell out. They still say that if you pre order now, you'll definatly get it for launch day, so much for demand out stripping supply.

In contrast, they got 8 Wiis in a few days ago and they sold out in about 30mins...

Wasn't HMV the one that had the bright idea of the PSP+PS3 pack (until they removed it)? If so i could underastand why they wouldn't have sold out pre-orders. Otherwise, sucks for Sony.